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[Valdrane78]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

The Council should have a representative from every race. I feel like this is a no-brainer.

I disagree.  If a species cannot unify itself, they have no business interfering in galaxy politics.  The Volus for example, have no unifying government so therefore cannot speak for all Volus'.  However, Humanity did unite and are working as one even though seperate nations maintain seperate governments.

So having a single, one-size-fits-all government for an entire planet (representative democracy hardly works at all in the U.S., and we're talking billions of individuals instead of a few hundred million) is the litmus test for having an effect on the galaxy?

Never said it was perfect, politics rarely are.  However, if the Volus ever did get a council seat, who is to say that council member has his entire species interests at heart instead of just his clans interest.  Mor e3problems would arise due to this than if they just united and had a single voice.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Valdrane78 wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

The Council should have a representative from every race. I feel like this is a no-brainer.

I disagree.  If a species cannot unify itself, they have no business interfering in galaxy politics.  The Volus for example, have no unifying government so therefore cannot speak for all Volus'.  However, Humanity did unite and are working as one even though seperate nations maintain seperate governments.

So having a single, one-size-fits-all government for an entire planet (representative democracy hardly works at all in the U.S., and we're talking billions of individuals instead of a few hundred million) is the litmus test for having an effect on the galaxy?

Never said it was perfect, politics rarely are.  However, if the Volus ever did get a council seat, who is to say that council member has his entire species interests at heart instead of just his clans interest.  Mor e3problems would arise due to this than if they just united and had a single voice.

Look it's really not hard - say to the Volus -"we want one of you that feel confident in representing you, Give that person the legal authority to make decisions in the name of all Volus, If you fail to do so you're not welcome on the Council, chose somebody".

And i bet you they will chose somebody.

[Paul Sedgmore]

Biotic Sage wrote...

I'm a big fan of the Asari because of their Athenian culture. They focus on self-betterment, learning and knowledge for its own sake, and art/history/music/philosophy. These are all the important questions, the ones at the crux of human existence. Getting dem dolla bills and making badass technological improvements are not relevant to the human condition. These sort of things are what we have to do out of necessity sometimes.  We need to make money because that's what is required in order to feed our families. We need to make badass tech because otherwise some fascist, militant government will take us over.

The Asari didn't know about the Reapers, so I cut them some slack here. If they knew about them, they probably wouldn't have been as complacent.

Actually the drive to make technological improvements is a big part of the human condition, humans have an innate desire to overcome are natural limitations and to do that we create technology.

As for the OP question: I think that the race having a flaw that stems from the fact that they have longer lifetimes causing them to not strive for advancement like humans do makes them more believable

[Golden Owl]

Biotic Sage wrote...

I'm a big fan of the Asari because of their Athenian culture. They focus on self-betterment, learning and knowledge for its own sake, and art/history/music/philosophy. These are all the important questions, the ones at the crux of human existence. Getting dem dolla bills and making badass technological improvements are not relevant to the human condition. These sort of things are what we have to do out of necessity sometimes.  We need to make money because that's what is required in order to feed our families. We need to make badass tech because otherwise some fascist, militant government will take us over.

The Asari didn't know about the Reapers, so I cut them some slack here. If they knew about them, they probably wouldn't have been as complacent.

I agree with you whole heartedly on bolded point Sage....Though by the same token, I also whole heartedly agree with Aethyta...The Asari are a long lived species and Art, Literature, Philosophy are all good and well and very worthy and needed endevours, but there is no balance....take a closer look at Athenian Culture, it wasn't that great....they were by and large an extremely arrogent and abusive culture also....too cloistered and pampered to have a real grasp of reality, much like we in the Western Culture Countries of today.

The Asari appear to be a very slow maturing species...100-300 years old and still a Stripper/Merc?....and I do wonder if going by the reaction to Aethyta's suggestions, if the Asari do remain fairly stunted in their growth...Consider Legion's words....'the journey being as important, if not more so, than the destination', in regards to his dialog on the Dyson Sphere and what he has to say about 'Nazzara's' comments...."by using their (Reapers) technology, we advance along lines suitable to them". By using what is already there with out the questioning as to how it became, we become complacent and become nothing more than a herd mentality species, we do not learn to think and question ourselves.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 09 septembre 2011 - 03:05 .

[Volus Warlord]

Well, they were always a weak race...

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Well, they were always a weak race...

Exterminatus?

[Sajuro]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

The Council should have a representative from every race. I feel like this is a no-brainer.

I disagree.  If a species cannot unify itself, they have no business interfering in galaxy politics.  The Volus for example, have no unifying government so therefore cannot speak for all Volus'.  However, Humanity did unite and are working as one even though seperate nations maintain seperate governments.

So having a single, one-size-fits-all government for an entire planet (representative democracy hardly works at all in the U.S., and we're talking billions of individuals instead of a few hundred million) is the litmus test for having an effect on the galaxy?

Never said it was perfect, politics rarely are.  However, if the Volus ever did get a council seat, who is to say that council member has his entire species interests at heart instead of just his clans interest.  Mor e3problems would arise due to this than if they just united and had a single voice.

Look it's really not hard - say to the Volus -"we want one of you that feel confident in representing you, Give that person the legal authority to make decisions in the name of all Volus, If you fail to do so you're not welcome on the Council, chose somebody".

And i bet you they will chose somebody.

That is completely ignoring the fact that the Volus are a client race to the Turians and if they got on the council that would effectively give the Turians two seats and upset the balance of power.
It's like the the old roman tradition of clients and patrons, the Turians can tell them what to do and in exchange the Turians protect the Volus since lets face it, the only volus capable of combat is the Biotic God.

[silentassassin264]

The Asari represent stagnation and complacency. They control the galactic economy with eezo and are content to be a cultural capital rather than advance in any other capacity. To me that is fine, but they should not have that much political power if they are content to do nothing.

[Sajuro]

silentassassin264 wrote...

The Asari represent stagnation and complacency. They control the galactic economy with eezo and are content to be a cultural capital rather than advance in any other capacity. To me that is fine, but they should not have that much political power if they are content to do nothing.

Sexy stagnation and complacency

[Quething]

If the volus attained political power equal to the turians, I don't imagine they'd stay subservient for very long. They'd certainly be likely to maintain a political alliance that would affect many votes, sure, but one imagines the three original races would maintain one as well, and humans and hanar/elcor/whoever else only got in because Shepard turned the galaxy upside-down and shook it like a snowglobe would potentially form voting allegiances as well.

No system's perfect, but a lot of that stuff balances itself out, and it would still be superior to the dictatorial obedience-without-representation bullspit of the Council as it stands.

[AquamanOS]

classic example of a long lived race that winds up not really making much progress towards anything, because for them there's always another day vs the mortals that life short lives and strive to get everything they can out of life before they die. Granted Asari aren't immortal but still.

Yeah, they seriously need to get things moving. Seems like most Asari just spend their days killing time, before starting a family and retiring. Liara opted to become a scholar and spend her days studing and the Asari thought of her as an oddball. If they were the only race in the galaxy they'd be totally screwed against the Reapers.

[Jog0907]

I wouldnt mind if only them were so slow to develop stuff, but it seems that they have even dragged other species into that state of complacency and absurd levels of patience. Also I dont think that asari commandos are that good I mean if you can train for several centuries then you better be a tank that walks.
More on-topic no I dont like them, I still think that asari are a bunch of sues (I know thats not the correct use of the term but it still expresses the idea well), oh and Liara is like MEGA sue (sorry to the people who like her, but thats my opinion)

[swenson]

Honestly, I was never all that impressed with the asari in the first place. Like every other species in the galaxy, they have their sinners and their saints, their awesome people and their lame people, their friendly doctors of archaeology and their deranged terrorist Spectres. So personally, I never put them up on a pedestal, even when the game seemed to try to. I guess I still think of them as a whole in somewhat better terms than, say, the turians or krogans (neither of which I dislike as species or individuals of those species, but both of which have fail governments... with the exception of Wrex, of course ), but individual asari aren't necessarily better or worse than anyone else.

[yfullman]

The Asari only do the merc, hooker thing in their teens...which I guess is their first 300 years haha. And they have plenty of faults but a whole lot less than all the other species. But even if the Asari had focused on technological advancement I don't think it would have amounted to much since the Reapers are MILLIONS of years ahead of the game. I do admire them for their culture, which seems to be the most open and accepting. The whole 'race of hot blue chicks who can screw anybody' thing helps too lol

[marshalleck]

Biotic Sage wrote...

I'm a big fan of the Asari because of their Athenian culture. They focus on self-betterment, learning and knowledge for its own sake, and art/history/music/philosophy. These are all the important questions, the ones at the crux of human existence. Getting dem dolla bills and making badass technological improvements are not relevant to the human condition. These sort of things are what we have to do out of necessity sometimes.  We need to make money because that's what is required in order to feed our families. We need to make badass tech because otherwise some fascist, militant government will take us over.

The Asari didn't know about the Reapers, so I cut them some slack here. If they knew about them, they probably wouldn't have been as complacent.

They've really got you drinking the kool-aid, don't they?

[RPGamer13]

Nothing can change my opinion of them, I've alwayds liked them. And the fact that they are an all female race intrigues me.

[marshalleck]

What if their "dirty secret" is that they're a parasite race that bred another sentient native species of Thessia into extinction long ago, and then took their technology to explore space? Maybe Morinth knows the truth, that the asari as a function of their parasitic reproductive nature need other species to mate with, lest they "inbreed" and produce Ardat-Yakshi? That would explain why she called herself the 'genetic destiny' of the asari. This could be something only the Matriarchs have knowledge of, and perhaps the Ardat-Yakshi themselves, which would explain why they're kept in seclusion. 

Would they be such a high & mighty moral/philosophical/cultural authority then?

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 septembre 2011 - 04:00 .

[Luigitornado]

It's just their culture. I don't really mind it.

[Ihatebadgames]

Asari are diffrent,mix in enough humans and their long view would shrink.

[marshalleck]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

Asari are diffrent,mix in enough humans and their long view would shrink.

No it wouldn't. The product of asari + any other species is 100% asari. They don't take any DNA from their mate.

[Pockles]

I like them well enough. Nobody's perfect.

[mango smoothie]

The Asari are the elves of Mass Effect they're stuck up and feel they should be in complete control. Never been a fan of them from the first and second game, and I don't think ME3 will change what I think. I don't hate them, but they are my least favorite race in Mass Effect.

Modifié par mango smoothie, 09 septembre 2011 - 04:17 .

[thesnake777]

I dont really like the asari
never trusted them on a whole
the whole thing with the pure breeds of asari in me2 was interesting but didn't change my overall opinion of them

[Kakistos_]

Regardless of the flaws listed the Asari are still the most powerful race in the galaxy. They, having significantly greater longevity see the universe in a different light and there is nothing wrong with that. The way I see it, their culture encourages individual development to produce powerful, intelligent, capable huntresses out of all of their daughters which strengthens the race as a whole.

[KotorEffect3]

They do seem a bit complacent but that could be said for the whole galaxy in general especialy the council races. But they are blue and hot and Liara is my LI and my canon Shepard will help her make more asari.

And I am still saving Thessia.