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[Dave of Canada]

I never liked the Assari, so my opinion never changed.

Edit: That was a typo but it works.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 09 septembre 2011 - 05:23 .

[thatguy212]

After Mass Effect 2 i'm a little disappointed in the asari as a race, you'd think they'd take the risk of letting a few ardat-yakshis out to use as covert operatives or something, use their domination skills to benefit their race and gain more galactic power, instead of just killing them or making them live in solitude and make wine and honey

[KotorEffect3]

thatguy212 wrote...

After Mass Effect 2 i'm a little disappointed in the asari as a race, you'd think they'd take the risk of letting a few ardat-yakshis out to use as covert operatives or something, use their domination skills to benefit their race and gain more galactic power, instead of just killing them or making them live in solitude and make wine and honey

They are arguably already the most powerful race in the galaxy they are the wealthiest, one of the longest lived, they all have biotic abilities, probably the most populous, etc...  The only reason why their military isn't stronger is because they let the Turians do the heavy lifting for them, though I think that is a mistake on their part but it allows them to invest in other areas.

[Homebound]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Matriarch Aethyta got me to thinking about this. She wanted the asari get more active in the galaxy and they "laughed the blue off her ass." They seemed quite content to waste time as mercs and strippers instead of focusing on more important things. If the asari were more aggressive with researching technology up to now, the Reapers may not have  stood a chance when they arrived. True, that is pure conjecture and I will do what BioWare allows to save their species, but what is wrong with them? Samara pointed out that the asari have a dirty little secret, a genetic defect they try to keep from the rest of the galaxy. My opinion of their species has dropped since ME1. Am I the only one that feels this way?

you know how salarians are smarter/faster/etc because their short lifespan makes them hyperactive?

its sort of like that except in reverse for the asari who r more or less practically immortal.

EDIT: asari mature/grow up slower because their life cycles are longer. imagine emotionally being a teenager for 100 or so years. probably why so many of them seem to end up as strippers. kids r idiots.

Modifié par Hellbound555, 09 septembre 2011 - 05:48 .

[Han Shot First]

Agamo45 wrote...

I think they need to be kicked off their throne. The asari and the other Council races were too blind, stubborn, and stupid to see the Reapers coming. They are obviously not fit to rule the galaxy.

The same is also true for humanity and every other civilization of the galaxy, both major & minor.

Shepard (only one human) might recognize the Reaper threat for what it is, but only because he has first hand experience with the Prothean beacons and the Reapers themselves. If some other guy or gal was chosen to be the first human Spectre, Shep would be like the rest of humanity in dismissing the Reaper rumors as a giant pile of bullsh-t.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

I'm more suspicious of them actually, after Aria's revelation about the Asari keeping the QT on a particular skill they have. After listening to that bachelor party at Eternity, well, I've to say I got a little leery of the Asari close to Shep.

[Han Shot First]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

I'm more suspicious of them actually, after Aria's revelation about the Asari keeping the QT on a particular skill they have. After listening to that bachelor party at Eternity, well, I've to say I got a little leery of the Asari close to Shep.

The chat at the bachelor party is just there for humor and it isn't suppose to be taken as 'fact.' The theory that the Asari are able to do some sort of mental shapeshifting is easily shot down. If the Asari were manipulating other species into seeing them in a form that they find most attractive, their true forms would be revealed whenever they were viewed on television or on video cam. When Shepard for example watches those Shadow Broker files, if the Asari were doing a mental mind meld on him, Aria and the reporter's lover would look different. Since they don't, we know the bachelor party chit-chat is wrong. Also, outside Chlora's Den there is a sign depicting an Asari stripper. If the Asari were truly manipulating species into seeing them in a form that they find most attractive, only the species that created that sign would recognize it.

[Leonia]

I've always been fairly neutral about the asari and don't see that changing any time soon.

If more were like Aethyta I might appreciate them a bit more.

[didymos1120]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

I'm more suspicious of them actually, after Aria's revelation about the Asari keeping the QT on a particular skill they have.

What are you talking about?  All she ever did was refer to the fact that she and her people used sex to accrue power.  It's hardly sooper sekrit that asari can be seductive.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

@Han Shot First and didymost1120, oh I'm not saying that the Asari branwashed ppl into seeing what they want to see but they could be subtly planting suggestions (easier when they're drunk or using some sort of pheromones) to view them positively. Something like what that Asari courier said on Illium regards her relationship with the Rachni Queen. And easy as pie when they get close (intimate) with others.  

[Maria Caliban]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Do you feel differently about the asari now?

No.

[Someone With Mass]

Not really. Aethyta is pretty much the only asari I find to be at least okay.

[Tonymac]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Matriarch Aethyta got me to thinking about this. She wanted the asari get more active in the galaxy and they "laughed the blue off her ass." They seemed quite content to waste time as mercs and strippers instead of focusing on more important things. If the asari were more aggressive with researching technology up to now, the Reapers may not have  stood a chance when they arrived. True, that is pure conjecture and I will do what BioWare allows to save their species, but what is wrong with them? Samara pointed out that the asari have a dirty little secret, a genetic defect they try to keep from the rest of the galaxy. My opinion of their species has dropped since ME1. Am I the only one that feels this way?

Some of the Reapers cyclical timing has to do with the fact that its nearly impossible for a race to invent the same  technologies the Reapers use.  They want us to develope along the paths they choose for us - mainly the technologies of the mass relays.  However, using these technologies blinds us to alternate routes to the same technology.  Sovereign said this in ME1.  Legion quoted him again in ME2.

The Mass Repays opened up the galaxy for spacefaring species - and allowed them to discover unbound and untold rescources.  In fact, the Mass Repays could be considered an incredible feat of engineering - especially given the fact that there is a Galaxy wide network of them.  However, Mass Relays are comprised extremely rare and yet massive Eezo cores.  The cost to build even ONE such relay would be prohibitive - remember arrival when Dr. Amanda Kenson said that they are the most powerful mass effect engines in the known galaxy?  Even the one the Protheans built - the Conduit could only move a relatively small amount of mass.  The Mass Relays the Reapers built are far more powerful, and can move entire fleets - even fleets of Reapers .....   and remember that Reapers dwarf Dreadnaughts.  The point here is that we do not have the rescources readily available to build a new Mass Relay network.  This is why people laugh at the idea to build a new MR network - there already is one in place and it works fine!  Why spend Mega trillions of creds to replace something that works?

As far as the Asari haveing a 'genetic' defect - I will say that the defect only shows up on rare occassions - there were only 3 in existence - and the current population of the Ardakt Yakshi is only 2 or 3 in the whole known Galaxy
depending on your decisions as to kill or recruit Morinth.  Take humans - where cancer can be seen as a 'defect' of sorts - as unfortunate and horrible as it is.  A lot of new ways we are looking at fighting cancers have to do with gene therapy.  Granted, we do not even know why cancer occurs, but many types seem to be passed down or as a random happening because of genes.  You will find more humans with genetic abnormalities or what is perceived as 'genetic defects' than you will find Asari that are 'demon of the night winds'.  In fact, given the rarity of these Asari with the defect, I would say that it should be of very little import or concern considering how many Asari there are.

I feel no different about the Asari from how I did in ME1.  They are an extremely interesting species with a prominent seat on the council - and I feel that they are a big part of the Galactic community.  They are the mediators - the glue that tries to hold us all together.  Given their obvious intelligence and long lifespans, their ability to meld with other species, and considerable biotic powers - I find them to be an amazing and inventive part of the ME universe.

[LordNige]

I've always seen the three council races as Scientific (Salarian), Militaristic (Turian) and Cultural (Asari). Within that remit I think the Asari are more than useful.

[ddv.rsa]

Biotic Sage wrote...

The Council should have a representative from every race. I feel like this is a no-brainer.

And it's also a no-brainer that every nation should have a permanent seat on the UN Security Council.

[paul165]

For me the thing everyone complains about - the asari inertia and passive approach to well - everything makes them ideal members of the council. If only to control the significantly more aggressive (human, turian) and dynamic (salarian and human again) races. If they were more active you wouldn't have a Citadel Council you would have an Asari Empire - forever.

Should they be making all decisions for the galaxy? No but they themselves acknowledged that by creating the council and allowing the opinions of other more dynamic races.

tl;dr for me the asari are the safety valve in Council politics remove them you get a lot more wars and a lot fewer trade agreements.

[Undertone]

Asari are useless - stagnant and complacent. The only thing that is worth about them is their biotic potential, which I'm certain humanity will overcome eventually.

[GodWood]

I've always hated the asari.

[Reever]

Biotic Sage wrote...

I'm a big fan of the Asari because of their Athenian culture. They focus on self-betterment, learning and knowledge for its own sake, and art/history/music/philosophy. These are all the important questions, the ones at the crux of human existence. Getting dem dolla bills and making badass technological improvements are not relevant to the human condition. These sort of things are what we have to do out of necessity sometimes.  We need to make money because that's what is required in order to feed our families. We need to make badass tech because otherwise some fascist, militant government will take us over.

The Asari didn't know about the Reapers, so I cut them some slack here. If they knew about them, they probably wouldn't have been as complacent.

I actually pretty much agree with your this (apart from the "big fan" - I just like em ).
Thing is, complacency kills you. And I mean, come on, nobody EVER studied the freakin Citadel with them Keepers? I wouldn´t really go to a place I don´t understand build my galactic government on it...

You have a point with the Reapers, but after the Rachni wars they could´ve woken up a bit and done something...
Anyway, who knows what kind of surprises they have in store in ME3?

[elarem]

No, I don't like or trust the Asari in general and doubt that I ever will.

Even though I appreciate Matriarch Aethyta and Aria I still wouldn't trust them not to stab Shepard in the back. Mind you that goes for any living being - "Trust no one" - Shepard has learnt that lesson well. (All my Shepards have issues!)

[mineralica]

The race of blue space babes who can seduce everyone, have blue kids with everyone, live for 1000 years but spend youth as hookers and just happened to look almost exactly like blue-skinned human female? And the wealthiest, the most cultural and having the biggest battle ship, in addition to that?

You know, Ardath-Yakshi thing changed my mind about them. They became less Mary Sue-ish, so I've started to like them more.

[Chewin]

Their just so boring IMO. Too perfect.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

The asari are the best race in the galaxy. Period. Even the best of humanity fails against the worst of asari.

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 09 septembre 2011 - 12:41 .

[Aeowyn]

I've always disliked the asari, so no, nothing has changed.

[ddv.rsa]

elarem wrote...

No, I don't like or trust the Asari in general and doubt that I ever will.

Even though I appreciate Matriarch Aethyta and Aria I still wouldn't trust them not to stab Shepard in the back. Mind you that goes for any living being - "Trust no one" - Shepard has learnt that lesson well. (All my Shepards have issues!)

As with all races not all are trustworthy. Matriarch Aethyta is just a shebeen queen that probably no one can rely on. Aria is major crime boss so of course she'd double cross you the second it suited her. But then you've got Liara, who I doubt would ever betray Shepard.