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[tonnactus]

OmegaXI wrote...

I thought the Asari stopped it because a war between the Turians would have made council space unstable (Turians fighting humans would mean the turians could not continue their 'peace keeping" responsiblities in their terroritory or council space) and the fact that the Turians commited an aggressive action against an unknown race without the approval of the council.

Only the volus need the turians for military. There was no actual threat at that time asari and salarians were unable to handle by their own. And the damage humans would do to the turian fleet, it would have been not significant anyway.

[Sajuro]

firefireblow wrote...

The asari also have been dumbed down in ME2.

In ME1 Liara kept on saying how they are monogendered there is no him/her in their cluture, yet we have Samara keep on saying her and her daughters. So I have to agree somewhat, they made me feel a little different.

I would take that as the translator Shepard has changing it from 'children' to 'daughters' for ease of understanding.

[tonnactus]

firefireblow wrote...

The asari also have been dumbed down in ME2.

In ME1 Liara kept on saying how they are monogendered there is no him/her in their cluture, yet we have Samara keep on saying her and her daughters. So I have to agree somewhat, they made me feel a little different.

I think this is just convinience in smart talk.

[marshalleck]

Sajuro wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

And dont forget,asari haters: Without them the turians maybee have bombed earth into stoneage in the first contact war. And they made the turians pay reparations.

believe me, that has been brought up before and the argument goes 'humans would have defeated all of the aliens, the Asari only stopped them because they were afraid of us!'

I don't think I've ever seen anyone make that argument actually, you're just indulging your innate need to self-hate for whatever reason. 

Most everyone acknowledges that the First Contact War, had it actually involved full mobilization of turian and human fleets, would not have ended well for humanity but it would not have been a simple smash-and-grab for the turians either. It would have resulted in vast amounts of destruction throughout Citadel space.

In the ME2 forum when discussing the council and whether or not they have ever done anything for humanity, May not be the exact quote by it has been argued as such that the Council ending the first contact war was purely self serving because humans are awesome.

Sounds like you're probably just not understanding what was said, so you substituted something of your own as an aid to comprehension, which led you to an incorrect conclusion about what other people think. 

[firefireblow]

Sajuro wrote...

firefireblow wrote...

The asari also have been dumbed down in ME2.

In ME1 Liara kept on saying how they are monogendered there is no him/her in their cluture, yet we have Samara keep on saying her and her daughters. So I have to agree somewhat, they made me feel a little different.

I would take that as the translator Shepard has changing it from 'children' to 'daughters' for ease of understanding.

But with that they have completely reduced their cluture to human means. By reducing it, you have striped them of what made them unique.

[tonnactus]

TobyHasEyes wrote...


 I am sure that in ME1 there is a human stripper in one of the clubs

Not only that, the asari consort also had a human "acolyte" in her place.

Modifié par tonnactus, 13 septembre 2011 - 03:51 .

[firefireblow]

Strippers are by choice not just by race. If some asari want to be stripers they can be by choice. So can Humans, turians, salarians, and all races. It's by choice. Yes some of those would not be viewed as often, so the clubs go with what are good for business. that is Asari.

Modifié par firefireblow, 13 septembre 2011 - 03:48 .

[marshalleck]

firefireblow wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

firefireblow wrote...

The asari also have been dumbed down in ME2.

In ME1 Liara kept on saying how they are monogendered there is no him/her in their cluture, yet we have Samara keep on saying her and her daughters. So I have to agree somewhat, they made me feel a little different.

I would take that as the translator Shepard has changing it from 'children' to 'daughters' for ease of understanding.

But with that they have completely reduced their cluture to human means. By reducing it, you have striped them of what made them unique.

You have no argument here. You used the word monogendered. Let's break that down. Mono: one, singular. Gender: male or female. In the case of asari, female. So by calling them monogendered, you're saying they're all female. So given that this is the case, why would you take issue with Samarra referring to her offspring as daughters? Especially when the three main phases of asari development also have feminine titles: maiden, matron, matriarch? 

Any "dumbing down" here is not on Bioware's part. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 13 septembre 2011 - 03:50 .

[Sajuro]

firefireblow wrote...

Strippers are by choice not just by race. If some asari want to be stripers they can be by choice. So can Humans, turians, salarians, and all races. It's by choice. Yes some of those would not be viewed as often, so the clubs go with what are good for business. that is Asari.

calling for a volus poll dancer!

[lovgreno]

marshalleck wrote...I don't think I've ever seen anyone make that argument actually, you're just indulging your innate need to self-hate for whatever reason.

Self hate? The aliens and humans in ME are fictional and thus they have little in common with real humans and possible aliens. But if you need to resort to insults and using a fictional game to claim superiority I guess that is your right.

[firefireblow]

marshalleck wrote...

You have no argument here. You used the word monogendered. Let's break that down. Mono: one, singular. Gender: male or female. In the case of asari, female. So by calling them monogendered, you're saying they're all female. So given that this is the case, why would you take issue with Samarra referring to her offspring as daughters? Especially when the three main phases of asari development also have feminine titles: maiden, matron, matriarch? 

Any "dumbing down" here is not on Bioware's part. 

I see your viewpoint, Sir, but if you remember from ME1 Liara points out alot there is NO HIM/HER so there is no male/female. It is only them they have maternal instincts. So they appear motherly, and thus called them by females titles.

Modifié par firefireblow, 13 septembre 2011 - 04:09 .

[OmegaXI]

tonnactus wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

I thought the Asari stopped it because a war between the Turians would have made council space unstable (Turians fighting humans would mean the turians could not continue their 'peace keeping" responsiblities in their terroritory or council space) and the fact that the Turians commited an aggressive action against an unknown race without the approval of the council.

Only the volus need the turians for military. There was no actual threat at that time asari and salarians were unable to handle by their own. And the damage humans would do to the turian fleet, it would have been not significant anyway.

I have to disagree with you because theres the Krogan DMZ which the turians are in charge of and there are the patrols they have to do to keep pirates and slaves raids away from turian and council colonies and shipping lanes,
 
codex :By 900 CE, the turians were granted full membership on the Citadel Council in gratitude for their service during the Krogan Rebellions. The turian military fills the military and peacekeeping niche left by the decimated krogan.
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Turians




also the turians need their fleet to keep some of their more rebellious colonies in check as shown in Cerberus daily news: http://masseffect.wi...News_-_May_2010

The turians were also having problems with logistics and resuppling:
The turians - who were also suffering logistical problems, as they had to ship in all their food - believed they had defeated the bulk of the enemy forces. But they would be proven wrong when a month later Admiral Kastanie Drescher led the Second Fleet against Shanxi, catching the turians by surprise and evicting them from the planet. The turians and humans prepared for full-scale interplanetary war, drawing the notice of the rest of the galaxy. http://masseffect.wi...ay_314_Incident

So the Turians could not fight humans and do all these other things at the same time with out suffering mounting loses somewhere. That and the Turians are not as unified as many people seem to think. With both sides Humans and Turians gearing up for full scale war would have left council space very unstable from an economic and military stand point.

Modifié par OmegaXI, 13 septembre 2011 - 07:06 .

[Blacklash93]

firefireblow wrote...

I see your viewpoint, Sir, but if you remember from ME1 Liara points out alot there is NO HIM/HER so there is no male/female. It is only them they have maternal instincts. So they appear motherly, and thus called them by females titles.

They're female. Read the codex.

Gender has no inherent meaning to them becuase there's only one sex in their culture. Everyone is the same, so why would they define themselves under things like that?

Modifié par Blacklash93, 14 septembre 2011 - 01:39 .

[BlueMagitek]

I am a tad peeved with the Asari. Just giving up their dreadnaught building capacities after losing one? Seriously?

[Ahglock]

They are still blue tentacle head space elves, so I still have the same negative opinion of them as before.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

I think they need to be kicked off their throne. The asari and the other Council races were too blind, stubborn, and stupid to see the Reapers coming. They are obviously not fit to rule the galaxy.

I can't disagree with this.

The Asari coucilor has been the most understanding councilor of Shepard this entire time! What are you people smoking?

Asari Councilor: "We believe that you believe the Reaper theory commander."

In ME1 the Asari Councilor shuts up the Turian Councilor when he is about to object to Shep becoming a Spectre.

The Asari take their time to think about things... its in their nature just because of their long lifespans. The Salarian Councilor is understandably skeptical of Sheps claims because Salarians tend to think of all reasons and outcomes for all situations. There is just too much going on inside of his head for him to just believe Shep. The Turian Councilor is a tool. It is clear that he does not like humans... more than likely because of the "First Contact War" or "Relay 314 Incident" as they call it.

Just because they have a different culture does not mean they are all bad. I was involved in the "why hate Batarians" thread for a while until it turned into a flame war. I generally dont like the Batarians because they condone slavery. I dont think that means all Batarians are bad. The Batarian system of government needs to collapse but not their species. If I can convince a few Batarians that Humans are capable of good that is good enough for me.

Femenists claim to hate the Asari because of their promiscuity, the fact that it seems that Asari were created to satisfy the fantasies of space nerds. In fact the writers provided an all female culture is described as strong, wise, learned, and beautifull. This entire thread shows that Asari are not ignored or mocked by the community which is another thing femenists strive for. Its confuses me how some femenists despise the Asari so much yet they are the embodyment of everything they want for themselves.

As far as the whole Asari promiscuity thing. Women have urges too. Its just that since there are no males in the Asari race the sex drive had to evolve to be more aggresive in all Asari just so that their race and culture can exist.

Bottom line it is easy to point fingers and stereotype... it is harder to see that all racs have their negative memebers. So should I hate Turians because of the Turian Councilor treating Shep like mud, Saren trying to destroy life as we know it, or the fact that turians that dont fit in with their own militaristic society join the Blue Suns? No. Garrus is an amazing example of the nobility and honor the Turians embody. Just as Liara is an exceptional example that Asari are warm, considerate, patient, caring, and that not all of them are uber-permiscuous.

Just gonna repeat my self because I can.

[tonnactus]

OmegaXI wrote...



I have to disagree with you because theres the Krogan DMZ which the turians are in charge of and there are the patrols they have to do to keep pirates and slaves raids away from turian and council colonies and shipping lanes,
 
codex :By 900 CE, the turians were granted full membership on the Citadel Council in gratitude for their service during the Krogan Rebellions. The turian military fills the military and peacekeeping niche left by the decimated krogan.
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Turians

That doesnt actually mean that they do this for the whole galaxy. Just that they cover the regions that the krogans were responsible for in the past.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Nope. I still like them.

[Last Vizard]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Matriarch Aethyta got me to thinking about this. She wanted the asari get more active in the galaxy and they "laughed the blue off her ass." They seemed quite content to waste time as mercs and strippers instead of focusing on more important things. If the asari were more aggressive with researching technology up to now, the Reapers may not have  stood a chance when they arrived. True, that is pure conjecture and I will do what BioWare allows to save their species, but what is wrong with them? Samara pointed out that the asari have a dirty little secret, a genetic defect they try to keep from the rest of the galaxy. My opinion of their species has dropped since ME1. Am I the only one that feels this way?

hahahaha the Asari are just strippers and matriarchs are just too old to dance so they spent a couple hundred years reading books....