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 Personally, I'd love to see an expansion that details the events immediately after the mage rebellion and the events that lead to Hawke having to depart Kirkwall and why the others had to part ways as well.  DA3 being underway in a few years, and how in PAX they pretty much said that there's no expansion so far just DLC, I am thinking we won't see what happens until future titles.

That said, here's what I think will be when you next see the DA2 companions:

Fenris - will become a templar of sorts who has no real love of the chantry but is still a valued member for his ability and willingness to hunt and kill apostates.  Ironically he becomes a sort of a slaver to circle mages.

Anders (if left alive) - is the most wanted man across Thedas.  He is a very high ranking leader of mage rebels.  He gets another cat.  I don't know where it can go, but I see many things that clash with Wynne.  They are near opposites of each other.  Anders is a young apostate and Wynne is an elderly circle mage.  Wynne is happily of the circle while the circle is everything Anders stands against.  Wynne was saved from death by a fade spirit who had entered her body while Anders saved a spirit from death by allowing it to enter his body.  In Awakenings, Wynne talks of being paragons of mages to prove to the world that mages can be trusted, giving a slow gradual change to the world while Anders demands immediate and drastic action.  They are on opposite sides on a matter yet somehow I'm sure their paths will cross.

Isabela - more or less back to her old ways with a ship.  Perhaps a pirate with a strong moral code now.  A Robin Hood of the seas of sorts.

Merrill - learns of Morrigan and her research of Eluvians.  She becomes a disciple of Morrigan despite her reverence to Flemeth.  Morrigan can't stand her but respects Merrill's knowledge of Blood Magic.  I don't know how Flemeth got such reverence from the Dalish tribes but I imagine Morrigan will do much the same herself which may polarize the Dalish as a whole.  I think this is a good match as Merrill and Morrigan both have had similar relations with a surrogate mother and similarly both cast out to join the protagonists in both games by their mothers.  Also very similarly, both Merrill and Morrigan return to their mothers seeking one of their belongings.  Even further, both run into difficulty making friends.  Merrill often treated with reproach by others for being what she is (clumsy minded, apostate, blood mage, or even just for being Daelish) while Morrigan, being who she is, treats others with reproach.  In many ways they are one and the same.

Aveline - Returns to the Fereldan army under the new King.  Rises ranks very rapidly and becomes a trusted General.  She leads many campaigns against Orlesian attacks.  This may clash against her Orlesian heritage despite her "this is now" personality.

Varric - Becomes a world famous author.  You will see many of his books scattered about future codices.  

Sebastian - His last moments in Kirkwall have affected him drastically, changing his very patient and understanding demeanor to a more uncompromising one.  Starkhaven, under his rule becomes a new Kirkwall when it was under the rule of the late Meredith.  He is a strong supporter of the Chantry and supports the Templars in any way he can.  Perhaps has recruited Fenris to lead his templars and has posted a king's ransom for the leader of the mage rebels (Anders if alive).  I actually think Sebastian will very likely be someone you will clash with in future stories.  Likely will lead his Starkhaven forces into Kirkwall (even if Anders is executed) under the name of the Chantry to restore order back to Kirkwall and bring all mages to the gallows where they belong.

Anyways, those are my predictions.  Thoughts?  Your predictions?

Modifié par Asianwaste, 09 septembre 2011 - 08:05 .


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  • Anders. Will be killed by Sebastian.  And why else Seb was alive?
  • Aveline. PC from DA 3 will be her child.
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I always figured that once the companions parted ways with the Champion, they went into hiding. We see Varric get dragged in for interrogation - I'm sure the other companions are on the Seekers' watch list, since they may possibly know the Champion's whereabouts. So my answer to your question is that they have all dispersed and are laying low, trying to blend into their respective surroundings.

I think of all of the companions, Isabela might have the best chance at living a "normal" life - with normal being that little would change in her lifestyle. With the fastest ship on the seas in her possession, she could pretty much rule the ocean and find freedom in that regard. She may be on the run, but she'll prove a formidable force to any who attempt to capture her. I like your Robin Hood idea - I think that is definitely where she is leaning. Perhaps she'll take it upon herself to vanquish the slave trade in Kirkwall.

I see Aveline and Donnic finding some small town to tuck themselves away in, and eventually they will, inadvertantly, become it's police force or some part of the village government. They'll keep order, but it will be on that small scale. I don't think they'll put themselves in any limelight. They'll just do right by their new home and the new citizenship they are a part of.

Merrill would continue her quest to restore Dalish history. Whether or not its through the Eluvian, I'm not sure. But I see her as a wandering wise woman of sorts - following trails and clues to unravel various mysteries, but keeping to the forests and the shadows so as not to draw attention. I see some sadness in this life, maybe something bittersweet, because she belongs in the sun, amongst friends, with bunnies and rainbows and the like. Yet her own status with her clan (if it lives) and being a fugitive of sorts from Kirkwall would force her to remain aloof.

As for Varric - well, I think you have the right of it. The Seekers know where he is, and will keep an eye on him, so he'll amuse himself with his writings and various dealings. But I think he's the central point of contact of the Champion network - he knows where Hawke is, he knows how to reach the Champion if need be. So he'll keep watch and wait, and assess how the environment is before he makes a move, in any direction.

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I doubt we'll ever get to know that, there are too many variables.

Anders, Merrill and Fenris can die, you can turn on Fenris and Isabela, both those you might never recruit too. Aveline can drop you but she can't die and Varric is just Varric. Sebastian goes to Starkhaven regardless of friendship/rivalry. With the Kirkwall chantry destroyed and Anders possibly on the loose he has nowhere else to turn to.

Your sibling can be dead or Warden/Gallows, personally i hope they will become a companion for a new protagonist in DA:3..

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Knight of Dane wrote...
Your sibling can be dead or Warden/Gallows, personally i hope they will become a companion for a new protagonist in DA:3..

Yeah, me too, but that would be a nightmare. All things being equal (which they aren't), you'd still need 6 different Bethanys (or is that Bethanies?) and Carvers. But man, would I love to have Carver in a sequel.

But yeah, they've effectively prevented DA2 companion reappearances in DA3. Each of them has a lot of things that can happen to them, and I don't think BioWare is going to risk "But they were dead in my game! How many times do I have to kill this guy?" again.

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Anders came back, and while he doesn't have as many variables as them in Awakening they still pulled a U-turn on his personality.

As of yet we have no idea what to expect from a new Dragon Age game, but i can't se the trouble of having them back.
Keep a open slot for them in the party, if they are dead then that slot is just empty. They can be Circle/Warden Templar/warden, this could do for some great replayability if they had a personal quest or two in each direction.

Also they could be set on one side of the conflict by being Templar/Circle or be neutral as Wardens.

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Knight of Dane wrote...

I doubt we'll ever get to know that, there are too many variables.

Anders, Merrill and Fenris can die, you can turn on Fenris and Isabela, both those you might never recruit too. Aveline can drop you but she can't die and Varric is just Varric. Sebastian goes to Starkhaven regardless of friendship/rivalry. With the Kirkwall chantry destroyed and Anders possibly on the loose he has nowhere else to turn to.

Your sibling can be dead or Warden/Gallows, personally i hope they will become a companion for a new protagonist in DA:3..


They effectively wrote around the possible deaths of Anders and Lelianna.  They will likely do it again.  I think if there is ever going to be an Amelle/Hawke to be recruited as a companion, my money will probably be on Charade.  They wouldn't have established her as a capable fighter otherwise.

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Charade? You've got to be kiddin me. Of all the various twigs on the Hawke/Amell family tree, she'd be the last one I'd want in my adventuring party. I'd much rather take Gamlen. She's just so bland.

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Charade is Dragon Age's Oriana (Just in Hawke's family instead of Miranda's), she's just there to be there.

But then again, so were Merrill in the first DA game...

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"Charade? You've got to be kiddin me. Of all the various twigs on the Hawke/Amell family tree, she'd be the last one I'd want in my adventuring party. I'd much rather take Gamlen. She's just so bland.
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Yes, but they brought Oghren back in Awakenings.  Of all the original characters he was the one I least wanted to see revived.  There is a good chance we may see Charade again.:(

Modifié par Thistle1962, 10 septembre 2011 - 01:25 .


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What do you base that conclusion on?

Besides, Oghren was far from bland in DA:O it doesn't matter how much you like him, he had alot of development, if not the most aside from the love interests.

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Besides, Oghren is the ****. I have absolutely zero idea how anyone could not love him. He's like, that awesomely dirty-minded motorcycle ridin' uncle that's still full of enough awesome to have all the drunkenness be totally excusable.

In fact I totally have an uncle like that. Mind you the drunkenness has gone in the passing of time, but he's no less awesome and still rambles and tells the best dirty jokes. And still rides and builds motorcycles at almost 60. Because he's just that effing awesome.

Yep, uncle Oghren.

Wait, what were we talking about?

Modifié par Heidenreich, 10 septembre 2011 - 01:00 .


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Really my guess on Charade is based on a simple inference that they really didn't have to establish her as someone who can fight unless they intended for her to fight (other than the one fight she was involved in which in all reality you didn't really need her help at all). The story of Uncle Gamlen could have flowed the exact same had they had her be a harmless bystander who was biting off more than she can chew. The first time I ran that quest, I kept telling myself, "Cool a character in a sequel."

Anyways, if I know Bioware at all, she is bland now because she is currently an ancillary character but that of course can change once you give her a story and setting she can deeply involve herself in and a whole look and personality makeover (See Merrill DA:O).

Modifié par Asianwaste, 10 septembre 2011 - 09:47 .


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We shall see i guess :)

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I actually like the idea of Charade as a companion, particularly a LI. There didn't seem much to her because we only saw her briefly but there has to be great potential for a back story given the number of years she and her mother lived alone. There is the story behind finding the gem - which allegedly was real. And she struck me as someone who likes a bit of gossip and so probably can come up with quite a few good stories. She could well be used as a link to DA2 by giving information on what became of Hawke/companions from earlier story. More importantly she seemed sane. If that makes her bland - then I'll settle for bland but then you know the old adage "still waters run deep" - I reckon there's a lot more to her than is immediately apparent.

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I've never liked that saying. For one thing, it reverses the cause and effect. It is more accurate to say that deep waters are still. And so are stagnant puddles. Charade strikes me as the latter.

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We honestly don't know enough of Charade for me to have and opinion for or against her...

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Sebastian - Will promptly be stabbed, as should have happened at the end of DA2, for being a self-righteous **** and threatening mah man

Asianwaste wrote...
I don't know how Flemeth got such reverence from the Dalish tribes but I imagine Morrigan will do much the same herself which may polarize the Dalish as a whole.

I always assumed it was less reverence and more...cautious respect - like what most people feel towards fire, I guess - which, presumably, one gets by making those she meets wind up in little pieces...hanging from the trees.

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More importantly she seemed sane

Well, in that case, she's definitely out of the question Posted Image

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Fenris? A Templar? Maybe in the "killing-mages-at-random" way, but that broody little git would never settle for being controlled by the Chantry, and I'll give him that much.


Anders is probably a little psycho to be accepted as a leader to anybody but blood mages. And somehow I doubt he'll be looking for that role.


Merrill as a... Disciple of Morrighan's?! Look, for one thing, Flemeth has been around for ages, probably longer than the Dalish have organized history of, so she gets the same sort of revered treatment as their gods; Except she does occasionally swoop in and murder a few dozen people. Morrighan does not have this, ah, standing. Plus, isn't it Canon that she's now dwelling somewhere on the other side of an Eluvian now anyways?

As for them being alike... Both apostates, both have... Mother figures (very different types...), both socially awkward (in different ways), I suppose you could count those. However one is rather cruel minded and cynical, whereas the other is kindminded and optomistic, most of the time. I'll not delve into even more differences, they're obvious enough.

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Asianwaste wrote...

Fenris - will become a templar of sorts who has no real love of the chantry but is still a valued member for his ability and willingness to hunt and kill apostates.  Ironically he becomes a sort of a slaver to circle mages.


After he helped me defend the Circle, killing dozens of templars in the process, I doubt that the templars would be willing to let him join them.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

Asianwaste wrote...

Fenris - will become a templar of sorts who has no real love of the chantry but is still a valued member for his ability and willingness to hunt and kill apostates.  Ironically he becomes a sort of a slaver to circle mages.


After he helped me defend the Circle, killing dozens of templars in the process, I doubt that the templars would be willing to let him join them.


It pretty much goes in tandem with my prediction that Sebastian will go ape**** against the mages of Kirkwall.  When it comes to mage hatred, Fenris will probably still go unparallelled.  I imagine Sebastian will walk out of Kirkwall a less benevolent man after the destruction of the chantry.  Fenris, IMO would be a drastic answer for the templars of the Free Marches for a very drastic time.

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Fenris has now seen how much good mages can do with their power. Does that mean he'll give them freedom? No, he'll just force the mages who survive to work for his cause. He'll create an army of mage slaves to attack Tevinter but while there find a group of mages' way to get extreme power and takes it. It was a trick and now Fenris has lost his free will and is aiding the mages with their battle against the qunari and seekers.

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Aveline: Forms a support group for the widows of templars.

Sebastian: After waiting 5 years for someone to answer his notice on the Chanters board about raising a giant army to raze Kirkwall to the ground, joins the Seekers after hearing they are looking for the Warden, who can pull entire armies out of their ass.

Merril: Becomes possesed by a sloth demon and decides to give up on repairing the eluvian because its too much work. Now sits around Darktown panhandling for change to 40 ouncers of Mickeys malt Liquor.

Fenris: After word gets out that not only does he hate mages, but he's also made of lyrium, Fenris has to flee Kirkwall because he has suddenly been bombarded with marriage proposals from lovesick templars who want to snort him. Ends up moving to Par Vollen, where he sits sipping margharitas while enjoying the sight of mutilated mages on leashes juggling grenades.

Isabella: Ends up in Avernus' lab, as word of her remarkable resistance to every known veneral disease in Thedas has reached his ears, and somehow, he thinks the answer to the Taint could be Isabella herself.

Carver: Ends up getting stationed at Vigil's keep with Oghren now promoted to Warden Commander of Ferelden. Ends up an incoherent drunk, and still blames Hawke for living in their shadow. Liver ends up exploding from Oghren's special brew before the Taint can kill him.

Anders: After blowing up the rest of Kirkwall, half of Val Royaeux, and a few templars here and there, he is reunited with Ser Pounce-a-Lot. Deciding that his busy bombing schedual will conflict with the Pounce's scratchies and cuddle-time, he gives up on the revolution, moves to Rivain, where he is revered as a holy mad man, and a feline cult is created around him.

Varric: After BSing Casandra and getting her to leave, decides to split from Kirkwall before Anders shows up to finish it off. And hopefully, will show up in a future game. :wub:

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So Skadi should definitely write the wrap-up DLC.