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[higgi-1988]

hello all first post on these forums, was wondering why no NPC/party member cares about me using bloodmagic in DAO or DA2? I would have thought that atleast some of my party members would atleast have took offence to it.

[Avilia]

Game mechanics I think. There is removed content in Origins where Wynne would inform on you to Greagoir. One of the consequences could be that the Circle quest couldn't be completed, thus breaking the game.

I think your companions etc noticing you're a blood mage was just too difficult to include in the story and so it gets handwaved.

(And welcome to BSN )

[Chewin]

The reason no one reacts to you being a blood mage if you choose to be, is because the programmers decide on the specialization trees, after all the writing and dialogue is done. So while the writers want to create reactions, they can’t if they don’t know if Blood Magic is an option. It would have been a huge ordeal to go back and add a bunch of references. They could have written lines “just in case".

Still, it's a pretty poor explanation IMO.

[Arthur Cousland]

This is an outrage! The templars should drag my blood mage Hawke in chains to the circle, make him tranquil and lock him in his cell for all of eternity, all in the name of realism.

[higgi-1988]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

This is an outrage! The templars should drag my blood mage Hawke in chains to the circle, make him tranquil and lock him in his cell for all of eternity, all in the name of realism.

perhaps not as extreme as that lol, but carver, fenris, aveline hate mages even anders hates the use of blood magic i expected these charaters to look down on me using it.

it gets built up as the most evil of evils in DA2 but their are no repercussions for actually being a blood mage.

btw sorry for posting it here, i had no idea where to actually post something like this.

[Arthur Cousland]

I don't think Aveline hates mages, she just sees them as dangerous and doesn't trust them. Fenris is the one who hates them.

Yes, those mentioned are the anti-mage companions of the group, and yet they repeatedly help you protect mages and fight the templars. Even Anders can help you kill off the mages in the end (his motive is a cop-out).

Perhaps Bioware could have any nearby templars to hostile if they see you using blood magic or lose disapproval with companions if they see you using it.

If Bioware did "punish" players for using blood magic, then I wouldn't be surprised to see people complaining on the forums about how they are penalized for using the specialization. It would add to the realism though, as blood mages are typically outcasts, unless they are around other blood mages.

Bioware would really have to plan ahead for this, and if blood mages got all of this attention, then every specialization would need it's own time in the spotlight or blood mages would seem like the "favored child" of the series.

Modifié par Arthur Cousland, 09 septembre 2011 - 03:23 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

This is an outrage! The templars should drag my blood mage Hawke in chains to the circle, make him tranquil and lock him in his cell for all of eternity, all in the name of realism.

They should at least try to do so, in the name of realism. Not sit there asking if I've seen any dangerous apostates while I'm on my way to help a bunch of apostates escape, as I'm in the middle of stabbing myself and raising the dead in front of him while I'm in the process of getting ambushed by more ninja waves.

[Heather Cline]

There was supposed to be according to the game developers reactions and stuff to you using blood magic as a specialization in DA2 but it got cut due to time constraints. DA2 was rushed which is why it is what it is.

In DA:O if you took the Blood Mage Specialization before you completed the Circle Quest, Wynne will not join your party after the quest is over. I think she in fact attacks you because of it or something. I'm not sure because I never played my mage from the circle that way. There are some reactions in DA:O but they aren't party banter based.

Also in DA:O Wynne is the only party member to have such a scene in the game. Morrigan would be all for blood magic if used properly. Alistair is a Grey Warden and as such knows that all kinds of magic are used. Leliana she probably would have something to say but wouldn't put up too much of a fuss. Shale wouldn't give a damned either way. Zevran is a practical sort of companion and wouldn't give a damn. Ohgren is a dwarf, he doesn't give a damned about magic. Sten would probably have some strong opinions of your warden mage being a blood magic user but never got included I guess.

Just some conclusions I've come to. I believe if DA2 had not been rushed there might have been some reactions to a Blood mage Hawke but alas the game was rushed so it wasn't really completed as we all had hoped for.

Still a good game though. As for realism... we don't need realism in everything we play or watch. It can at times take away from the experience in and of itself. Just my opinion.

[BubbleDncr]

Yea, I think the explanation Chewin3 said the developers gave is weak. Blood Mage has been a specialization in both games, so, they should have been prepared for it.

All I want is for my companions to recognize that I'm a blood mage. I don't care if no one else in the game does, but my companions, who spend so much time with me, should know - even if its only brought up in one conversation the entire game, or if you get +5 to rivalary from everyone except Merrill, who gives you +4 to friendship.

It's the one thing that breaks total immersion for me.

[Nationalcity1]

I just posted basically the same thing in another thread. They need to check into making these things more realistic. I also posted besides just blood magic, I think if you have a templar in your party with a mage companion there should be something said about that also. It would at least be funny just to see the bickering of why are you bringing him/her and such.

I wouldn't even really care about the +/- to friend or rivalry as long as they acknowledge what your doing. I mean every mage practically in dragon age 2 besides a handful were blood mage's and barely anyone batted an eyelash.

Modifié par Nationalcity1, 09 septembre 2011 - 06:17 .

[Mike 9987]

The only reference to hawke being a blood mage within the game so far is the part when your complanion/sibling is kidnapped. At the end of the whole thing, if you are a blood mage, you can use blood magic to revive the companion who is in a "koma" via a dialogue choice instead of the kidnapper doing the reviving. It results in Hawke cutting his wrist in a cutscene and the companion is revived.

Modifié par Mike 9987, 09 septembre 2011 - 07:05 .

[esper]

@Mike 9987
Really I never noticed that what option do I have to take?

[Nationalcity1]

Mike 9987 wrote...

The only reference to hawke being a blood mage within the game so far is the part when your complanion/sibling is kidnapped. At the end of the whole thing, if you are a blood mage, you can use blood magic to revive the companion who is in a "koma" via a dialogue choice instead of the kidnapper doing the reviving. It results in Hawke cutting his wrist in a cutscene and the companion is revived.

This is where they missed oppurtunities they could have your companions say something about you using blood magic but once again no one seems to care....

[Abispa]

As much as I liked DA2, this is one of the game's unforgivable sins. IF the storyline of the game can't handle Hawke being a blood-mage, the option shouldn't be given to the player. I think the battle with the High Dragon is the only time the game cinematics even acknowledge his/her blood mage status. But then the whole mage play-through, blood-magic or no, is FULL of face palm moments that stretch credulity to the breaking point, which is sad considering how much fun it is to play this game as a mage.

[Chun Hei]

My theory is that there is something "special" about Hawke that may actually be explained in a DLC or expansion. Wesley knows Bethany is a mage but does not notice Hawke either. I would say Flemeth did something but they had not met her yet.

[higgi-1988]

Mike 9987 wrote...

The only reference to hawke being a blood mage within the game so far is the part when your complanion/sibling is kidnapped. At the end of the whole thing, if you are a blood mage, you can use blood magic to revive the companion who is in a "koma" via a dialogue choice instead of the kidnapper doing the reviving. It results in Hawke cutting his wrist in a cutscene and the companion is revived.

how did you manage to do that? it was alain (if thats the guys name) that revived carver/bethany in my play throughs

[higgi-1988]

Chun Hei wrote...

My theory is that there is something "special" about Hawke that may actually be explained in a DLC or expansion. Wesley knows Bethany is a mage but does not notice Hawke either. I would say Flemeth did something but they had not met her yet.

doesnt wesley say apostates rather than apostate when you first meet him?

[hobbit of the shire]

One of my pet peeves in the games. Writers and programmers need to work TOGETHER. So the argument that one would have to go back and redo a bunch of stuff is total garbage. DAO it would've been possible to insert more references and consequences. But DA2 was not designed to handle this. You're in an anti-mage city, for crying out loud, and you're supposed to be its champion. There is no way to really fix that except for a total rewrite of DA2. The situation of having a mage Hawke in Kirkwall was so blatantly out of place. Yeah, that big giant stick I'm walking around with is just a plastic kids' toy, and the lightning emanating from it is simply because I'm walking under a thundercloud.

[Mocker22]

The convo system really is pretty good in DA2 although I do have a pet peeve that sometimes Hawke just doesn't 'sound' diplomatic or ruthless or w/e the case may be.

I do agree there was way more chance for RP options based on class, but I wuld have rather seen them focus on mages using magic to accomplish things, BM is too specific and only a certain ammount of players would benefit. I think a really great idea would be for different companions to have specific conversations with Hawke about spec choices. BM wuld be a good one, but what about a Bethany freak out because i joined the templars, etc.

[FieryDove]

The devs already said why no one knows you were an X. The specializations were done last, hence why no one notices x, y,z.

I am guessing a lot of the old specs were going to be included but it was veto'ed late in development so the console users would get a better experience. Things like shapeshifter, the shapes had to remain in the memory the entire game even if you never used it. I imagine Ranger was the same. So out they go.

M$ and S$ny really need to come out with something decent soon. Lots o' ram please to stop making developers sweat or cut/cut/cut.

higgi-1988 wrote...

doesnt wesley say apostates rather than apostate when you first meet him?

No.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Chun Hei wrote...

My theory is that there is something "special" about Hawke that may actually be explained in a DLC or expansion. Wesley knows Bethany is a mage but does not notice Hawke either. I would say Flemeth did something but they had not met her yet.

The only thing "special" about Hawke in that regard is something called "plot armor".

[esper]

FieryDove wrote...

The devs already said why no one knows you were an X. The specializations were done last, hence why no one notices x, y,z.

I am guessing a lot of the old specs were going to be included but it was veto'ed late in development so the console users would get a better experience. Things like shapeshifter, the shapes had to remain in the memory the entire game even if you never used it. I imagine Ranger was the same. So out they go.

M$ and S$ny really need to come out with something decent soon. Lots o' ram please to stop making developers sweat or cut/cut/cut.

higgi-1988 wrote...

doesnt wesley say apostates rather than apostate when you first meet him?

Nah... The 'offed' specs were archmage, juggernout and bard.

No.

[IanPolaris]

FieryDove wrote...

The devs already said why no one knows you were an X. The specializations were done last, hence why no one notices x, y,z..

In the case of bloodmage, however, it's a lame excuse that doesn't begin to stand up to scrutiny.  The one speciality that any Mage Hawke would almost certainly be given would be 'bloodmage" and 'bloodmage" is an incredibily important story distinction.

More lazyness and excuses.

-Polaris

[DarkDragon777]

IanPolaris wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

The devs already said why no one knows you were an X. The specializations were done last, hence why no one notices x, y,z..

In the case of bloodmage, however, it's a lame excuse that doesn't begin to stand up to scrutiny.  The one speciality that any Mage Hawke would almost certainly be given would be 'bloodmage" and 'bloodmage" is an incredibily important story distinction.

More lazyness and excuses.

-Polaris

Yes, this is just laziness. Not to mention the fact that being an ordinary mage has little impact on the story. If you did decide to become a bloodmage, the least they could do is have someone like Fenris confront you.

[FieryDove]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Yes, this is just laziness. Not to mention the fact that being an ordinary mage has little impact on the story. If you did decide to become a bloodmage, the least they could do is have someone like Fenris confront you.

Laziness?

It is called working within strict limitations. Just for an example if the scene with Fenris and Hawke bloodmage were added another conversation with him most likely would have to be cut. I'm not saying that is good or bad, right or wrong but that is just the way it is.