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[1upD]

 I don't understand what the issue with the wiki is. The game heavily implies that the Reapers indoctrinated the Rachni. That should be mentioned. You don't have to state it as fact or omit it outright, you can just say "It is heavily implied that..." That's how most fun facts on wikis are worded anyways. 

[spartacusthegod]

capn233 wrote...

The quote in my first post in this thread was from the Rachni queen's message that was delivered on Ilium:

"But we know you seek those who soured the note of our mothers..."

Talk about the outside influence from the encounter with her on Noveria:

"I do not know what happened in the war. We only heard discordance. Songs the color of oily shadows."

"A tone from space hushed one voice after another. It forced the singers to resonate with its own sour yellow note."

That last line right there is what points, in my opinion, ABSOLUTELY towards Harbinger.  Sovereign, he had Red.  Saren's eyes turned red when he turned into the skeleton, and red-tinted energy came from him when he was changing.  Sovereign's hologram was RED.  Harbinger had Yellow for all of the same things, his hologram, the eys of those under his control, and the energy discharged from them as well.  

And it was FORCED control as well.  Anyone who read the books (one in particular, not entirely sure which) knows that the reapers don't idly exert their control, when they want something, they take it with force.  The one man they were controlling remotely, when they had no contact themselves with him ONCE (it was through believed-to-be-Reaper tech used by Cerberus) they were influencing him and making him into their agent, similar to Saren.  They were still out in dark space as well, making it absolutely possible for them to control someone or something from a distance.

"It FORCED the singers to resonate with its own sour YELLOW note" is the line.  Emphasis on those two things, because forced control is something already associated with the Reapers, and yellow because it is something associated with Harbinger.  Does anything else in the entire known Mass Effect universe force control, and is associated CLEARLY with the color yellow?  Nothing is coming to mind right now with the one exception of the Reapers, Harbinger in particular.

[spartacusthegod]

1upD wrote...

 I don't understand what the issue with the wiki is. The game heavily implies that the Reapers indoctrinated the Rachni. That should be mentioned. You don't have to state it as fact or omit it outright, you can just say "It is heavily implied that..." That's how most fun facts on wikis are worded anyways. 

THIS

Right here, really.  Don't rule anything entirely out until there's definite, absolute proof pointing towards one thing or another.  Even if it's thought to be untrue, other theories should still be mentioned.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

spartacusthegod wrote...

1upD wrote...

 I don't understand what the issue with the wiki is. The game heavily implies that the Reapers indoctrinated the Rachni. That should be mentioned. You don't have to state it as fact or omit it outright, you can just say "It is heavily implied that..." That's how most fun facts on wikis are worded anyways. 

THIS

Right here, really.  Don't rule anything entirely out until there's definite, absolute proof pointing towards one thing or another.  Even if it's thought to be untrue, other theories should still be mentioned.

Yeah, but it's the policy of the Mass Effect wikia people that if it's not a hard fact, it doesn't go on the page. Period. End of story.

Plus, they have one mission page tagged that it would be improved by pictures, but it's impossible to get any pictures that would be relevant to that page without breaking about 5-6 rules about photos on the wiki.  Can't have Shepard in the picture, cant have HUD, can't have any text..... Ok, so how do you get a screenshot without Shepard in it? Sniper scope? Nope, it's got HUD.


Really it's funny... the Mass Effect Wikia people are stricter than Wookieepedia, and they are pretty strict with the same 5 levels of "canonicity" that LucasArts uses.  Yet, unless you are just pulling something out of your butt, they'll usually leave it on the site, just note that it's speculation based on what was said in X game or novel.

Heck, they are stricter than the acutal wikipedia! "citation needed" isn't an option on the Mass Effect Wikia... no citation, no posting. Period.

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 12 septembre 2011 - 06:42 .

[1upD]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

spartacusthegod wrote...

1upD wrote...

 I don't understand what the issue with the wiki is. The game heavily implies that the Reapers indoctrinated the Rachni. That should be mentioned. You don't have to state it as fact or omit it outright, you can just say "It is heavily implied that..." That's how most fun facts on wikis are worded anyways. 

THIS

Right here, really.  Don't rule anything entirely out until there's definite, absolute proof pointing towards one thing or another.  Even if it's thought to be untrue, other theories should still be mentioned.

Yeah, but it's the policy of the Mass Effect wikia people that if it's not a hard fact, it doesn't go on the page. Period. End of story.

Plus, they have one mission page tagged that it would be improved by pictures, but it's impossible to get any pictures that would be relevant to that page without breaking about 5-6 rules about photos on the wiki.  Can't have Shepard in the picture, cant have HUD, can't have any text..... Ok, so how do you get a screenshot without Shepard in it? Sniper scope? Nope, it's got HUD.


Really it's funny... the Mass Effect Wikia people are stricter than Wookieepedia, and they are pretty strict with the same 5 levels of "canonicity" that LucasArts uses.  Yet, unless you are just pulling something out of your butt, they'll usually leave it on the site, just note that it's speculation based on what was said in X game or novel.

Heck, they are stricter than the acutal wikipedia! "citation needed" isn't an option on the Mass Effect Wikia... no citation, no posting. Period.

That's just stupid. I don't mean to hate, but seriously, what? Why does Mass Effect's wiki suddenly become so important that it's not allowed to embrace the information freedoms that all other wikis have? That's insulting to the wiki system and to the series. I understand that the wikis need good formatting to be understandable, but I think they're going a little too far.

[wizardryforever]

Just for reference, the Illium dialogue goes like this: "Shepard, we hide.  We borrow.  We build.  But we know that you seek those who soured the songs of our mothers.  When the time comes, our voice . . . will join with yours.  And our crescendo. . . will burn the darkness clean.  Thank you Shepard.  The Rachni will sing again.  Because of you."

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

wizardryforever wrote...

Just for reference, the Illium dialogue goes like this: "Shepard, we hide.  We borrow.  We build.  But we know that you seek those who soured the songs of our mothers.  When the time comes, our voice . . . will join with yours.  And our crescendo. . . will burn the darkness clean.  Thank you Shepard.  The Rachni will sing again.  Because of you."

OH I SEE IT NOW!!! She mistakenly thinks Shepard seeks the Daughters of Cacophony!

(A cookie to anyone who gets that reference)

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 13 septembre 2011 - 03:48 .

[Juniper Mucius]

I never took the rachni as being directly indoctrinated by Sovereign. I always thought of it as Sovereign just did something to them specifically that made them go bath**** insane. The Rachni Wars only started when a relay was opened to rachni controlled space. Why did the war start just then? Why didn't it start earlier? There's far too many questions right now, and no fundamental proof that they were directly indoctrinated as Saren. The rachni think and see in a way more alien than any other species in the galaxy aside from the Reapers. It's possible Sovereign interrupted their "songs" and skewed their "colours" in a way that isn't indoctrination.

So saying right now that they were indoctrinated is nothing but speculation. Sure, it seems like a logical choice when you get right down to it. The rachni queen on Noveria could have said, "like those you fought, the colours and songs of our mothers were taken" (not exactly that, but however a rachni queen would say it).

@AbsolutGrndZer0 Sounded familiar, so I googled it. I prefer Requiem. =P