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[Major Badass]

A lot of people are unhappy that Commander Sheperd, the male version in particular, is now bi-curious. While a few people may oppose this based on irrational homophobia, the vast majority of fans are concerned primarily by the effect on Mass Effect's backstory. This is a major upset, given that the male Shepard was completely straight in the first two games, but there is a way to respect the wishes of those who want their Shepard to be gay while at the same time maintaining the character's canon:

Include sexual orientation in character creation, at the very beginning of the game, with the option to be Heterosexual, Homosexual, or Bisexual. Those who select a heterosexual Shepard would only have access to romance options of the opposite gender, homosexual characters would only have access to their own gender, and bisexual Shepards could do both.

Instituting the option to have a completely straight character would allow the Commander Shepard of Mass Effect 3 canon to remain heterosexual, just as in Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. At the same time, players who wanted to pursue gay romances in-game would be able to do so without disrupting the backstory, and those who know they won't be engaging in certain types of romance options, whether gay or straight, could close them off entirely while still in character creation. A winning situation for everyone.

[Ellyria]

Or you could just not flirt with people of the same sex, seeing as romantic relationships won't start unless Shepard initiates them.

[ladyvader]

First off there is no Shepard canon. BioWare has said this already. Every Shepard is different. To think that is folly in the nth degree.

Secondly, if you want your Shepard to remain a hetrosexual, then play it that way. No one is forcing you to make your Shepard to be bi/gay.

[Labrev]

Chylise wrote...

Or you could just not flirt with people of the same sex, seeing as romantic relationships won't start unless Shepard initiates them.

Yeah, really.

[alex90c]

Why do we need a sexuality option in the CC when we can just decide in-game? Don't wanna romance a character, then just don't. I can't believe people can actually get irritated by dudeshep POSSIBLY (i.e. not necessarily in your game if you don't want him to) having a thing for other dudes.

[Major Badass]

alex90c wrote...

Why do we need a sexuality option in the CC when we can just decide in-game? Don't wanna romance a character, then just don't. I can't believe people can actually get irritated by dudeshep POSSIBLY (i.e. not necessarily in your game if you don't want him to) having a thing for other dudes.

Why decide in-game when we could decide before the game even starts?

[Major Badass]

ladyvader wrote...

First off there is no Shepard canon. BioWare has said this already. Every Shepard is different. To think that is folly in the nth degree.

Secondly, if you want your Shepard to remain a hetrosexual, then play it that way. No one is forcing you to make your Shepard to be bi/gay.

You're right, every Shepard is different. However, Shepard him- or herself is an integral part of Mass Effect canon as a whole, which is why I want my Shepard to be straight no matter what conversation options I take.

Modifié par Major Badass, 09 septembre 2011 - 05:15 .

[MisterJB]

Major Badass wrote...
Why decide in-game when we could decide before the game even starts?

They perhaps we should also decide Shepard's morality before the game even starts.

[jeweledleah]

its been mentioned before, many times. Shepard was never canonically heterosexual. Shepard is canonically N7, defeats Saren, becomes a spectre, dies few weeks after, ends up working with Cerberus, defeats collectors. that's about it. everything else is up to a player. you don't have to take the options you don't like. when I play paragon, i don't take renegade choices. they are still there, and even the mostly sunshine and rainbow paragon Shepards still get those flashing renegade interrupts. just... don't take them. simple.

seriously, dude.  just becasue you get an interrupt flashing on your screen from a morality that your shepard isn't... it doesn't make them any less of a paragon or renegad.  its just an option that you don't take.  i mean, you have 3 possible romances in ME2 and 2 in ME1.  does it mean your shepard is in love with all of them at the same time, just becasue the options are there? >_>

Modifié par jeweledleah, 09 septembre 2011 - 05:19 .

[Major Badass]

MisterJB wrote...

Major Badass wrote...
Why decide in-game when we could decide before the game even starts?

They perhaps we should also decide Shepard's morality before the game even starts.

Most people already decide whether they're going to be paragon's or renagades before the game even begins. You need to, if you want to max out your paragon or renagade meter and gain its benifits.

[Major Badass]

jeweledleah wrote...

its been mentioned before, many times. Shepard was never canonically heterosexual. Shepard is canonically N7, defeats Saren, becomes a spectre, dies few weeks after, ends up working with Cerberus, defeats collectors. that's about it. everything else is up to a player. you don't have to take the options you don't like. when I play paragon, i don't take renegade choices. they are still there, and even the mostly sunshine and rainbow paragon Shepards still get those flashing renegade interrupts. just... don't take them. simple.

seriously, dude.  just becasue you get an interrupt flashing on your screen from a morality that your shepard isn't... it doesn't make them any less of a paragon or renegad.  its just an option that you don't take.  i mean, you have 3 possible romances in ME2 and 2 in ME1.  does it mean your shepard is in love with all of them at the same time, just becasue the options are there? >_>

And because you never take the interrupts, they become annoying interuptions, not interesting aspects of gameplay.

Modifié par Major Badass, 09 septembre 2011 - 05:23 .

[alex90c]

Major Badass wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Why do we need a sexuality option in the CC when we can just decide in-game? Don't wanna romance a character, then just don't. I can't believe people can actually get irritated by dudeshep POSSIBLY (i.e. not necessarily in your game if you don't want him to) having a thing for other dudes.

Why decide in-game when we could decide before the game even starts?

I'll use myself as an example then. When I first played ME1 I thought "okay I'm gonna romance Ashley". But eventually I ended up going for Liara (FemShep). Now if I'd set my character as heterosexual at the start, then that little thing I decided at the start of the game would have meant that I would have had to have gone for Ashley even though I wanted to go for Liara later on.

Now do you see why it's better to let the player choose while they're playing the game rather than before they've even begun?

[Major Badass]

alex90c wrote...

Major Badass wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Why do we need a sexuality option in the CC when we can just decide in-game? Don't wanna romance a character, then just don't. I can't believe people can actually get irritated by dudeshep POSSIBLY (i.e. not necessarily in your game if you don't want him to) having a thing for other dudes.

Why decide in-game when we could decide before the game even starts?

I'll use myself as an example then. When I first played ME1 I thought "okay I'm gonna romance Ashley". But eventually I ended up going for Liara (FemShep). Now if I'd set my character as heterosexual at the start, then that little thing I decided at the start of the game would have meant that I would have had to have gone for Ashley even though I wanted to go for Liara later on.

Now do you see why it's better to let the player choose while they're playing the game rather than before they've even begun?

Weren't Ashley and Liara both female?

Also, I'm not saying that having Shepard engage in gay romance options is bad, just that it would be nice not to have to deal with it if you don't want to.

[alex90c]

oops lol, I meant Kaidan.

and you don't have to deal with it if you DON'T WANT TO. Shepard has to initiate the romances themselves, so you can just avoid it. and even if they do make a move on you, just say "sorry not interested". how hard is that?

Modifié par alex90c, 09 septembre 2011 - 05:28 .

[jeweledleah]

Major Badass wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

its been mentioned before, many times. Shepard was never canonically heterosexual. Shepard is canonically N7, defeats Saren, becomes a spectre, dies few weeks after, ends up working with Cerberus, defeats collectors. that's about it. everything else is up to a player. you don't have to take the options you don't like. when I play paragon, i don't take renegade choices. they are still there, and even the mostly sunshine and rainbow paragon Shepards still get those flashing renegade interrupts. just... don't take them. simple.

seriously, dude.  just becasue you get an interrupt flashing on your screen from a morality that your shepard isn't... it doesn't make them any less of a paragon or renegad.  its just an option that you don't take.  i mean, you have 3 possible romances in ME2 and 2 in ME1.  does it mean your shepard is in love with all of them at the same time, just becasue the options are there? >_>

And because you never take the interrupts, they become annoying interuptions, not interesting aspects of gameplay.

not really, not to me.  they are just there.  almost every single conversation is like that.  you get multiple options of how to proceed.  why single out sexuality?  you do not have to pick an option you don't like - you just pick the one you do.  like I said - 5 romances per gender so far.  is your Shepard in love with all 5 of them, just becasue they are available options? 

pretty sure we're going to get conversation options that will lock us out of any romance we don't wish to pursue.  just like we do now (more obvious ones in ME2 then in ME1 to boot).  I've always found it to be sufficient enough.

[Major Badass]

By canon Shepard, I am referring to the Shepard the player considers canon: the one they've spent two long games playing as. Since my Sheperd in both games was straight, I don't like that he can suddenly end up in a gay romance just because of a few dialogue choices.

[Major Badass]

jeweledleah wrote...

Major Badass wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

its been mentioned before, many times. Shepard was never canonically heterosexual. Shepard is canonically N7, defeats Saren, becomes a spectre, dies few weeks after, ends up working with Cerberus, defeats collectors. that's about it. everything else is up to a player. you don't have to take the options you don't like. when I play paragon, i don't take renegade choices. they are still there, and even the mostly sunshine and rainbow paragon Shepards still get those flashing renegade interrupts. just... don't take them. simple.

seriously, dude.  just becasue you get an interrupt flashing on your screen from a morality that your shepard isn't... it doesn't make them any less of a paragon or renegad.  its just an option that you don't take.  i mean, you have 3 possible romances in ME2 and 2 in ME1.  does it mean your shepard is in love with all of them at the same time, just becasue the options are there? >_>

And because you never take the interrupts, they become annoying interuptions, not interesting aspects of gameplay.

not really, not to me.  they are just there.  almost every single conversation is like that.  you get multiple options of how to proceed.  why single out sexuality?  you do not have to pick an option you don't like - you just pick the one you do.  like I said - 5 romances per gender so far.  is your Shepard in love with all 5 of them, just becasue they are available options? 

pretty sure we're going to get conversation options that will lock us out of any romance we don't wish to pursue.  just like we do now (more obvious ones in ME2 then in ME1 to boot).  I've always found it to be sufficient enough.

I've found it sufficient, too, but I think it would be usefull to be able to close off romance options you know you won't be taking when the game first starts.

Modifié par Major Badass, 09 septembre 2011 - 05:33 .

[alex90c]

Major Badass wrote...

By canon Shepard, I am referring to the Shepard the player considers canon: the one they've spent two long games playing as. Since my Sheperd in both games was straight, I don't like that he can suddenly end up in a gay romance just because of a few dialogue choices.

JESUS TITTYF!CKING CHRIST

you want a straight shepard? say NO if a dude hits on him.

if they hit on you that doesn't make YOUR character gay, and like you said he CAN "suddenly end up in a gay romance", emphasis on CAN.

[MACharlie1]

Oh. It's THIS thread again. Le sigh.

[LOLZAO]

Oh this again

Person 1:i wish that it had a toggle for this homosexual thing.

Person 2:but it´s homophobic because BLBLABLANOTOGLESFOROTHERTHINGSBLBLABLA.

Person 1:but it´s just a Toggle it´s not homophobic because BlablaBLABLAblabla....blabla...BLABLA.

Random person 1:I am homophobic and i want the toggle Because as i said i hate the gay and don´t want they in my game because the curiosity might get the better of me and then i will be gay because i talked to a gay guy in the game.

Me:this again.

Random person 2:you all posting in TROLL thread. LOLZS

Random person 3:I like where this is going(ship going to storm image)

Random dramatic person 1: You are all gay for just accepting that there is gay people in the game.

Random dramatic person 2:You are all homophobic for not being gay.

Moderator: this has to stop.
                   Or
Stanley Woo:End of the line.

Modifié par LOLZAO, 09 septembre 2011 - 05:40 .

[MACharlie1]

LOLZAO wrote...

Oh this again

Person 1:i wish that it had a toggle for this homosexual thing.

Person 2:but it´s homophobic because BLBLABLANOTOGLESFOROTHERTHINGSBLBLABLA.

Person 1:but it´s just a Toggle it´s not homophobic because BlablaBLABLAblabla....blabla...BLABLA.

Random person 1:I am homophobic and i want the toggle Because as i said i hate the gay and don´t want they in my game because the curiosity might get the better of me and then i will be gay because i talked to a gay guy in the game.

Me:this again.

Random person 2:you all posting in TROLL thread. LOLZS

Random person 3:I like where this is going(ship going to storm image)

Random dramatic person 1: You are all gay for just accepting that there is gay people in the game.

Random dramatic person 2:You are all homophobic for not being gay.

Moderator: this has to stop.
                   Or
Stanley Woo:End of the line.

You forgot the parts where we go into a race/religious discussion because "gays have/have not faced the same discrimination as other minorities" or "God says your going to hell". 

[Major Badass]

alex90c wrote...

Major Badass wrote...

By canon Shepard, I am referring to the Shepard the player considers canon: the one they've spent two long games playing as. Since my Sheperd in both games was straight, I don't like that he can suddenly end up in a gay romance just because of a few dialogue choices.

JESUS TITTYF!CKING CHRIST

you want a straight shepard? say NO if a dude hits on him.

if they hit on you that doesn't make YOUR character gay, and like you said he CAN "suddenly end up in a gay romance", emphasis on CAN.

The fact that guys are hitting on my character is the main problem.

Also, why are you getting so upset?

Modifié par Major Badass, 09 septembre 2011 - 05:50 .

[LOLZAO]

Yeah that for some reason always comes up.

[MACharlie1]

Major Badass wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Major Badass wrote...

By canon Shepard, I am referring to the Shepard the player considers canon: the one they've spent two long games playing as. Since my Sheperd in both games was straight, I don't like that he can suddenly end up in a gay romance just because of a few dialogue choices.

JESUS TITTYF!CKING CHRIST

you want a straight shepard? say NO if a dude hits on him.

if they hit on you that doesn't make YOUR character gay, and like you said he CAN "suddenly end up in a gay romance", emphasis on CAN.

The fact that guys are hitting on my character is the main problem.

Sheltered much are we? 

[NeroSparda]

Major Badass wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Major Badass wrote...

By canon Shepard, I am referring to the Shepard the player considers canon: the one they've spent two long games playing as. Since my Sheperd in both games was straight, I don't like that he can suddenly end up in a gay romance just because of a few dialogue choices.

JESUS TITTYF!CKING CHRIST

you want a straight shepard? say NO if a dude hits on him.

if they hit on you that doesn't make YOUR character gay, and like you said he CAN "suddenly end up in a gay romance", emphasis on CAN.

The fact that guy's are hitting on me is the main problem.

That only means he is attracted to you and do not know you are straight, so you will just set it straight by mentioning you are straight.