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[Xilizhra]

Repzik wrote...

Then you are committing the same sin as they are.

Not really. Certainly there are racists, sexists and homophobes who may not be white, male, and/or straight. However, that particular phrase is something that only makes sense coming out of the mouth of someone who belonged only to privileged groups.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I'm so glad I changed my screen name from "Darth Cheesecake" To "Grand Admiral Cheesecake", when I started using it I was one of the only "Darths" here. Now they come in hordes.


Oh and chill out people who don't like teh gahyes. Because the if you really don't want to do the romance just...you know pay attention in the conversations and choose the "Not interested" option.

It's so simple an Ork could understand it.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 14 septembre 2011 - 01:47 .

[Repzik]

Xilizhra wrote...

Repzik wrote...

Then you are committing the same sin as they are.

Not really. Certainly there are racists, sexists and homophobes who may not be white, male, and/or straight. However, that particular phrase is something that only makes sense coming out of the mouth of someone who belonged only to privileged groups.

Complaining about stereotyping and then using a stereotype in your defense is not a very logical course of action.

Regardless if there is a truth behind a stereotype doesn't mean you can use it judge or make assumptions about people.

Modifié par Repzik, 14 septembre 2011 - 02:26 .

[Xilizhra]

Perhaps, in the end, I was too zealous there.

[Heather Cline]

Another anti-gay thread just posted politely. This gets tiresome and annoying after a while.

End of Line.

[Repzik]

You were, Xilizhra. Though your original point was correct.

Modifié par Repzik, 14 septembre 2011 - 03:45 .

[nocbl2]

bisexual three way with Liara and Kaidan/Jacob?

Modifié par nocbl2, 14 septembre 2011 - 04:03 .

[Darth Krytie]

Heather Cline wrote...

Another anti-gay thread just posted politely. This gets tiresome and annoying after a while.

End of Line.

Don't they just?

This whole topic is, quite frankly, idiotic. Maybe the point wasn't that M!Shep isn't bi/gay/whatever, but none of the potential love interests were or were interested at the time. There you go. Fits in with the Lore. The end.

I cannot stand how many people are getting up in arms about ME3 offering potential s/s romances as if it's this great betrayal. If you want straight-only romances, you only need to play...I dunno...any other game in existence with romances (aside from Bioware titles). Because this is the only game maker that actually has gay romances at all. No, I don't count Sims. And, no, I don't count Fable. They have as much depth as a petri dish.

So, please, stop whining about how little you're being pandered to. It reeks of privilege. Christ on a crutch, is giving one game out of every other game in the history of the world a little bit of inclusion such a goddamned hardship?

Modifié par Darth Krytie, 14 septembre 2011 - 04:15 .

[Zakatak757]

If a dude hits on you, you can compliment him back, thank him for the compliment but tell him you are straight, or straight out yell "F@G!" at him. Whatever you want. No need for a "what is your preference?" at the start of the game.

Modifié par Zakatak757, 14 septembre 2011 - 05:18 .

[Swimming Ferret]

This thread is making me LOL. Why don't some people understand that you don't have to, oh I dunno, not initiate a romance? Take Leliana for example; when she complimented on my Female Wardens hair, I picked the "You're such a good friend" options. So yeah, you can turn down someone nicely when they hit on you. It's not like they are gonna fling themselves at you.

Grow up.

[Swimming Ferret]

Oh, and if this is implemented, I want a way to switch off heterosexual dialogue. My gay Manshep was fairly uncomfortable with all the female groping that was going on around him. That chick from Noveria ended up kissing him, the female squaddies kept on flirting with him. Same with Shiala and Kelly.

Or I could, oh I dunno, just not start a romance with them! F!CKING LOGIC.

It's not around here that often, I guess.

[happy_daiz]

Do we really need more labels? Ugh, grow up, already.

[Cutlass Jack]

Chylise wrote...

Or you could just not flirt with people of the same sex, seeing as romantic relationships won't start unless Shepard initiates them.

So simple even a caveman could do it.

[mauro2222]

jreezy wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

I like the OPs idea honestly it is a good one definately.

1) it prevents accidentally triggering a romance which lets be honest in DA 2 and ME 2 and ME 1 sometimes you accidentally triggered a romance, i forgot DA 1 didn't i? oh heavens how many times i let poor zevrehn down...he must learn one day that simply because i giver him presents to keep him from stabbing me in the back doesn't mean want a relationship.

I can't speak on Dragon Age since I've never played it but it should not be that hard to avoid a romance in Mass Effect.

I never played DA2, but in Origins you have Zevran who is openly bi, the first time you met him, he is already flirting with you, you can have fun of his flirt like a friend, take it seriously or just say him no, "I`m not interested" end of the line. If you don`t say him that you don`t like men and you are constantly giving him presents what the hell do you expect? <_<

[Ravensword]

ZOMG! A a gay fictional NPC just hit on my straight fictional PC! What do I do?

Inb4 lock.

Modifié par Ravensword, 23 septembre 2011 - 05:19 .

[DeathDragon185]

JESUS ****ING CHRIST!!!
just DON"T START A ****ING ROMANCE IF YOU DON'T WANT ONE.........
now that I have that out of my system, lol.
TIM:"you always have a choice Shepard"

[Valtauran]

While i understand the reason behind this topic, i don't agree, i mean, each shepard is unique to your character and i have been able to chat to every single crew member and not even initiate the romance, because the freaking choice is so obvious, so you can avoid it with ease.

My Female shepard is being loyal to her ME1 romance, Liara and i was able to chat to all the male love interests with no trouble at all, though i admittedly flirted with them for the fun of it, but it never went further and its possible just by not even picking the romance starter option.

[whywhywhywhy]

mineralica wrote...

I totally LOVE how people started to complain about possibility of s/s now while femShep might romance Liara, Kelly, make some moves on Consort or Morinth... f/f is totally acceptable while m/m is bloody horror?

I've never played femshep so none of this matters to me because guess what ?  Wait for it.....femshep/male shep is a TOGGLE.  So simple.

mineralica wrote...
And speaking of toggle...

- it would be strange to have it in profile (imagine how it first game "het/bi/hom" would be written in military profile... or in second Miranda trying her best to not disturb Shepard's sexuality)

They just eliminated don't ask don't tell so I'm pretty sure personnel will be recording it....just saying. 

mineralica wrote...
- it blocks part of unwanted romances while leaving other part (it would be irritating to reload from poorly phrased option which caused my Kaidan-romancing Shepard to hit on... say, Jack; but reload because same Shepard started to hit on Jacob from same poorly phrased option is not less irritating)

A toggle and clear romance labeled dialog would prevent all that. Any system that uses one or the other is broke on arrival, you need both.

[whywhywhywhy]

LeVaughnX wrote...
no - the lore is how the lore is you fu*king anal monkey. I don't care about earning the respect of thick headed asswipes in the community nor do I care if I get banned anymore for standing up against people who have to throw insults around like you do.

Your absolutely correct.  I tried to rationally discuss why the toggle was such an unreasonable or offensive option to s/s and I was attacked.  I didn't get one reasonable and rational answer to my question. Why do they care so much how I want to play my game ?  It doesn't effect how they want to play it at all.  They make me not care about trying to be diplomatic because reason escapes them.

LeVaughnX wrote...
Anyway - I'm not whining as much as I'm pointing out a good damned point. S/S is fine but changing the history, lore, story, and characters of a game franchise in the finale is wrong, ignorant, rude, and plainly un-necessary.

Agreed.

LeVaughnX wrote...
I'm all for new characters being gay/bi but I will probably refuse to buy ME3 (and I'm sure there are others out there)

I agree with you.  No toggle in the game no Buy toggle button on my wallet.

[Athayniel]

I have no problem with allowing players to specify their Shepard's orientation as long as 1) it can be changed at any time and as many times as desired, which allows for players to decide to explore their options at will, 2) it only affected which dialogue options were presented to the player, meaning they wouldn't be able to flirt in opposition to their stated orientation and romances wouldn't be started without their active participation, 3) it did not prevent a s/s NPC from hitting on a straight Shep or an o/s NPC from hitting on a gay Shep if it is in character for them to hit on Shep, for instance Kelly should be able to flirt with anyone, or Vega if it is in his character to do so, and you should be presented with the option of turning them down in multiple ways.

I'm in favour of anything that gives players more control over their own character's choices. What I am not in favour of is a toggle that would force other character's behaviour, such as forcing Kelly to not flirt with femShep. Liara still would because as well all know 'asari aren't female'.

Modifié par Athayniel, 23 septembre 2011 - 11:56 .

[RomanDark]

I think I'd be for setting the sexuality of your own shepherd but not a "homosexuality toggle" as some have suggested. Playing through trying to roleplay a gay m!shep through ME1 and 2 can be frustrating at times when it comes to dealing with the females advances, yes you can say no but it doesn't always seem like he's completely uninterested. Then he says other things like "Humans have the most beautiful women" or whatever in ME1 it's kind of irritating if it's out his...interest. It would be nice to give your shep a few parameters when it comes to dialogue and mannerisms but it's nothing that I couldn't do without.

But I am completely against being able to "filter" out s/s content with a toggle. When dealing with the Bi and or Gay characters, or for me the straight ones, it's easy enough to not flirt with that character or turn down their advances in order to avoid unwanted romance. But to remove them completely is very unrealistic and is just as bad as my m!shep letting Shaira paw all over him.

[DiscoDarth]

Actually this is a good idea. COME ON WE ARE TALKING ABOUT  "SOLVE ALL HETERO_HOMO WARS IN BIOWARE GAMES FOREVER" BUTTON!
For anyone who woud say "you can make a choice in game" i just post that

Modifié par DiscoDarth, 23 septembre 2011 - 02:20 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

@discodarth

Oh yeah! Just like with Liara and FemShep. Only the option that sounds like it will be harsh and mean and ignorant is a hidden flirt option that has lead so many into being ninjamanced.

I mean that option: BUT YOU'RE A WOMAN!!!