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[DiscoDarth]

well everybody know that this girls thing is not gay at all...right???..right?..oh come on

[Russalka]

Why is it that the women who play Mass Effect have not had any particularly vocal objections towards Liara quite simply putting herself forward for a relationship to their female characters, and there being flirtatious options with Samara, Morinth and Kelly?

But if there is a threat of a man flirting with the male character, it is incredibly important to have a toggle?

Why are people so sensitive?

[jlb524]

Russalka wrote...
Why is it that the women who play Mass Effect have not had any particularly vocal objections towards Liara quite simply putting herself forward for a relationship to their female characters, and there being flirtatious options with Samara, Morinth and Kelly?

Some have.

Russalka wrote...
But if there is a threat of a man flirting with the male character, it is incredibly important to have a toggle?

Why are people so sensitive?

Perhaps b/c this is the first time they had to deal with this possibility in Mass Effect?

[whywhywhywhy]

Maybe because Liara isn't a women in the traditional sense, she's a monogendered alien. A Liara/femShep relationship is a xenosexual relationship, not a ****** or hetero one. It's the same for male Shepard.

To answer your other question, well Jlb524's post does that already.

[Russalka]

That is a weak argument. To the player, it is a lesbian relationship, Shepard also has to be attracted to women. Since they are monogendered, their single gender could be female. If you offer the argument of it being cultural, them having no concept of being female, then their biological sex already seems to be female. They give birth and seem to be mammals, they breastfeed. And Shepard still has to be attracted to women. Does it all matter if the player sees and is attracted to the feminine form anyway? The Codex says they are an all-female species too.

What else? I understand the discomfort of being flirted with. But isn't it the way life is? Things could happen, people say many things to each other, anyone could flirt with anyone. There are many plot points that offer discomfort, does it have to be a comfort zone at all times? Turning off some parts of some characters because some snippet of a dialogue is too much to bear, seems rather extreme to me. They did say it would be all player-initiated. Not wanting to buy the game because of a few seconds of potential flirtatious gay dialogue happening seems rather irrational to me.

Another thing that is problematic, is the fact that the toggle would act as a censor. That sexuality, whether it be hetero or gay, is something that deserves to be hidden, just because someone feels discomfort or "disagrees". It would be a game with mature themes anyhow, why should anything be locked away?

I still have not seen as many complaints, when female Shepard and the ladies were flirting around, as there is now. It is not an often sight to see a homosexual player complain over heterosexuality being pushed at their faces (wanting gay love interests is another matter than this).

Not that it matters, when people make suggestions, anyone can ask for anything. But it is wise to know all viewpoints.

Modifié par Russalka, 23 septembre 2011 - 11:38 .

[Pockles]

I don't understand how male Shepard liking dudes affects his character.

Modifié par Pockles, 23 septembre 2011 - 11:40 .

[DRSH]

Is male Shepard a giver or a receiver?

[whywhywhywhy]

Russalka wrote...

That is a weak argument. To the player, it is a lesbian relationship, Shepard also has to be attracted to women. Since they are monogendered, their single gender could be female. If you offer the argument of it being cultural, them having no concept of being female, then their biological sex already seems to be female. They give birth and seem to be mammals, they breastfeed. And Shepard still has to be attracted to women. Does it all matter if the player sees and is attracted to the feminine form anyway? The Codex says they are an all-female species too.

While I agree that the monogendered species is feminine in both appearance and presentation.  I think it's awefully presumptous to interpret how something is percieved and that you speak for everyone that's played the game.  But how one percieves something doesn't change what it's been defined as.  Liara is a alien.  A relationship with an alien defined as a human one is incorrect, operating from this basis as the core of your argument means your counter to my argument is what's weak.  You disagree ?  Refute it with facts based on the game's lore.

Russalka wrote...
What else? I understand the discomfort of being flirted with. But isn't it the way life is? Things could happen, people say many things to each other, anyone could flirt with anyone. There are many plot points that offer discomfort, does it have to be a comfort zone at all times? Turning off some parts of some characters because some snippet of a dialogue is too much to bear, seems rather extreme to me. They did say it would be all player-initiated. Not wanting to buy the game because of a few seconds of potential flirtatious gay dialogue happening seems rather irrational to me.

No, what's irrational is the s/s supporters fear that a toggle of some type will affect their gameplay.

Russalka wrote...
Another thing that is problematic, is the fact that the toggle would act as a censor. That sexuality, whether it be hetero or gay, is something that deserves to be hidden, just because someone feels discomfort or "disagrees". It would be a game with mature themes anyhow, why should anything be locked away?

The gay content is being added for those who want it, it should be able to be turned off by those who don't want it.  Why ?  Because it's something that's wasn't originally in the game.  Take DA:origins you know what your getting it's in there, so if DA3 has it no big deal that was how the game is designed.  As for the ME series ? It's being retrofitted for s/s relationships in the finale, they're adding it for gays great let them have it.  As for me and those like me who don't want the content add a toggle, as I have no desire for the content.  It's bad enough they're adding content that when/if I pay for the game I indirectly support and if that's the cause add a frigging toggle or I won't buy the game.  Simple as that, not rocket science.

Russalka wrote...

I still have not seen as many complaints, when female Shepard and the ladies were flirting around, as there is now. It is not an often sight to see a homosexual player complain over heterosexuality being pushed at their faces (wanting gay love interests is another matter than this).

Not that it matters, when people make suggestions, anyone can ask for anything. But it is wise to know all viewpoints.

Irrelevant to me I don't play female Shepard I choose the MAN shepard toggle. See how that works ?
That's my viewpoint and I've yet to see a good counter argument to it.

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 24 septembre 2011 - 07:20 .

[elearon1]

I believe Bioware has officially stated - either on the forums or at a panel I attended - that they would not be using a toggle like this and Gaider (if I'm remembering correctly) suggested that the idea itself was offensive.

[Russalka]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

While I agree that the monogendered species is feminine in both appearance and presentation.  I think it's awefully presumptous to interpret how something is percieved and that you speak for everyone that's played the game.  But how one percieves something doesn't change what it's been defined as.  Liara is a alien.  A relationship with an alien defined as a human one is incorrect, operating from this basis as the core of your argument means your counter to my argument is what's weak.  You disagree ?  Refute it with facts based on the game's lore.

How many people look at the Asari and see totally masculine features? Show the picture of an Asari to someone who doesn't know about ME, and he or she sees a woman. How many people, do you figure, explored the romance because it is an alien, not because it is a woman? Why do you want a toggle? Because you are not attracted to men.

The codex says they are all-female. Shepard has to be attracted to women. But there is so little point in arguing, because neither of us seem to have any ways to agree on this.

No, what's irrational is the s/s supporters fear that a toggle of some type will affect their gameplay.

Gameplay-wise it becomes unrealistic, that suddenly some people are unable to flirt because somebody turned it off in options. Other than that, there is nothing more that will affect the gameplay. Like I said, the problem with it is the potential of it being offensive and completely irrelevant since one can already just say no.

If you must respond with a "no u" argument. Then why is it so difficult to swallow a few minutes of dialogue, in a game that is hours-long, and then say no to it? It seems ever so irrational. A lot of people see things they do not like in the game. Usually it seems to me that there are more greater issues that stop people from buying the game.

The gay content is being added for those who want it, it should be able to be turned off by those who don't want it.  Why ?  Because it's something that's wasn't originally in the game.  Take DA:origins you know what your getting it's in there, so if DA3 has it no big deal that was how the game is designed.  As for the ME series ? It's being retrofitted for s/s relationships in the finale, they're adding it for gays great let them have it.  As for me and those like me who don't want the content add a toggle, as I have no desire for the content.  It's bad enough they're adding content that when/if I pay for the game I indirectly support and if that's the cause add a frigging toggle or I won't buy the game.  Simple as that, not rocket science.

It will hardly even touch you, if it is all player-initiated, as they said. And like I said before it is a tiny fraction in an hours-long game. What does it mean if you are so discomfortable with gay men that you can't bare a few minutes of dialogue and refuse to buy the whole game because of that? Flirting happens in real life, it is realistic. You say no, they back down, that's that.

It is a fallacy, but what if every new suggested addition was put behind a toggle? Sexuality should not be something that is equal to gore, deserving to be censored.

Irrelevant to me I don't play female Shepard I choose the MAN shepard toggle. See how that works ? That's my viewpoint and I've yet to see a good counter argument to it.

Even more fallacy, but this all reeks to me of the things I see in commercials and media. A scantily-clad man is frowned upon in commercials, but nobody really cares if it is a woman. I've heard arguments such as the women in commercials attract men, but women want to liken themselves to them. A lot of sexually undertoned things in public media are catered to the straight male.

It is also the opinion I see among really annoying people of how lesbians are hot and totally okay, but gay men should never be shown. This is what the toggle seems to me now.

You are privileged already, don't you realise that? The Asari are discount lesbians. Women, but not really. Bisexuals, but not really. All for fan service, for the straight male. And yet I never felt the need to put a toggle on any of that, it didn't even cause any discomfort to me that someone whom I am not attracted to is flirting or putting herself forward. I even explored flirting with Samara just for fun.

The toggle still seems completely unnecessary to me, because one can just say no. And I doubt there will be much flirting going anyway, since the player still has to initiate it first. It didn't seem to be a problem in Mass Effect 2.

Modifié par Russalka, 24 septembre 2011 - 10:46 .

[whywhywhywhy]

[quote]Russalka wrote...
How many people look at the Asari and see totally masculine features? [/quote] Your confused.  this is not what was being discussed.  In a roundabout way your proving my point  Your trying to break this down to f/f m/f and I'm saying(and correctly so) that this is wrong.  It's M/A(lien) F/A  period.

[quote]Russalka wrote...
Show the picture of an Asari to someone who doesn't know about ME, and he or she sees a woman. How many people, do you figure, explored the romance because it is an alien, not because it is a woman? Why do you want a toggle? Because you are not attracted to men. [/quote] Absolutely.  Pointless.

[quote]Russalka wrote...
The codex says they are all-female. Shepard has to be attracted to women. But there is so little point in arguing, because neither of us seem to have any ways to agree on this. [/quote] A human perspective would see an Asari as female, but they aren't male
or female they are alien or Asari.  The codex is an alliance/human database in lore, correct ? 

[quote]Russalka wrote...
Gameplay-wise it becomes unrealistic, that suddenly some people are unable to flirt because somebody turned it off in options. Other than that, there is nothing more that will affect the gameplay. Like I said, the problem with it is the potential of it being offensive and completely irrelevant since one can already just say no. [/quote]Really, hmm.  So perserving the game as is before s/s relationships are added on one side of the toggle.  And adding the s/s relationship in as the other side of the toggle messes up the gameplay ?  This bears repeating.

The game had no s/s content initially, preserving that as a Base ME3 relationship module(BME3RHE).  And adding the s/s ME3 relationship module in whatever way it's going to be implemented(SME3RHO).  Messes up gameplay ?

So upon character creation you click straight the game loads BME3RHE module.  If you choose Gay the game loads SME3RHO module or if you Bi it loads ME3RFREE4ALL module(omits tailoring of Male/female shep content).  Understand however s/s is implemented is how it'll play it wouldn't mess up anything. 

Now that we can disregard that false complaint explain to me how my wanting a BME3RHE module is offensive ?  If it's offensive in anyway it's towards me or others like me who want BME3RHE and are being told we can't have it because it's offensive despite the fact ME1 and 2 was based on BME3RHE.  

[quote]Russalka wrote...
If you must respond with a "no u" argument. Then why is it so difficult to swallow a few minutes of dialogue, in a game that is hours-long, and then say no to it? It seems ever so irrational. A lot of people see things they do not like in the game. Usually it seems to me that there are more greater issues that stop people from buying the game. [/quote] Why should I have to ?  How is that irrational ?  The desire for s/s content shouldn't impede my lack of desire to play with it.

[quote]Russalka wrote...
It will hardly even touch you, if it is all player-initiated, as they said. And like I said before it is a tiny fraction in an hours-long game. What does it mean if you are so discomfortable with gay men that you can't bare a few minutes of dialogue and refuse to buy the whole game because of that? Flirting happens in real life, it is realistic. You say no, they back down, that's that. [/quote] All I see here is you should play s/s content cause it's only a little.  Then why add any all ? You can just play non s/s content cause you know that's how it's been.  See what I did there ?

[quote]Russalka wrote...
It is a fallacy, but what if every new suggested addition was put behind a toggle? Sexuality should not be something that is equal to gore, deserving to be censored.[/quote]LOL, so now we get to the heart of the matter you want to force your content on me.  Despite it being absent from the previous two games, now that it's being added for the third it's a "fallacy" (how btw please explain) to want the game in the previous form the last two were recieved ?  I think not your completely mistaken.

[quote]Russalka wrote...
Even more fallacy, but this all reeks to me of the things I see in commercials and media. A scantily-clad man is frowned upon in commercials, but nobody really cares if it is a woman. I've heard arguments such as the women in commercials attract men, but women want to liken themselves to them. A lot of sexually undertoned things in public media are catered to the straight male. [/quote]The media has greater issues then how it portrays men and women.

[quote]Russalka wrote...
It is also the opinion I see among really annoying people of how lesbians are hot and totally okay, but gay men should never be shown. This is what the toggle seems to me now. [/quote]I can careless about lesbians and no lesbians are ever portrayed in the game.

[quote]Russalka wrote...
You are privileged already, don't you realise that? The Asari are discount lesbians. Women, but not really. Bisexuals, but not really. All for fan service, for the straight male. And yet I never felt the need to put a toggle on any of that, it didn't even cause any discomfort to me that someone whom I am not attracted to is flirting or putting herself forward. I even explored flirting with Samara just for fun. [/quote] Asari are aliens.  Parthenogenetic aliens.

[quote]Russalka wrote...
The toggle still seems completely unnecessary to me, because one can just say no. And I doubt there will be much flirting going anyway, since the player still has to initiate it first. It didn't seem to be a problem in Mass Effect 2.
[/quote]Because you want to force your s/s content on those not willing to play it.  ME2 doesn't contain any s/s player content to my knowledge. 

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 24 septembre 2011 - 11:33 .

[BatmanPWNS]

Gotta love the threads about Gays. They have to be the most famous ever in BSN.

Modifié par BatmanPWNS, 24 septembre 2011 - 11:23 .

[who would know]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

add a frigging toggle or I won't buy the game.

Yeah, right.

christoffee wrote...

But the last game in the trilogy is an odd place to start.

But better late than never.

Modifié par who would know, 24 septembre 2011 - 11:33 .

[Russalka]

The human perspective is all that matters. Shepard is human, Shepard is attracted to women, Shepard is attracted to the feminine form of the Asari, therefore it counts as a same-sex relationship. It seems ever so weird to ignore all this and refuse the existence of it being at least IMPLIED to be a lesbian relationship.

The Asari are sexually female. Kaidan is surprised to hear that Shepard is
into women. There are more implications on this side. Are relations with the Quarians or Turians not heterosexual, if Garrus and Tali are not human? They are the respective genders of their species.

The player's perspective is important as well. What does the person think who goes through with the relationship with Liara? Would it be "Oh, it's an alien" or "Oh, it's a woman"?

And what do you suggest with the other part? Gay men exist in the setting whether you like it or not. Bioware is going forward that there is a POSSIBILITY that Shepard might turn out gay. Why should the company take a stance that homosexuality is something that supposedly many people do not want to see, because it is icky, and therefore should be put behind a toggle? It is offensive.

Why add it at all? People suggested it. People are also free to suggest toggles. People are free to oppose the insertion of toggles, as you are free to oppose same-sex romances, if the arguments are not offensive.

How is it forcing of content if it is PLAYER INITIATED and only a few moments in a long-long game? People get a lot of things in the game that they do not like, they can complain, but usually it is something more meaningful, like an actual bug or something tedious.  

What I meant by fallacy was that it is incorrect to bring in the argument of "What else shall we put behind toggles". Because it goes to a completely different issue.

Anything can be made into an issue of "forcing". I do not like something and therefore it is forced on me. Do think about others. I just personally don't see why homosexuality should be censored. It is natural, it happens, people flirt, it's normal. Shepard might turn out gay, because he/she is not as fixed as people think he/she is. I have many things I find uncomfortable, but I enjoy it, because the plot throws everything at me, not just happy fan-service.

Mass Effect 2 contains same-sex content. If the Asari are completely not women TO YOU, then there is still Kelly.

But this goes nowhere, because we disagree.

Modifié par Russalka, 24 septembre 2011 - 12:05 .

[whywhywhywhy]

Russalka wrote...

The human perspective is all that matters. Shepard is human, Shepard is attracted to women, Shepard is attracted to the feminine form of the Asari, therefore it counts as a same-sex relationship. It seems ever so
weird to ignore all this and refuse the existence of it being at least IMPLIED to be a lesbian relationship.

Doesn't count as a same sex relationship.  Asari can reproduce. Homosexuals can't.  Thus as I said before it's a Xenosexual relationship.

Russalka wrote...
The Asari are sexually female. Kaidan is surprised to hear that Shepard is
into women. There are more implications on this side. Are relations with the Quarians or Turians not heterosexual, if Garrus and Tali are not human? They are the respective genders of their species.

Shame.  Quarians and Turians have two distinct genders, Males and females.  Sexual reproduction includes a male and female partner.  Thus they cannot be compared to Asari.  A human relationship with a Quarian or Turian would be as follows:  M/FA MA/F
It is unknown if these races practice homosexual relationships within their cultures, and I'm unsure how they view gender outside their own race. If they consider it normal or label it but if I had to I'd call it XenoHomosexual ??  In the end it doesn't matter you you can't compare a monogendered race to a Dual gendered one.

Russalka wrote...
The player's perspective is important as well. What does the person think who goes through with the relationship with Liara? Would it be "Oh, it's an alien" or "Oh, it's a woman"?

who knows that's the point I made before.  For me it's an alien.

Russalka wrote...
And what do you suggest with the other part? Gay men exist in the setting whether you like it or not.

I've seen with each post you try to insert this as the crux of the matter but guess what ?  It isn't. 

Russalka wrote...
Bioware is going forward that there is a POSSIBILITY that Shepard might turn out gay. Why should the company take a stance that homosexuality is something that supposedly many people do not want to see, because it is icky, and therefore should be put behind a toggle? It is offensive.

So it's offensive because I don't want to view s/s content.  Then I say be offended!  For I am offended by all who feel offended for their callous disregard for my lifestyles and beliefs for their own.  I don't call for a removal of the s/s content because it conflicts with my desire for non s/s content playthrough.  But by forcing the content in without a toggle you are offensively replacing my non- s/s content with your own.  Why should I be ok with you wanting to remove my content when I haven't asked for yours to be removed.

Russalka wrote...
Why add it at all? People suggested it. People are also free to suggest toggles. People are free to oppose the insertion of toggles, as you are free to oppose same-sex romances, if you do not offend anyone.

I was being sarcastic.

Russalka wrote...
How is it forcing of content if it is PLAYER INITIATED and only a few moments in a long-long game? People get a lot of things in the game that they do not like, they can complain, but usually it is something more meaningful, like an actual bug or something tedious.

Not intiated by all players and that is key.

Russalka wrote...
Anything can be made into an issue of "forcing". I do not like something and therefore it is forced on me. Do think about others. I just personally don't see why homosexuality should be censored. It is natural, it happens, people flirt, it's normal. Shepard might turn out gay, because he/she is not as fixed as people think he/she is. I have many things I find uncomfortable, but I enjoy it, because the plot throws everything at me, not just happy fan-service.

I'm going to take it on faith that this response is a serious one.  Step back, now look me1 and me2 doesn't have the s/s content that is in ME3.  Can we agree on that much ?

If we agree on that then we can also say when ME3 started development s/s romances weren't part of the game.  Still with me ?  Good.  Now that version of ME3 is gone replaced by the version that includes s/s romances with no option for the prior version.  How is that not being forced on me and others ?  Any inquiries to preserving that original version that's similiar to me1 and ,e2 in that it lacks s/s romances is met with that's offensive, doesn't affect you or just say no everybody is hit on. 

How are you not forcing that viewpoint on me as to what I should feel or how I should approach it ?  When a toggle for the non-s/s romance module resolves this easily why is this met with opposition ?  Because you and others want to force your view and expose me to which I don't want to be exposed. 

If the ME series started with s/s romances I wouldn't have an argument, I wouldn't care I would have known before hand what I was getting into.  Adding it in at this stage is a blindsight.

Russalka wrote...
Mass Effect 2 contains same-sex content. If the Asari are completely not women TO YOU, then there is still Kelly.

Dinner, sitting in a lap and a dance is s/s content ??  Maybe if they were eating tacos of a certain hue sure you'd be correct but that was never shown and again I don't play the female Shepard.  Your disregarding facts to try and prove your point.

Russalka wrote...
But this goes nowhere, because we disagree.

I disagree it's because we disagree that we have much to talk about.  If your implying you will be closed minded then your correct.

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 24 septembre 2011 - 12:18 .

[ElitePinecone]

This thread is entirely pointless. There will be s/s options in ME3, there won't be a toggle and you can choose to avoid it if you wish.

If you think that's forcing anything, grow up and stop being so ridiculously sensitive. There are better things in this world to be offended by than a few lines of dialogue that you may or may not be able to skip in a video game. Seriously.

[Russalka]

All I am saying that everything is only your viewpoint, it does not make it a fact. The Asari can be viewed as females by some, it being a same-sex relationship with them. The alien relationships can be viewed as heterosexual by the players. Some things matter more to some than others.

It might seem as a removal to you, but to me it is an addition. Options that I do not personally find disgusting in any way. There is nothing with Mass Effect that I think deserves a toggle to be removed. It becomes offensive when there are implications that homosexuality DESERVES censorship.

It is same-sex content, if people flirt, if people have dinner, if the person dances provocatively. It does not mean it has to get to having sex. To me, it is also same-sex content, when a woman and a feminine alien get romantic.

I do not claim that I am absolutely correct in these things, but for now, I stand by my viewpoint. There is very little point in arguing, that is what I mean, as it serves no other purpose than to vent, not reach a productive conclusion. Our opinions are too different. I really do not understand what you mean by your last sentence.

Your ideas and viewpoints can be valid, as can be mine. Bioware has apparently already decided though. Feel free to keep suggesting, as long as it is constructive, not going on a tirade on who has got a more valid viewpoint.  The fictional universe is too ambiguous for there to be a definite answer, the writers and the developers decide.

Modifié par Russalka, 24 septembre 2011 - 01:10 .

[whywhywhywhy]

Russalka wrote...
All I am saying that everything is only your viewpoint, it does not make it a fact. The Asari can be viewed as females by some, it being a same-sex relationship with them. The alien relationships can be viewed as heterosexual by the players. Some things matter more to some than others.

In ME lore:
Asari are monogendered aliens.  FACT
Being monogendered they lack a defined female/male gender role that humans have.  FACT
As aliens are incapable of have same Lesbian relationships with humans.  FACT

The only opinions I see are yours.

Russalka wrote...
It might seem as a removal to you, but to me it is an addition.

It's not a removal or addition, it's a replacement.  An addition would mean it's added along side it, toggle.

Russalka wrote...
Options that I do not personally find disgusting in any way. There is nothing with Mass Effect that I think deserves a toggle to be removed. It becomes offensive when there are implications that homosexuality DESERVES censorship.

So by that definition male shep and female shep is also censorship ? Cause the male or female character is definately a toggle.  So now we're calling it censorship, doesn't end does it ?  So by choosing to play a male character am I censoring female characters ?  No your argument is utterly ridiculous!

Russalka wrote...
It is same-sex content, if people flirt, if people have dinner, if the person dances provocatively. It does not mean it has to get to having sex. To me, it is also same-sex content, when a woman and a feminine alien get romantic.

noted.  Still says little.

Russalka wrote...
I do not claim that I am absolutely correct in these things, but for now, I stand by my viewpoint, as do you. There is very little point in arguing, that is what I mean, as it serves no other purpose than to vent, not reach a productive conclusion. Our opinions are too different. I really do not understand what you mean by your last sentence.

Translation.  Your so eager to force your desired gameplay/content on others you don't care.  FYI  that can make some people resentful and is what causes a divide. You claim this exchange serves no purpose yet you keep responding with your hyperbole.   I'm more then content not to respond to you if that's what your asking.

[Russalka]

I still think that the nature of the Asari can be seen in different ways. Doesn't monogender mean "one gender", the gender therefore being female? Facts in a fictional world can not be equal to what we see in the real world as facts, as the fictional world is bound to change and many things are open to interpretation.

Shepard being male or female is a different thing. As male or female, one can experience any sort of relationships or flirtation from those who are attracted to Shepard. What you are rooting for is turning off certain parts of certain characters, turning off the attraction which is written in, just because you PERSONALLY dislike it. Or at least it seems that way to me.

I do not force anything, I offered a viewpoint. You can agree or disagree, but I have a right to it and it is valid, as is yours. I keep saying this serves no purpose, because what we say will not change anything. Bioware has a plan and is sticking to it. What we say now is just venting, not constructive discussion.

Modifié par Russalka, 24 septembre 2011 - 01:46 .

[shepskisaac]

whinewhinewhinewhine wrote...

In ME lore:
Asari are monogendered aliens.  FACT
Being monogendered they lack a defined female/male gender role that humans have.  FACT
As aliens are incapable of have same Lesbian relationships with humans.  FACT

They ****ing look like women. F-A-C-T. You whinewhinewhinewhine only because you don't like two guys together F-A-C-T. This entire "give me toggle!!!11" utter bullcrap was nowhere to be seen when we had FemShep sleeping with half of asari population and human Kelly. But surprise surprise, when male s/s romances are introduced, all the whiners are crawling out their dark hating caves, trying to dress up in pretty "don't force this on me!!!11" clothes and demand a toggle just because they have problems with the gays. That's all this is about.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 24 septembre 2011 - 02:10 .

[Xilizhra]

I admit to being highly amused by the kerfuffle that some people are making over this, as if somehow their own straight romance options were being removed. Or bringing up the Anders scenario like one badly played line of dialogue was some sort of hideous catastrophe.

[DialupToaster]

lol! is it the same person making these repeat threads? Dude this has been covered they said no. In fact some people felt insulted. Might want to give it a rest, just saying...

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LOLZAO wrote...

Oh this again

Person 1:i wish that it had a toggle for this homosexual thing.

Person 2:but it´s homophobic because BLBLABLANOTOGLESFOROTHERTHINGSBLBLABLA.

Person 1:but it´s just a Toggle it´s not homophobic because BlablaBLABLAblabla....blabla...BLABLA.

Random person 1:I am homophobic and i want the toggle Because as i said i hate the gay and don´t want they in my game because the curiosity might get the better of me and then i will be gay because i talked to a gay guy in the game.

Me:this again.

Random person 2:you all posting in TROLL thread. LOLZS

Random person 3:I like where this is going(ship going to storm image)

Random dramatic person 1: You are all gay for just accepting that there is gay people in the game.

Random dramatic person 2:You are all homophobic for not being gay.

Moderator: this has to stop.
                   Or
Stanley Woo:End of the line.

^This