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[Balgin Stondraeg]

The novels are prequels.



As far as I can tell many of the origin stories weave together nicely. In the Dwarf Commoner origin, the player character becomes involved in a certain scandalous event which an npc or two mention, and discuss, in the dwarf noble origin. Also a minor, incidental, npc in the noble origin is the commoner player character's sister. I suspect I may be seeing her later as well. I wouldn't be surprised if various other origin stories had linking elements.

[Cuthlan]

Having played all of them... I agree on Human Noble, if they pick a canon.

[Joel171]

There is going to have to be some sort of canon if there is going to be a continuation of the plot. What happens if the next game is based off Morrigan and the "god child"? In one of my play throughs I told Morrigan to stuff her ritual in her swampy area. If that were the only one I did, how would the God child have come into play? Especially if they say the child came from the PC. That doesn't make sense. If you want a continuation of the story in any way, shape, or form, you're going to have to have some sort of Canon.

[frokenscheim]

Joel171 wrote...

There is going to have to be some sort of canon if there is going to be a continuation of the plot. What happens if the next game is based off Morrigan and the "god child"? In one of my play throughs I told Morrigan to stuff her ritual in her swampy area. If that were the only one I did, how would the God child have come into play? Especially if they say the child came from the PC. That doesn't make sense. If you want a continuation of the story in any way, shape, or form, you're going to have to have some sort of Canon.

That depends entirely on how much ambiguity the writers are willing to inject into the story. Maybe she wen't off and successfully seduced Alistair or Loghain after you snubbed her. Maybe we'll be told only that the child was sired by a grey warden, or maybe the child's origins will be so murky we can't even be sure exactly where it came from. Or maybe there won't even be a child, or maybe the ritual didn't work like it was supposed to; there are many ways the writers could avoid nailing themselves to a particular continuity.

[sylkwyrm1]

if it happens elsewhere or a long time in the past, all you're gonna know is rumours from far off places or historical texts, each of which can easily be interchangable depending on your choices

[Drider-man]

Human noble is obviously the canon, since the acquistion of Dog is built into your origin story, as opposed to all the other origins where its just some random mutt you pick up

[Joel171]

sylkwyrm1 wrote...

if it happens elsewhere or a long time in the past, all you're gonna know is rumours from far off places or historical texts, each of which can easily be interchangable depending on your choices

I would imagine since the game is set in the Dragon Age, and the Franchise is called Dragon Age, that the next game will be within 80 years of the first game. Otherwise, it won't be in the Dragon Age.


And to the poster above the quoted post, that would be a little too ambiguous and would barely be able to call itself a continuation of the first story. Or at least, in my opinion.

[sylkwyrm1]

didn't realise they'd released anything saying how long the dragon age will last or that other parts of the world were off-limits, my bad.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Dalish elf is obviously the canon, since it has the most believable reason to force the PC into becoming a Grey Warden.

City Elf is obviously the canon, since the riots in the alienage always happen in every playthrough on account of Vaughan's actions.

Mage is obviously canon, since Jowan can't escape into the basement without your mage's help in getting a rod of fire.


See where this is going? You people and your canon. Tis quite amusing.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 22 novembre 2009 - 02:15 .

[sylkwyrm1]

all those things happen, meaning jowan gets some harrowed mage to help him, vaughan still causes a riot yada yada yada, the one who unites the people and slays the archdemon can only be -one- of them, you character did not help jowan if the grey warden hero is dalish, but someone else did.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

I know. They all happen.



My point is that they're all valid to the PC, so there is no "obvious" canon, like some people suggest by throwing Human Noble at everybody.

[Orogun01]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Dalish elf is obviously the canon, since it has the most believable reason to force the PC into becoming a Grey Warden.

City Elf is obviously the canon, since the riots in the alienage always happen in every playthrough on account of Vaughan's actions.

Mage is obviously canon, since Jowan can't escape into the basement without your mage's help in getting a rod of fire.


See where this is going? You people and your canon. Tis quite amusing.

But without Duncan's presence the PC would usually end up dead in all origins; at least the ones I have played. So the question is where was Duncan?

[frokenscheim]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

I know. They all happen.

My point is that they're all valid to the PC, so there is no "obvious" canon, like some people suggest by throwing Human Noble at everybody.

People are just saying "human noble" because they suffer from a lack of imagination.

[sylkwyrm1]

duncan was rescuing the warden who becomes the hero.

for example if you're dalish whoever helped jowan probably got tranquilised or killed by the templars. all those things happened, but duncan was only there to save the one.

the question is, perhaps, who according to canon did duncan save

Modifié par sylkwyrm1, 22 novembre 2009 - 02:26 .

[Maria Caliban]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Funny, if I was to come up with a canon it would easily be a lesbian Dalish elf with Leliana who puts Anora on the throne. Now that's smooth.

Bisexual Cousland warrior who ended up with both Leliana and Zevran, killed Flemeth, performed the Dark Ritual, did everything 'good' (except she forgot to kill a certain high-dragon) and put Anora on the throne.

Smooth? It's like a slip and slide all the way to the ending.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

frokenscheim wrote...

People are just saying "human noble" because they suffer from a lack of imagination.

So it seems. In fact, if I were to play devil's advocate, I'd say that the "evidence" present actually suggests human noble wouldn't be canon. 5 out of 6 origins say the dog is at Ostagar. The human noble forces the dog to be at highever and is thusly the odd man out and the most inconsistent.
The whole thing is silly. Just play the game and enjoy what you play. There is no need for canon. 

Maria Caliban wrote...

Bisexual Cousland warrior who
ended up with both Leliana and Zevran, killed Flemeth, performed the
Dark Ritual, did everything 'good' (except she forgot to kill a certain
high-dragon) and put Anora on the throne.

Smooth? It's like a slip and slide all the way to the ending.

A slip and slide made of sandpaper and made slippery by molasses!!
I actually did much the same, except I only romanced Zevran on a 10 minute alternate reality save load, and was a Dalish rogue. :happy:

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 22 novembre 2009 - 02:30 .

[sylkwyrm1]

agreed, there is no real value in speculating at such an early point, aside from it being another opportunity to discuss the game we all love, there is no cannon and if they do the sequels well, there never will be.

[Fishy]

No

The canon it's a Dwarf thug tapping leliana and Moriggan an having sex with Zevran and a three some ... Killing everything on his path and mocking alistair because he's virgin while he **** everything on the camp.

[Maria Caliban]

Joel171 wrote...

What happens if the next game is based off Morrigan and the "god child"?

Well, I know that if you play a male PC who doesn't romance Morrigan or a female PC that doesn't romance Alistiar, Morrigan and Alistiar are lovers before the Landsmeet.

[Fishy]

Most likely human noble.it's seem the most realistic .. I simply don't imagine a lesbian dwarf working for the grey warden and saving the world.

[Randy1012]

sylkwyrm1 wrote...

didn't realise they'd released anything saying how long the dragon age will last or that other parts of the world were off-limits, my bad.

It's stated in the Codex that every age in Thedas lasts for one hundred years. In the ninety-ninth year of a particular age, the Chantry decides on some sort of portent or major event to determine the name of the next age. The last age was the Blessed Age, and the Dragon Age was originally going to be called the Sun Age, because of the Orlesian Empire's ascendance (the sun being the symbol of Orlais). However, this changed when Ferelden won its freedom and a High Dragon was spotted for the first time in apparently a long time, and so the Sun Age became the Dragon Age.

The Dragon Age is the ninth age since the founding of the Chantry. The game takes place in 9:30 Dragon. The calendar doesn't entirely make sense to me. 9:30 means the thirtieth year of the ninth age (the Dragon Age), but that seems a little redudant. I think it would have made more sense if the first number were the month, and the second number the year, followed by the name of the age.

Modifié par Randy1083, 22 novembre 2009 - 02:38 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Suprez30 wrote...

Most likely human noble.it's seem the most realistic .. I simply don't imagine a lesbian dwarf working for the grey warden and saving the world.

frokenscheim wrote...

People are just saying "human noble" because they suffer from a lack of imagination.

*giggles*

[Maria Caliban]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

There is no need for canon.

I will point out that in BioWare's last game (Mass Effect) there is a canon Shepard. Lucas Arts provided one for Knights as well, and BG has a novelization about the main character. If people seem insistent that there is canon, it's likely because experience has lead them to expect it.

[sylkwyrm1]

as for the god-child, with the whole choices have consequences thing (they do! honestly) if you have the god child it could just be a part of the story or turn out to be behind everything as another end game boss, not really affecting to story beyond things that could be said here and there and an extra encounter, or perhaps just a side quest. *shrugs*

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I will point out that in BioWare's last game (Mass Effect) there is a canon Shepard. Lucas Arts provided one for Knights as well, and BG has a novelization about the main character. If people seem insistent that there is canon, it's likely because experience has lead them to expect it.

There is no canon Shepard.
There is an advertisement Shepard who is a Dutch supermodel, but not a canon.