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[Omega4RelayResident]

marshalleck wrote...

Phaedon is a tool, I don't care what his thread says. The FACT that Phaedon isn't telling you is that Bioware have never said "ME3 will not have multiplayer." When ever asked directly they bluff and dodge and misdirect, thusly:

Q: will ME3 have multiplayer?
A: ME3 will have excellent story!

Honestly, who do they think they're fooling? Other than mindless fans who just believe anything they're told whether it makes sense or not.

Okay...

You are then under the opinion that there might be one because they dodge the issue? Ok fine your opinion.

I do not think there will be multiplayer... my opinion.

It doesnt change the fact that you approach a conversational topic like a damn Krogan under the effects of bloodrage.
Civil conversation goes a long way. If someone gets snipy with me I will be defensive but I didnt walk in like king**** of the mountain yelling garbage like "BLARGH MORONS AND TOOLS!"

Is it so hard to say... no I dont think so... or... yes I think so.... and calmly discuss the reasons why?

[shepskisaac]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

Way to late in the development cycle for ME 3.

Multiplayer functionality needs to be considered, developed, and designed along with the rest of game from the beginning, not later in the development cycle.

The job offer is not for multiplayer designer or developer, but for a tester of the already developed & designed systems. And then again, one of the ME3 MP rumors mentioned post-launch MP via DLC.

[marshalleck]

littlezack wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Anyways, as they say, where there's smoke there's usually fire, and it seems the evidence is mounting! Something's up with Mass Effect 3 and some sort of multiplayer, either at launch or as DLC.

Now, come on, Marsh, really - for all our differences in opinion, I do consider you to be an intelligent man.

Evidence mounting? Really?

Well thank you for that. And yes, I do think something is going on with ME3 and multiplayer. I find it extremely suspicious that Bioware refuse to simply say "ME3 will not have multiplayer" just like when rumors started heating up about PS3 ME2, they kept doing this:

Q: is ME2 coming to the Playstation 3?
A: ME2 is available on Xbox 360 and PC. 

It's really transparent, though it can easily be read by someone expecting a negative response as confirmation of their expectation. It's basic PR/marketing. 

[marshalleck]

Seboist wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Anyways, as they say, where there's smoke there's usually fire, and it seems the evidence is mounting! Something's up with Mass Effect 3 and some sort of multiplayer, either at launch or as DLC.

When I'm hosting a team deatchmatch game you better show up or else you're getting kicked out of the Cerberus blood brotherhood.

You better believe it! BSN TDM go! 

We need to start Team Vorcha.

[Urazz]

didymos1120 wrote...

It's not even the middle of a project. It's more like at the end of a project. They're in the home stretch at this point, as various posts on twitter recently have made clear.

More like the 2/3 of the way through a project.  They are probably far enough through that they probably are done with major logistics of the game and won't be able to add in mutliplayer without putting the project back 6 months at least.

[Sebby]

marshalleck wrote...

Seboist wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Anyways, as they say, where there's smoke there's usually fire, and it seems the evidence is mounting! Something's up with Mass Effect 3 and some sort of multiplayer, either at launch or as DLC.

When I'm hosting a team deatchmatch game you better show up or else you're getting kicked out of the Cerberus blood brotherhood.

You better believe it! BSN TDM go! 

We need to start Team Vorcha.

I got dibs on Shisk, you'll be that other Vorcha that hands out with him.

[marshalleck]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Phaedon is a tool, I don't care what his thread says. The FACT that Phaedon isn't telling you is that Bioware have never said "ME3 will not have multiplayer." When ever asked directly they bluff and dodge and misdirect, thusly:

Q: will ME3 have multiplayer?
A: ME3 will have excellent story!

Honestly, who do they think they're fooling? Other than mindless fans who just believe anything they're told whether it makes sense or not.

Okay...

You are then under the opinion that there might be one because they dodge the issue? Ok fine your opinion.

I do not think there will be multiplayer... my opinion.

It doesnt change the fact that you approach a conversational topic like a damn Krogan under the effects of bloodrage.
Civil conversation goes a long way. If someone gets snipy with me I will be defensive but I didnt walk in like king**** of the mountain yelling garbage like "BLARGH MORONS AND TOOLS!"

Is it so hard to say... no I dont think so... or... yes I think so.... and calmly discuss the reasons why?

I am an honorary krogan. i don't talk, I charge first and ask questions later.

[Epic777]

marshalleck wrote...

Anyways, as they say, where there's smoke there's usually fire, and it seems the evidence is mounting! Something's up with Mass Effect 3 and some sort of multiplayer, either at launch or as DLC.

I see the opposite.
There could be multi-player: true. The oppsite is also true: it may be a urban legend of zelda. However, the evidence for multiplayer is on the wane. The only evidence are rumors nothing concrete, no leaked images or videos, nada. For such a big feature it would be an engima for bioware to not announce it at any big video conference.

[Kaiser Shepard]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

It's free publicity. I wouldn't be surprised if it's in ME3; the non-answers do make me suspicious. But they don't make me automatically believe the opposite.

It sort of comes with following the industry long enough, just think back to the ME2 development period:

"...a geth companion named Legion." > "He's no companion, he'll be stalking Shepard throughout the game." > Appearance in the enemies trailer

Now, which did we get in the actual game? Were you honestly surprised?

And then there's the ME2 on PS3 example Marahall just gave.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 11 septembre 2011 - 04:00 .

[marshalleck]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...
Dont talk to me like that youre not my god....

If you bothered to read the entire thred you would see that I did also state that Phedon still has it confirmed that ME3 multiplayer was a rummor. When you decided to walk in half way through the conversation and put your 2 cents in I was offering possibilities for those people that apparently cant let go of the fact that ME will have MP in their perceptions. ME3 will in no way have MP... the only way they would do that if its a DLC months after the game comes out... In the highly unlikely scenario that they will do a MP it would be this case.

L2ReadBeforeYouTearPeoplesHeadsOff

Phaedon is a tool, I don't care what his thread says. The FACT that Phaedon isn't telling you is that Bioware have never said "ME3 will not have multiplayer." When ever asked directly they bluff and dodge and misdirect, thusly:

Q: will ME3 have multiplayer?
A: ME3 will have excellent story!

Honestly, who do they think they're fooling? Other than mindless fans who just believe anything they're told whether it makes sense or not.

It's free publicity. I wouldn't be surprised if it's in ME3; the non-answers do make me suspicious. But they don't make me automatically believe the opposite.

it is free publicity, but at the same time, allowing unfounded rumors to hype like that could be damaging to the brand when the game releases without MP. Which is why I think if it were absolutely ironclad that ME3 wasn't going to have MP, they'd come right out and say so unambiguously. It's one thing to build hype, another entirely to set oneself up for disaster.

[didymos1120]

IsaacShep wrote...


The job offer is not for multiplayer designer or developer, but for a tester of the already developed & designed systems. And then again, one of the ME3 MP rumors mentioned post-launch MP via DLC.

The stuff the person would still have to implement is substantial.  Testing systems and procedures don't just spring forth fully-formed from nowhere.  It still seems rather late to be hiring someone for this.  "6 months" may sound like plenty of time, but it's really not, and especially not when you're talking about having to deal with three different platforms with three different ways of handling net functionality.

Modifié par didymos1120, 11 septembre 2011 - 04:06 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

marshalleck wrote...

 I am an honorary krogan. i don't talk, I charge first and ask questions later.

Good to know...

Or BW realized that by avoiding the answer to a question they are allowing us to hype each other up for something that they never promissed... so they wont feel the need to actually deliver on. The hype its self will increase pre-orders.

As much as I would like to say that they care if you have fun or not with the game sales still are number one.
Good and clever marketing boosts sales. The quality of the product will sell it self after that.

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 11 septembre 2011 - 04:04 .

[marshalleck]

didymos1120 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...


The job offer is not for multiplayer designer or developer, but for a tester of the already developed & designed systems. And then again, one of the ME3 MP rumors mentioned post-launch MP via DLC.

The stuff the person would still have to implement is substantial.  Testing systems and procedures don't just spring forth fully-formed from nowhere.  It's still seems rather late to be hiring someone for this.  "6 months" may sound like plenty of time, but it's really not, and especially when you're talking about having to deal with three different platforms with three different ways of handling net functionality.

Didymos, come on. You're well informed, you know as well as I do that they posted a job for MP dev/engineer to work on the Mass Effect property over a year ago. 

The opening also got pulled pretty quickly, but whether that's due to it being filled or to plug a leak is anyone's guess. I do think it's revealing that now a year later they want to bring on a multiplayer QA tester.

Modifié par marshalleck, 11 septembre 2011 - 04:05 .

[littlezack]

We're really doing this again? AGAIN?

For the past three months, every few weeks or so, somebody will post some random ass thing. A misquote, a bad article, one line from something written years ago...and everybody in their mother gets a dander about it. And it turns out to be nothing.

If it's in, it's in; if it's not, it's not, but good Lord, wait until you actually have something concrete to be mad about. A picture, a snippet, something. Are we really going to the exact. Same. Thing. Again?

[marshalleck]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 I am an honorary krogan. i don't talk, I charge first and ask questions later.

Good to know...

Or BW realized that by avoiding the answer to a question they are allowing us to hype each other up for something that they never promissed... so they wont feel the need to actually deliver on. The hype its self will increase pre-orders.

As much as I would like to say that they care if you have fun or not with the game sales still are number one.
Good and clever marketing boosts sales. The quality of the product will sell it self after that.

Well as I said earlier, such a strategy could turn around and bite them badly when a bunch of enraged players discover the hyped feature is non-existant.

[didymos1120]

marshalleck wrote...
 Didymos, come on. You're well informed, you know as well as I do that they posted a job for MP dev/engineer to work on the Mass Effect property over a year ago. 

I could see it being for an ME3 DLC, but in the main game at release? Still think it's too late in development for that to make sense.

[littlezack]

marshalleck wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 I am an honorary krogan. i don't talk, I charge first and ask questions later.

Good to know...

Or BW realized that by avoiding the answer to a question they are allowing us to hype each other up for something that they never promissed... so they wont feel the need to actually deliver on. The hype its self will increase pre-orders.

As much as I would like to say that they care if you have fun or not with the game sales still are number one.
Good and clever marketing boosts sales. The quality of the product will sell it self after that.

Well as I said earlier, such a strategy could turn around and bite them badly when a bunch of enraged players discover the hyped feature is non-existant.

I'm sure Bioware lives in fear over the threat of enraged forum posters.

[shepskisaac]

didymos1120 wrote...


The stuff the person would still have to implement is substantial.  Testing systems and procedures don't just spring forth fully-formed from nowhere.  It's still seems rather late to be hiring someone for this.  "6 months" may sound like plenty of time, but it's really not, and especially not when you're talking about having to deal with three different platforms with three different ways of handling net functionality.

People get fired, move onto other projects/companies. Just because the job ad was posted now doesn't mean they didn't need or haven't been already using MP tester(s) earlier.

Honesly, Unreal Engine 3 mention is the biggest hint to me. No other BioWare game uses it and we haven't heared even smallest rumors about any possible unnanounced game from BW that could potentially use it. All Edmonton teams are busy ether on DA2 DLC/DA3 (no Unreal Engine) or ME3 + DLC (Unreal Engine). It may be a spin-off, or some form of a component/expansion to ME3 released later on (maybe even half a year later), but it's hard for me to believe we won't see anything ME-multiplayer within a year. And in the end, there's still no simple "there won't be MP in ME3 in any form" answer/statement.

[Epic777]

Why not announce it any major conferences?

[Omega4RelayResident]

marshalleck wrote...

Well as I said earlier, such a strategy could turn around and bite them badly when a bunch of enraged players discover the hyped feature is non-existant.

 Respecfully... how could it? They never promised us anything... we hyped ourselves up. We are to blame.

Also allow me to be rather blunt... enraged gamers doesnt mean diddly... people were enraged over Halo 2.... they still bought Halo 3.

Its like being pissed off at your crack dealer.... youre still gonna buy from him though. LOLZ

[Omega4RelayResident]

Epic777 wrote...

Why not announce it any major conferences?

Epic777 makes a good point.... the big gamecons are over.... they have no other huge marketing outlet to use.

Not unless they buy up all the advertisement time on G4 and send send out a news letter.

[marshalleck]

littlezack wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 I am an honorary krogan. i don't talk, I charge first and ask questions later.

Good to know...

Or BW realized that by avoiding the answer to a question they are allowing us to hype each other up for something that they never promissed... so they wont feel the need to actually deliver on. The hype its self will increase pre-orders.

As much as I would like to say that they care if you have fun or not with the game sales still are number one.
Good and clever marketing boosts sales. The quality of the product will sell it self after that.

Well as I said earlier, such a strategy could turn around and bite them badly when a bunch of enraged players discover the hyped feature is non-existant.

I'm sure Bioware lives in fear over the threat of enraged forum posters.

Except it would go a bit beyond just angry BSN forumites considering by now how many times this rumor has seen print in gaming publications.