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[CroGamer002]

^I'm sure Cerberus had big role in trilogy from start.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

ThePwener wrote...


EDIT: The only thing left is for the Reapers to have Indoctrinated each other. Wouldn't that be a twist......

I KNEW IT!!!!

[didymos1120]

Mesina2 wrote...

^I'm sure Cerberus had big role in trilogy from start.

There was supposed to be a lot more extensive quest chain involving Cerberus in ME1 that got cut:

Mac Walters: There were whole plots of mine that were cut for Mass Effect 1. I originally came up with the whole Cerberus plot line, which has a bigger role in Mass Effect 2. You join the Illusive Man and his group. There was a whole global plot, a plot that spanned many worlds involving Cerberus in Mass Effect 1 that we ended up cutting. A few hints of that plot remained, and that’s what we built on for ME2. The plot was completely gone and the characters were gone. We built so much around the Illusive Man for ME2.

[Sebby]

That really explains why Cerberus had such minimal development in ME1 and why the "super soldier" sub-plot went nowhere.

[SkittlesKat96]

didymos1120 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^I'm sure Cerberus had big role in trilogy from start.

There was supposed to be a lot more extensive quest chain involving Cerberus in ME1 that got cut:

Mac Walters: There were whole plots of mine that were cut for Mass Effect 1. I originally came up with the whole Cerberus plot line, which has a bigger role in Mass Effect 2. You join the Illusive Man and his group. There was a whole global plot, a plot that spanned many worlds involving Cerberus in Mass Effect 1 that we ended up cutting. A few hints of that plot remained, and that’s what we built on for ME2. The plot was completely gone and the characters were gone. We built so much around the Illusive Man for ME2.

I remember that. Originally it was meant to be in the game but they cut that, then they decided to put it in DLC but they cut that too and then they finally decided to put it into ME 2.

Still pretty interesting that the music for the DLC survived though and iirc Sam also hinted (in his Twitter I think?) that Cerberus/TIM was meant to betray you in the ME 1 content and that would be part of the reasoning as to why you are so skeptical to join them in ME 2

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 11 septembre 2011 - 09:33 .

[JimiShep]

Seboist wrote...

That really explains why Cerberus had such minimal development in ME1 and why the "super soldier" sub-plot went nowhere.

I still really want the Super Soldier thing to happen in ME3 with all of these indoctrinated Cerberus troops. Alas it might not be so

[rpgfan321]

 Well during MY debriefing at the end, his face lit up all bright like his head was a lamp. (a lighting issue I know )
:lol:

But if his role is not any bigger than already is (a bossy ... boss?) Admiral Hackett is the old, old man with a sore back. 

Seriously all he does is: Shepard do this ... do that ... do all the work ... 

[Golden Owl]

el master pr wrote...

I disagree with the indoctrinated Hackett theory. Something tells me Hackett really had no idea what Kenson was up to. He knew that she had found irrefutable evidence against the Reapers, which is why he contacted Shepard specifically. I may be wrong, however.

As for the graybox, its contents have been discussed in other threats. Visual evidence has been shown that it contained pictures of a Reaper, apparently Sovereign. This leads me to believe that it contains details about Dr. Shu Qian's research into said Reaper. Should this be true, you are right!

As a rabid, raging, one-eyed fan of Admiral Hackett myself.......only event's in ME3 could ever convince me he has been anything but straight up with Shep.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 12 septembre 2011 - 03:28 .

[JimiShep]

Golden Owl wrote...

el master pr wrote...

I disagree with the indoctrinated Hackett theory. Something tells me Hackett really had no idea what Kenson was up to. He knew that she had found irrefutable evidence against the Reapers, which is why he contacted Shepard specifically. I may be wrong, however.

As for the graybox, its contents have been discussed in other threats. Visual evidence has been shown that it contained pictures of a Reaper, apparently Sovereign. This leads me to believe that it contains details about Dr. Shu Qian's research into said Reaper. Should this be true, you are right!

As a rabid, raging, one-eyed fan of Admiral Hackett myself.......only event's in ME3 could ever convince me he has been anything but straight up with Shep.

The funny this is... I love Adm. Hackett too! I really do! He has a great voice actor and so far an interesting story. This whole Theory really came out of looking outside of the events... I don't truely agree that he is indocrinated, but it would be an interesting plot twist in the seires.

[Gabey5]

tl;dr

[Golden Owl]

JimiShep wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

el master pr wrote...

I disagree with the indoctrinated Hackett theory. Something tells me Hackett really had no idea what Kenson was up to. He knew that she had found irrefutable evidence against the Reapers, which is why he contacted Shepard specifically. I may be wrong, however.

As for the graybox, its contents have been discussed in other threats. Visual evidence has been shown that it contained pictures of a Reaper, apparently Sovereign. This leads me to believe that it contains details about Dr. Shu Qian's research into said Reaper. Should this be true, you are right!

As a rabid, raging, one-eyed fan of Admiral Hackett myself.......only event's in ME3 could ever convince me he has been anything but straight up with Shep.

The funny this is... I love Adm. Hackett too! I really do! He has a great voice actor and so far an interesting story. This whole Theory really came out of looking outside of the events... I don't truely agree that he is indocrinated, but it would be an interesting plot twist in the seires.

I did enjoy reading your OP Jimi and can see the thought put into it and yes, it possibly would make an interesting plot twist....but ANYONE barring Hackett or Hendel....PLEASE!........

[JimiShep]

Golden Owl wrote...

JimiShep wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

el master pr wrote...

I disagree with the indoctrinated Hackett theory. Something tells me Hackett really had no idea what Kenson was up to. He knew that she had found irrefutable evidence against the Reapers, which is why he contacted Shepard specifically. I may be wrong, however.

As for the graybox, its contents have been discussed in other threats. Visual evidence has been shown that it contained pictures of a Reaper, apparently Sovereign. This leads me to believe that it contains details about Dr. Shu Qian's research into said Reaper. Should this be true, you are right!

As a rabid, raging, one-eyed fan of Admiral Hackett myself.......only event's in ME3 could ever convince me he has been anything but straight up with Shep.

The funny this is... I love Adm. Hackett too! I really do! He has a great voice actor and so far an interesting story. This whole Theory really came out of looking outside of the events... I don't truely agree that he is indocrinated, but it would be an interesting plot twist in the seires.

I did enjoy reading your OP Jimi and can see the thought put into it and yes, it possibly would make an interesting plot twist....but ANYONE barring Hackett or Hendel....PLEASE!........

Thank you, really! It took me half a day to write this darn thing! Not be used as fact but to open up some more intersting ideas

[Golden Owl]

JimiShep wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

JimiShep wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

el master pr wrote...

I disagree with the indoctrinated Hackett theory. Something tells me Hackett really had no idea what Kenson was up to. He knew that she had found irrefutable evidence against the Reapers, which is why he contacted Shepard specifically. I may be wrong, however.

As for the graybox, its contents have been discussed in other threats. Visual evidence has been shown that it contained pictures of a Reaper, apparently Sovereign. This leads me to believe that it contains details about Dr. Shu Qian's research into said Reaper. Should this be true, you are right!

As a rabid, raging, one-eyed fan of Admiral Hackett myself.......only event's in ME3 could ever convince me he has been anything but straight up with Shep.

The funny this is... I love Adm. Hackett too! I really do! He has a great voice actor and so far an interesting story. This whole Theory really came out of looking outside of the events... I don't truely agree that he is indocrinated, but it would be an interesting plot twist in the seires.

I did enjoy reading your OP Jimi and can see the thought put into it and yes, it possibly would make an interesting plot twist....but ANYONE barring Hackett or Hendel....PLEASE!........

Thank you, really! It took me half a day to write this darn thing! Not be used as fact but to open up some more intersting ideas

Anytime Jimi....Keep posting your inspirations and interesting ideas...I'll keep an eye out for them.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 12 septembre 2011 - 04:00 .

[Saberchic]

I'm not sure about Hackett being indoctrinated, but during the Arrival debriefing, I got suspicious of him. He basically refuses to look at the report and then says that Shep better be ready to be the sacrificial lamb. It looked to me like he was trying to distance himself like crazy.

I truly felt like the one person left who had believed in me from my old life had just abandoned me.  Also, I'm pretty sure the Alliance knew what was going on with Rho, but Shep just happened to be good timing for them to cover up this ginormous blunder. (For the record, I don't think Hackett knew exactly, he just wanted Shep to rescue a friend.) Yep, Shep is the perfect scapegoat.

And I'm truly wondering how the beginning of ME3 is going to play out because while my paragon may turn herself in, my renegade will basically only be there if they catch him. He's got reapers to stop. He doesn't have time to go to their mockery of a trial.

[JimiShep]

Golden Owl- Do you think Hackett will support Shepard at the trial? This could open a whole new ave...

[Golden Owl]

JimiShep wrote...

Golden Owl- Do you think Hackett will support Shepard at the trial? This could open a whole new ave...

I am thinking Hackett may have quite an influence on Sheps trial...and Anderson too if he is also an Admiral at that point...which from what I understand he will be. From what I understand, I think Hackett may hold a lot of power and respect and it is an Alliance Court Shep will be attending.

For all my love of Hackett, I do think his not taking Sheps report was not an entirely smart move...was he just demonstrating his faith in Shep?...I'm not sure....But from a Militiristic point of view I think Hackett should have received the report there and then to follow correct protocol and procedure....Though then again he may not have accepted it, because it being Shep at the scene and being the one responsible is still very shakey on proof in itself....a covert personal favor (off the records) asked on Hackett's behalf of Shep and Shep never gave his name on the com link when he tried to warn the Batarians...I believe those are points worth remembering....Plus how clean does Hackett look if it comes out that he sent Shep on this mission in the first place?

I'm thinking Hackett may in fact try to fleece the Alliance into throwing into serious question as to whether Shep was even involved....yes, that would be somewhat under handed on Hackett's behalf and remains nothing but speculation until ME3...I don't know, but I am convinned Hackett is up to something to have Shep walk out of the whole mess a free man, untarnished.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 13 septembre 2011 - 01:48 .

[marshalleck]

Hackett didn't take the report because he's a good Cerberus blood brother, and he'll run cover for Shep to the bitter end. He didn't need a report because A) he trusts Shepard's judgement and abilities, and he's supplying his own prepared document.

Modifié par marshalleck, 13 septembre 2011 - 01:49 .

[Golden Owl]

marshalleck wrote...

Hackett didn't take the report because he's a good Cerberus blood brother, and he'll run cover for Shep to the bitter end. He didn't need a report because he's supplying his own prepared document.

Cerberus Blood Brother: I hope to God not....

And, yes, I think it could certainly be a strong possibility that Hackett maybe falsefying documents...though once again so much speculation until the game comes out....I think the only thing we can be assured of is that Hackett's certainly up to something....what he does and how he does it is the mystery.

[Sebby]

Hackett was a proto-TIM in ME1, so him being a Cerberus blood brother wouldn't be surprising.

[Golden Owl]

Seboist wrote...

Hackett was a proto-TIM in ME1, so him being a Cerberus blood brother wouldn't be surprising.

Wash your mouth out with soap!........Thats just filthy language......

[Dave of Canada]

It isn't really filthy considering they essentially share the same methods, maybe goals though we haven't seen too much of Hackett to understand what he wants as a person.

[Golden Owl]

Dave of Canada wrote...

It isn't really filthy considering they essentially share the same methods, maybe goals though we haven't seen too much of Hackett to understand what he wants as a person.

All a matter of my perspective Dave.......Don't like Cerberus..<_<...Love Hackett.......Should I point you too my rabid, raging, one eyed Hackett fan post above?....

[Sebby]

Dave of Canada wrote...

It isn't really filthy considering they essentially share the same methods, maybe goals though we haven't seen too much of Hackett to understand what he wants as a person.

Yep, the only thing they might differ on is with the unethical experiments but Hackett could turn a blind eye to them. Speaking of which, I always had the impression he knew more about Akuze than what he letting on.

[Golden Owl]

Seboist wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

It isn't really filthy considering they essentially share the same methods, maybe goals though we haven't seen too much of Hackett to understand what he wants as a person.

Yep, the only thing they might differ on is with the unethical experiments but Hackett could turn a blind eye to them. Speaking of which, I always had the impression he knew more about Akuze than what he letting on.

Rabid fandom aside....in all seriousness I really don't think he would Seboist....I do believe he would find that unacceptable.

[Clara Shepard]

JimiShep wrote...

    Admiral Hackett- Actions Surrounding the Arrival DLC and Future Story

    I'd like to offer you my theory concerning Adm. Hackett enjoy…

    In Arrival we are contacted by Adm. Hackett, who was/(is?) in command of the Fifth Fleet. He and his fleet had first hand contact in dealing with a Reaper. It was not TIM that sends you on this mission instead you are contacted by Adm. Hackett. He explains that Dr. Kenson, who is under his command, has been captured by Batarians. In the Process of saving her Shepard learns about Project Rho… now hold on lets discuss project Rho

    It looks like they have had a lot of time setting this thing up… It's a base built into an asteroid. Who knows how many months or maybe even years it took. Artifact Rho was not the first artifact found by the Alliance…  in ME Revelations Dr. Shu Quin found an artifact and along with the Alliance conducted illegal research. Could the Alliance have gotten inside info to where another reaper artifact was located by the original Artifact found? I don't think so. They were using that Artifact to advance AI research. (Maybe Early EDI stuff) Could they have gotten a vision from the remains of Sovereign implicating where another Artifact was located? Hmmmm…  Who else had the most access to the debris after the battle of the citadel was over…. of coarse the fifth fleet, under Adm. Hackett. Could Adm. Hackett have started a military research project to aid Shepard in the up coming war? I believe so, and I would argue that the Alliance would keep all of this a secret. It would make sense why the Shadow Broker was so interesting in Adm. Hackett. (He was researching the remains of a reaper) It would also not be the first time Alliance command was withholding major information from the council races.

                        I don't fully believe that they could have gotten all the info from Sovereign remains but they must have gotten the information from somewhere.

    After learning about Artifact Rho they set up the base and in the process get indoctrinated! Sounds interesting, now on a side note- Top Alliance command were involved in a plan to run an asteroid into a Mass Relay! They were already planning on Massive Batarian casualties. (This will be brought up later)   

    Back to Arrival! Shepard frees Dr. Kenson and learns that they have a Reaper Artifact, cool "Why was this not mentioned to Shepard by Hackett?" He is the leader of the covert Alliance project! Whatever minor point. Shepard now learns that everyone at Project Rho has been indoctrinated. After being introduced to the artifact, either the guards or the Reaper Artifact overpower Shepard and he is sent to the med bay. Isn't this the exact position Harbinger wants Shepard to be in? "Preserve Shepard's body, if possible"
    
    The Reapers are in complete control right now! Why would the Indoctrinated Alliance Team disassemble the project now? In the eyes of the Reaper's they have complete control over the situation. They know that the Alliance is no longer a threat to their Arrival and it's icing on the cake that they have Shepard in Med Bay. (I know I will get a lot of crap for this, but I don't care) It makes sense that the Reapers would act like this…. they have doing this for at least 37 million years! What they do not expect is Shepard… he wakes up and again foils their Arrival plan. This could be one of the reasons why the Reapers are so focused on Shepard. I got the feeling that in the beginning of ME2 the main Reaper interest was in Humanity as a whole and now after Arrival it feels more centered around Shepard…. How could this Human stand in the way of inevitability and constantly succeed?
    
    In the process of delaying the Reaper invasion Shepard destroys a Mass Relay and a system. This event killed 300,000 Batarians! This happens no matter what… it is assumed that every player played the Arrival DLC in ME3. This is how we get Shepard to come back to the Earth for the Invasion of the Reaper Fleet. Most people think that this is terrible writing, but I offer you a different point of view on this matter all together.

    When Shepard gets back to the Normandy he is confronted by Adm. Hackett, the same man in charge of Project Rho. When offered evidence from Shepard, surrounding the events of Project Rho, Adm. Hackett does not take it and assures that Shepard's word is enough evidence for him?!?!?!?! Isn't this really important evidence?? This could be used in a trial… that maybe Shepard has to report to?!? Adm. Hackett could be doing one of a few things here-      1. Covering his own ass by blaming Shepard for the events of Arrival.
    2. Maybe he is being honest and really takes Shepard for his/her word.
    3. Luring Shepard back to Earth for the Reaper invasion!!! I'd like to talk about this one…

    We know that Reaper Tech causes Indoctrination… We also know that even dead Reapers can indoctrinate people…. If an Alliance covert ops team was testing parts of Sovereign, could they become indoctrinated in the process??? I say possibly…  Would the leader of such an organization and a person who knows the Reapers are real be there in person to over see the operations??? Sensible.. right? What if Adm. Hackett is indeed indoctrinated!! He is the one that sent you after Dr. Kenson to begin with right? The Reapers used Shepard's friendship (sort of) with Hackett to get him on that asteroid. Why go searching for an individual that might be anywhere in the galaxy when he could be delivered on a silver plater to Reapers door steps? When that plan failed, Hackett (Harbinger) told Shepard there will be a trial for his actions…. Getting him in the next best place for the Reaper Arrival. EARTH! Make no mistakes the Reapers want Shepard!

    The trial is happening no matter what, but really why? If you think that the Alliance is going to go easy on Shepard you might be in for a treat! The last thing the Alliance wants is a war with the Batarians… They are probably going to deny everything that Shepard says to save their own asses. No matter how the trial goes, an Alliance covert ops team set up a base on an asteroid to destroy a Mass Relay. They do not want this information to get out at all! This would totally be a reason for the Batarians to go to war. What most likely will happen is that the Alliance will blame Shepard and Cerberus for the destruction of a whole system. Now that would set up an interesting plot where now along with Cerberus you don't trust the Systems Alliance…

    Another theory that I have is based on the GreyBox… what if the GreyBox contained information regarding the testing of the Reaper remains by the SA. If the rest of the galaxy got wind of this the Alliance would be in for some major trouble. They are withholding vital information on the Reapers that can confirm Shepard's story to the rest of the Council races. In a way they are only adding to Shepard's troubles by sitting on this information. It might also contain details surrounding Project Rho and the SA don't want that information in the hands of the Batarians.

I think you have a really good point, Hackett did seem suspicous... and the Devs did say someone close to you is indoctrinated.  I'm now thinking this is going to happen, I feel like I spoiled part of the game for myself D: