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[didymos1120]

Clara Shepard wrote...

I think you have a really good point, Hackett did seem suspicous... and the Devs did say someone close to you is indoctrinated.

Source please.

[Silver77nz]

I have to agree I thought the whole actions on Admiral Hackett was very strange. Sending in Shep alone would be perfect cause you have no witnesses to back up anything Shep says. But was part of The Allience secretly doing something the higher chain of command in The Allience knew nothing about? It's not the first time that happened and was covered up.

Anderson has been told to stop investigating what happened behind the attack on the Citadel and his support of Shep. Plus look at the vids he watched.
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Shadow_Broker_Dossiers/Captain_David_Anderson

At this point I think The Allience is trying to get back on good terms with the Council due to one of their first human spectre's is seen as working with a terriost group. I think Anderson, Hackett, and the VS plus some others are doing their own investigation into Repears. Trying to prove Shep is correct.
Shep has come through for Hackett on many risky operations and I think he thought this would be a in and out situation. Keep quiet Shep I want this to be hush, hush from both the higher chain of The Allience and The Council. He sends in Shep because Shep isn't with Allience anymore at that point in time and may or may not be a Spectre which answers to no one but The Council. Either way The Allience won't be blamed if Shep messes up because they can say Shep wasn't with The Allience. Except I don't think Admiral Hackett was expecting the whole Allience Science Team to be indoctrinated. Now he has a huge problem. He is the one that gave that order to Shep. If a part of the Allience is doing something secret from the higher chain of command in The Allience that is a big no, no and also that draws unwanted attention from The Council. Which makes The Allience look bad plus the whole Kasumi grey box intel on The Allience which Keji already was killed over. The Council wants all this talk of Repears to stop. If The Council got wind of part/or The Allience investgating Repear artifacts secretly or they played a part on the attack of the Citadel...Allience would be in big trouble. Is the Allience going to throw Shep under the bus to save their asses...you bet!! Will Hackett come out and say hey you can't blame Shep it is partially my fault? I hope so but we will see.

Regardless I think Admiral Hackett is on your side or why would he say this
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Shadow_Broker_Dossiers/Admiral_Steven_Hackett

I want to believe that Anderson, Hackett, and the VS are trying to investigate the Repear theory in secret at the same time not cause problems within The Allience chain of command or problems with The Council. I hope to God that Hackett isn't indoctrinated. I think partially Admiral Hackett actions after the destruction and death of 300 k Batarians is he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

[Sethan_1]

ME1 starts off with a demonstration of information security - even though everyone on the Normandy knows the "shakedown cruise" is just a cover, that is still the story until Anderson lets Shepard in on the secret.  Need to know.

This theme is repeated throughout the series, with important information being repeatedly hidden by governments, Cerberus, etc.  The information is hidden from the public, but also often hidden from Shepard, even when it just corroborates information he already knows.

At a guess, I would say Hackett may been familiar with Cerberus operations (though he was not part of Cerberus) when Cerberus was still under the auspices of the Alliance.

I'd also guess Hackett and the Alliance both know a lot more about what Dr. Kenson is doing than he admits to.  My reasoning?  It isn't unreasonable for a covert operative to have an expense account - but what "The Project" did was far beyond what is reasonable for that.  Aside from the enormous expense of setting up the asteroid base in general and putting the drives in place to move it, consider that Rear Admiral Mikhailovich mentions in ME1 that the Normandy drive core cost 120 billion credits.  The Project also has an element zero core, which is reasonably going to be somewhere in the same ballpark, cost-wise (yes, Dr. Kenson mentioned they were buying things out of the Omega salvage yards, how much of that installation looked like salvaged tech?).  The asteroid is far larger than the Normandy (and is in fact about the same size as the mass relay), but to be fair the Asteroid isn't being accelerated to FTL speeds.  In any case, the cost of The Project is likely going to have been in the billions of credits.  No covert operative would ever be authorized for that level of spending.  That means direct government involvement, at a high level.

Object Rho was probably found by accident, while someone was spying on the Batarians from the Asteroid belt.  Kenson would have been sent in afterwards.  Hackett did mention to Shepard that Kenson had found a Reaper artifact.  Unfortunately indoctrination is at this point understood well only by Shepard and his team - plus anyone who got to read their reports (also Rana Thanoptis and a Salarian STG operative).  While Kenson's reaction when Shepard mentions it indicates that she is aware of Indoctrination, we don't know if she was aware of it before it occurred - the reports were likely highly classified and she may not have seen them.  Its a good bet that at least some of the Alliance brass over her either never saw them or didn't take them seriously, and neither did she.  It is also possible that the team set up on that asteroid by chance, discovering Object Rho only after they had been indoctrinated by proximity.

During the debriefing, Hackett basically tells Shepard he is going to become a scapegoat.  His refusing to take the report is easily explainable: Shepard wasn't "officially" working for the Alliance on that mission, and an after action report from Shepard, if it ever came out that he filed one, could be used as evidence that he was working for the Alliance on the mission and provide cause for war.

Sovereign was originally found by a Batarian, who got Dr. Qian of the Alliance involved.  Qian was the only Alliance member we know of who ever saw Sovereign prior to Saren taking possession of it.  He and the Batarian team would have been the only ones who spent enough time with it to become indoctrinated.  Keiji's Greybox likely had information that the Alliance knew of Sovereign's existence in that era, which would be used to blame the Alliance for all the casualties and damage caused by Sovereign if the data ever became public.

The Alliance needs to use Shepard as a scapegoat in the trial to avoid a war with the Batarians.  Shepard can use a variety of arguments based on his actions, but unless there is no evidence of his involvement and he admits nothing, he's going to be convicted (and may be convicted regardless).  The sentence will probably depend on whether Shepard is still officially a Spectre at that point.  If he is not, it could easily be a death sentence or extradition to the Batarian Hegemony.

I don't believe Hackett is indoctrinated or a member of Cerberus, though I believe he is also not telling all he knows.

[FoxShadowblade]

This is why we need the option to shoot who ever we want in this game.

If he's indoctrinated, oh well, he's dead.

If he wasn't, oh well, he was lying to you anyway.

[didymos1120]

FoxShadowblade wrote...

This is why we need the option to shoot who ever we want in this game.

Terrible idea, unless you don't care about there being more than the most minimal story. 

[FoxShadowblade]

didymos1120 wrote...

FoxShadowblade wrote...

This is why we need the option to shoot who ever we want in this game.

Terrible idea, unless you don't care about there being more than the most minimal story. 

It's a great idea, think of how empty the galaxy would seem after I'm finished! 

I mean Mass Effect 2 would have been so much better if Shepard just shot Jacob the moment he met him. Don't deny it, you know it to be true.

[AntiChri5]

Something being present in a game does not mean it would work in all games.

This idea runs counter to the design philosophy for Shepard and the narrative of Mass Effect, it has no place in ME3.

Buy Saints Row 3, it is going to be a lot of fun.

Modifié par AntiChri5, 31 octobre 2011 - 09:05 .

[AntiChri5]

Sarcasm is notoriously difficult to communicate through pure text.

[CptBomBom00]

I think if we have our Specter status reinstated, we may have an advantage at the trial, but why we are worrying about his, reapers invade and they destroy the courts on Earth, so Shepard has noting to be worried about as there is no where to put him, because prisons where destroyed, I presume.

[Sethan_1]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

I think if we have our Specter status reinstated, we may have an advantage at the trial, but why we are worrying about his, reapers invade and they destroy the courts on Earth, so Shepard has noting to be worried about as there is no where to put him, because prisons where destroyed, I presume.

The trial could easily have consequences later in the game.  If it is public, it might well be broadcast in real time (it isn't every day that someone is accused of destroying a Relay and killing 300,000 people, and Shepard is a major celebrity). 

Depending on what comes out at the trial, it could affect how people react to Shepard later in the game.

[onelifecrisis]

There's certainly a lot to ponder when it comes to Hackett. I agree that it's unlikely that the Alliance will openly admit to being behind (or even involved with) The Project. Whether they'll try to frame Shepard for it is another matter. Indoctrinated Hackett seems a bit of a stretch to me. Ruthless Bastard Hackett is possible, but even then I'm not sure what the Alliance stand to gain by framing Shepard, unless Shepard tries to spill the beans on The Project. Being insanely optimistic for a moment: the trial could even branch depending on whether Shepard decides to toe the line and say what the Alliance want him to say, or to tell the truth resulting in the Alliance bringing forward fabricated evidence designed to frame him.

[WolfForce99]

JimiShep wrote...

    Admiral Hackett- Actions Surrounding the Arrival DLC and Future Story 

    We know that Reaper Tech causes Indoctrination… We also know that even dead Reapers can indoctrinate people…. If an Alliance covert ops team was testing parts of Sovereign, could they become indoctrinated in the process??? I say possibly…  Would the leader of such an organization and a person who knows the Reapers are real be there in person to over see the operations??? Sensible.. right? What if Adm. Hackett is indeed indoctrinated!! He is the one that sent you after Dr. Kenson to begin with right? The Reapers used Shepard's friendship (sort of) with Hackett to get him on that asteroid. Why go searching for an individual that might be anywhere in the galaxy when he could be delivered on a silver plater to Reapers door steps? When that plan failed, Hackett (Harbinger) told Shepard there will be a trial for his actions…. Getting him in the next best place for the Reaper Arrival. EARTH! Make no mistakes the Reapers want Shepard! 

Admiral Hackett is not indoctrinated. He is leading the ME3 MP teams against the Reapers. Casey Hudson said so in his interview with Official Xbox Magazine.

Modifié par WolfForce99, 31 octobre 2011 - 02:13 .

[somecthemes]

I don't see there being much variability to the trial. For those thinking of hidden agendas and court room drama to start the game, I imagine a small lead in followed immediately by combat will be repeated again. There might be a couple of moral statements and then we'll immediately be running, so if Hackett is indoctrinated, which I personally doubt, then we probably won't find out until further in the game.

[Saberchic]

Clara Shepard wrote...

I think you have a really good point, Hackett did seem suspicous... and the Devs did say someone close to you is indoctrinated.  I'm now thinking this is going to happen, I feel like I spoiled part of the game for myself D:

Uh, ok. So you resurrected a thread and then posted a "fact" like that  with no source?

U trollin'?

[biowaregeek]

 the Devs did say someone close to you is indoctrinated.  

[/quote]                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     i think it's ashley who is indoctrinated.. on horizon Ashley is attacked and paralyzed by a seeker swarm and the veary next time you see ashley she's talking to  sheperd like nothing ever happened to her..i always found that strange and suspicious to me.[/i]

[BlueMagitek]

Ah come on now, Bioware doesn't hate the VS *that* much. >_>

It's probably Rana Thanoptis; she said we should have killed her when we had the chance, right? Well, we had two chances. We didn't listen! D=

[Clara Shepard]

Saberchic wrote...

Clara Shepard wrote...

I think you have a really good point, Hackett did seem suspicous... and the Devs did say someone close to you is indoctrinated.  I'm now thinking this is going to happen, I feel like I spoiled part of the game for myself D:

Uh, ok. So you resurrected a thread and then posted a "fact" like that  with no source?

U trollin'?

I'm not trolling, but I don't have the source... I can't even remember where I read it... So I'm sorry that I made false accusations.... I'll go sit in my corner for reviving the thread  

[BlueMagitek]

jreezy wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Ah come on now, Bioware doesn't hate the VS *that* much. >_>

It's probably Rana Thanoptis; she said we should have killed her when we had the chance, right? Well, we had two chances. We didn't listen! D=

No she didn't, you just wanted her to say that it seems.

You misunderstand; I could have sworn that a female voice said "You should have killed me when you had the chance, Shepard" in the trailer.  Rana is the only one (to my knowledge) who has appeared in both ME 1 & ME 2 who we could have killed.

[Thompson family]

BlueMagitek wrote...

You misunderstand; I could have sworn that a female voice said "You should have killed me when you had the chance, Shepard" in the trailer.  Rana is the only one (to my knowledge) who has appeared in both ME 1 & ME 2 who we could have killed.

I'd like to hear that, if you have a link. I don't doubt that it exists. I've heard it repeated often. I'd just like to hear it.

[BlueMagitek]

Ah, here we are. It was a dev comment:

http://social.biowar...index/7709294/1

[Thompson family]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Ah, here we are. It was a dev comment:

http://social.biowar...index/7709294/1

Much thanks.

[TheGreenAlloy]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Soccer FeverMan wrote...

im not reading that

Then why post? GTFO.

OP, this is a solid theory. I personally doubt that BW would turn Hackett around like that, but logically, it could indeed happen.