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[CptBomBom00]

I don't know about you guys but I support this theory and I think OP might be right with it.
Nice theory man, really nice piece of work.
Peace.

[Nizzemancer]

Major_Tao_Tau wrote...

 JImiShep wrote:  "The trial is happening no matter what, but really why? If you think that the Alliance is going to go easy on Shepard you might be in for a treat! The last thing the Alliance wants is a war with the Batarians… They are probably going to deny everything that Shepard says to save their own asses. No matter how the trial goes, an Alliance covert ops team set up a base on an asteroid to destroy a Mass Relay. They do not want this information to get out at all! This would totally be a reason for the Batarians to go to war. What most likely will happen is that the Alliance will blame Shepard and Cerberus for the destruction of a whole system. Now that would set up an interesting plot where now along with Cerberus you don't trust the Systems Alliance…

Because Diplomats have never flat out lied to save face before? If they give up one of their own they admit defeat, if they however blame the incident on radical xenophobes on a suicide-mission to wipe out a batarian colony who shepard was unable to stop in time then their backs are covered and nobody has to even consider a reaper-theory of any kind.

This is like a US vs Russia cold war incident, both sides hate each other, and won't ever admit to doing anything wrong, and anything short of being caught red-handed will make either side admit that their people have done anything at all.

Besides, Shepard may or may not be a Spectre, if s/he is a spectre then they can't touch him/her without Citadel approval, wich makes it more of a public hearing to find out exactly what happened from the only information-source they know off. Here's where shouting "Reapers are coming" will make you look like a loon.

[Thompson family]

This was posted five months ago on another thread. There are other possible explanations for Hackett's actions than indoctrination.

Shep's in serious legal limbo here. Hackett's request to go was presumbably encrypted and taken in private. If EDI did manage to record the transmission, the Alliance will take care of that while the Normady's in their hands back on Earth.

Notice that at the end of the Arrival mission, Hackett takes the highly unusual step of going to the Normandy. Notice that Dr. Chakwas leaves and EDI shuts off in the sick bay. At the end, Hackett  says "I don't need to see a report
to know you did the right thing" and hands Shep's report back.

Nice show of confidence? Maybe.

My first thought was: He's turning down the report and keeping everything between him and Shep spoken-word only basis.

Therefore, no formal record exists of any Hackett-Shep connection and no there's no evidence that Shep didn't go out there on his/her own.

I like Hackett and want to believe he's on Shep's side, but the odds are that he didn't rise to high rank without knowing how to keep his backside covered.

Hackett and the Alliiance have plausible denial that they were involved at all. They can claim Kenson went out there on her own.

We know that Kenson was a "deep cover operative" and that only the Alliance could know where she was at until the Batarians captured her. However, the Alliance could claim she went rogue and that "The Project" was funded by Cerberus, which sent Shep to finish the job when Kenson lost her nerve.

Whether any of this matters remains to be seen. ME3 producer Jesse Huston said that the Reapers arrive in Batarian
space, so the chances are that the Batarians are devestated and that Shepard's warnings of an imminent threat are now proven.

Anyway, the point of the proceedings on Earth — trial, hearing, court martial, inquest, whatever — is not justice. It's political, like Tali's trial. Do we (the Alliance) or do we not need to make a sacrificial lamb of Shep to keep the edgy peace with the Batarians? Keep in mind that the Allliance Brass "descended like vultures, tearing apart every you said" about the Reaper threat. Hackett's probably in the minority in believing there's a Reaper threat at all.

Modifié par Thompson family, 01 novembre 2011 - 04:03 .

[BlueMagitek]

I don't understand why people think Shepard's spectre status would protect him; I mean, the Council tossed Saren under a bus over a voice recording and he was their best agent. They dislike Shepard (who killed another one of their agents on the job, Vasir); I doubt they'd have problem tossing him under a bus.

[CptBomBom00]

If they do toss Shep under the bus he could always, take them with him, somehow.

But why Shepard didn't have the gut feeling that something is going to wrong with the mission that Adm Hackett gave him?

[Nizzemancer]

BlueMagitek wrote...

I don't understand why people think Shepard's spectre status would protect him; I mean, the Council tossed Saren under a bus over a voice recording and he was their best agent. They dislike Shepard (who killed another one of their agents on the job, Vasir); I doubt they'd have problem tossing him under a bus.

Because there's nothing that proves Shepard is working against the citadel, can't say the same for Saren OR Vasir.

[BlueMagitek]

^ Yes, but he destroyed a Relay. I'd imagine that's a big no no. >_>

[CptBomBom00]

Ok he destroyed the relay, yes he comited a genocide, but is he really guilty?

[BlueMagitek]

...yes? Heck, plotting with the Geth to attack a colony is far better than what Shepard did.

[CptBomBom00]

He did it so those ****s could at lest live few more months, and yes what he did was beyond our Imagination, but still, it was necessary, to slow reapers down.

I don't intend to start an argument guys, I'm just say what I'm thinking.

[HiroVoid]

Nobody believes reapers exist yet. If anything, Shepard could get off of execution, and put into a mental ward on schitzofriniea(I know this is spelled wrong) or something if he goes with that claim.

[CptBomBom00]

Yeah that's what they would probably do to the Hero that saved their sorry asses and tries to do it Again.

[Sethan_1]

BlueMagitek wrote...

I don't understand why people think Shepard's spectre status would protect him; I mean, the Council tossed Saren under a bus over a voice recording and he was their best agent. They dislike Shepard (who killed another one of their agents on the job, Vasir); I doubt they'd have problem tossing him under a bus.

Shepard's Spectre status will protect him as long as he has it - the Council may well throw him under a bus, but until they do Shepard isn't subject to Alliance legal jurisdiction.

[seirhart]

I highly doubt it is Hackett, besides Hackett is an avid supporter of Shepard. When I think of what the devs say that someone close is a traitor I think it is one of the party members. Even though I like legion I think it could be legion if you keep him and he lives through the suicide mission. Why do I think it is legion is because if memory serves me correctly and while talking to him he says that there is a massive inteliggent super structer on the quarian homeworld. My question is this what type of intelligent super structure?could it be a reaper that is a visitor? To tell you the truth when I heard Legion say that there is a Massive intelligent super structure on the on quarian homeworld my first reaction was is it a reaper.

Modifié par seirhart, 01 novembre 2011 - 04:22 .

[Thompson family]

Sethan_1 wrote...

Shepard's Spectre status will protect him as long as he has it - the Council may well throw him under a bus, but until they do Shepard isn't subject to Alliance legal jurisdiction.

The Spectres whole purpose is to maintain galactic order. Blowing up a whole system and killing 300K Batarians and their slaves, bringing a Council species to the point of war, is not what Spectres are supposed to do. The Council, which officially denies the Reaper's very existance, have thrown Shep under the bus already. Count on that.

[Izhalezan]

Thompson family wrote...

Sethan_1 wrote...

Shepard's Spectre status will protect him as long as he has it - the Council may well throw him under a bus, but until they do Shepard isn't subject to Alliance legal jurisdiction.

The Spectres whole purpose is to maintain galactic order. Blowing up a whole system and killing 300K Batarians and their slaves, bringing a Council species to the point of war, is not what Spectres are supposed to do. The Council, which officially denies the Reaper's very existance, have thrown Shep under the bus already. Count on that.

They better move that bus off me when the Reapers show up...

[seirhart]

Thompson family wrote...

Sethan_1 wrote...

Shepard's Spectre status will protect him as long as he has it - the Council may well throw him under a bus, but until they do Shepard isn't subject to Alliance legal jurisdiction.

The Spectres whole purpose is to maintain galactic order. Blowing up a whole system and killing 300K Batarians and their slaves, bringing a Council species to the point of war, is not what Spectres are supposed to do. The Council, which officially denies the Reaper's very existance, have thrown Shep under the bus already. Count on that.

And what if they don't throw him/her under the bus? For one I doubt they will throw shepard under the bus and shepard will keep spectre status unless you deny it in 2.

[CptBomBom00]

OK so they have throw him under the bus already, but he can still "escape" from being crushed by judges, and by this I mean reaper attack, as we saw the Earth demo mission, I bet it happened in the time of the trial as the verdict was to announced, then Slam, Reapers arrived and every body is like,'Shepard what are we gonna do? and Shepard would be like 'wait here I'll be back'*runs away*.

[Nizzemancer]

Seirhart:
When looking at it logically via metagaming there are only a few people who would be plausible as a traitor because they have plot armor throughout the first 2 games and are availible to all players:
Anderson
Udina
TIM (duh, but still, might just be him they meant and are trying to make us suspect other characters)
Ashley/Kaidan
Liara
Chakwas
Hackett
Joker
EDI
And the ones who wouldn't make much sense, but still plausible:
Conrad Verner
Sarah Parazzini
Emily Wong
Khalisah Bint Sinan al-Jilani

[seirhart]

I don't know how but what if it was joker?

[Thompson family]

seirhart wrote...

And what if they don't throw him/her under the bus? For one I doubt they will throw shepard under the bus and shepard will keep spectre status unless you deny it in 2.

Hmmm. Let's stand beside one Spectre -- any Spectre -- even if it means war.

Be reasonable.

Besides, we both know what will happen. As Shep is being thrown under the bus, a Reaper will show up and crush the bus.

The Reaper invasion will make the charges against Shep moot, along with just about everything else.

Modifié par Thompson family, 01 novembre 2011 - 05:54 .

[Wulfram]

I do find it somewhat questionable that the Council would allow Shepard to be tried by someone other than themselves. The idea that a Spectre is accountable to their species' government rather than the Council has dangerous implications on their own authority.

[seirhart]

Thompson family wrote...

seirhart wrote...

And what if they don't throw him/her under the bus? For one I doubt they will throw shepard under the bus and shepard will keep spectre status unless you deny it in 2.

Hmmm. Let's stand beside one Spectre -- any Spectre -- even if it means war.

Be reasonable.

Besides, we both know what will happen. As Shep is being thrown under the bus, a Reaper will show up and crush the bus.

The Reaper invasion will make the charges against Shep moot, along with just about everything else.

I am being reasonable who is to say that the council will turn against shepard and if shepard got reinstated as a spectre then that means the alliance has no grounds to put shepard on investigation and has no grounds for taking the normandy when the normandy is a spectre ship, if of course you accept your reinstatement. Shepard being spectre means only the council can do an investiagtion or try shepard it doesn't matter if a human is a councilor or not.

[Thompson family]

I am being reasonable who is to say that the council will turn against shepard and if shepard got reinstated as a spectre then that means the alliance has no grounds to put shepard on investigation and has no grounds for taking the normandy when the normandy is a spectre ship, if of course you accept your reinstatement. Shepard being spectre means only the council can do an investiagtion or try shepard it doesn't matter if a human is a councilor or not.

The very fact that we know, beyond any doubt, that ME3 will begin with Shep appearing for a trial — hearing, court-martial, inquest, whatever — is the self-evident and irrefutable proof that he/she has submitted to Alliance authority (willingly or unwillingly) and that the Council has not intervened, notwithstanding any argument you choose to make.

In addition, the Dark Horse comic conviction shows Anderson has taken over the Normandy and that James Vega will be Shepard's guard while in custody. Also, the name of the comic -- "Conviction" -- doesn't bode well.

Modifié par Thompson family, 01 novembre 2011 - 06:29 .

[desertbird92]

Personally I don't believe that Hackett, is involved with any Cerberus matters or even indoctrinated. Like others though, I do believe that the events directly after the destruction of the mass relay are suspicious. Given that Hackett approached Shepard in a discrete manner ( i.e. asking for a favor), I don't understand how Shepard can be officially blamed for what s/he did. To clarify, there shouldn't be any records indicating that Shepard was even in that system around the time that it was whiped off of the galactic map (apart from the report that Hackett refuses to read). So why is it that Shepard must face trial?