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[Dunmer of Redoran]

If I could only pick one, it'd definitely be Garrus. He's demonstrated leadership skills on par with Shepard and he has a variety of skills that would complement being a Spectre really well. Also, he's shown that he has pretty good but decisive judgment on things in ME2, a major progression from his wishy-washiness in the first game.

If Grunt matures psychologically as he gets older, he might just be a good choice, too. Some Spectres need to be violent and merciless towards those who fight on the side of evil, and no one Shepard knows is really more merciless than Grunt (Jack notwithstanding). Besides, don't the krogan deserve to be thrown a bone for all the torment they've gotten since the genophage? He just needs to grow up first, because right now, he's just a gun-toting teenager, unlike even other normal krogan who might be violent, but at least know how to conduct themselves in Citadel space.

Modifié par DaftArbiter, 12 septembre 2011 - 11:18 .

[LTiberious]

Garrus and Legion

Geth Spectre... eheheh

[LGTX]

I don't think either of them has the moral competence to be one, imho. And I guess Legion doesn't count, right?

[_purifico_]

I'll jump on the Garrus bandwagon. However he is already space Batman, so if he were to become a Spectre too the Universe would implode.
Mordin too, but he was with the STG which is kind of like Spectres (he says so himself).

And Wrex. Smart, tough, and would not choke to make difficult decisions. Exactly what you need for Spectres.

I'm surprised that so many people think that Grunt would make a good Spectre. That living breathing cannonball? Really? Well, maybe he'll change when he matures a little, until then it's hard to say.

That said, I think VS being a spectre is a complete and utter bull****. Kaiden is a 'yes' man and Ashley is a grunt (other reasons why they are absolutely horrible choices for Spectre are stated earlier in the thread).  Bioware, I am dissappoint. I understand that you have a very rabid fanbase that is difficult to deal with, but I'd rather you stayed consistent and delivered a good believable story, than tried to appease otherwise unappeasable fans. EA influnece I suppose. Oh well. Your games are still better than 95% of what we have.

Reciever80 wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

I'll go against the grain and tell you why I wouldn't make each squad member a Spectre...

Tali: More people die under her lead than Zaeed.

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Damn near pissed myself, laughing so hard.

It's funny 'cause it's true

Modifié par _purifico_, 12 septembre 2011 - 12:34 .

[LGTX]

Whoever survived Virmire is made a Spectre in ME3, yes.

[stysiaq]

I don't think Garrus still cares about some title. He is above the law even without being a Spectre.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

_purifico_ wrote...

And Wrex. Smart, tough, and would not choke to make difficult decisions. Exactly what you need for Spectres.

I'm surprised that so many people think that Grunt would make a good Spectre. That living breathing cannonball? Really? Well, maybe he'll change when he matures a little, until then it's hard to say.

Wrex is getting up there, even for krogan standards. He probably still has a several centuries left in him (Okeer is even older but there's nothing that suggests he isn't a competent fighter, and his mind is anything but feeble) but at this stage in his life, he's probably more intent on settling down and ruling his empire than going out into the field.

Grunt's a hothead, but look at other Spectres. Saren was a racist and a traitor, and Vasir was conceited and untrustworthy. Grunt might pick fights that he shouldn't, but his loyalty is unquestionable just so long as you keep giving him people to fight. Not to mention he's much stronger than any ordinary krogan. How mature is he, by krogan standards? He has no less than 1000 years left in his life, at least (and that's a low estimate) and he's not grown up yet, but he will be, and when you look at other krogan, that outward violence becomes more subdued as they get older. He just has the krogan equivalent of raging hormones.

Modifié par DaftArbiter, 12 septembre 2011 - 01:07 .

[Labrev]

Arken wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

To that end, I've always seen Kaidan as a "speak softly, carry a big stick" kind of a guy. Soft-spoken, but he toughs it out through migraines in the military, and keeps his implants in part for stronger biotic attacks. He killed his teacher in a fit of rage, enough to scare his lover-girl from ever speaking to him again! He's got a fire in his belly, IMO.

Jacob is the only other character who seems reasonable enough to be given the power of a Spectre, but in the end he is a gun for hire even though he hates guns for hire. Jacob seems normal on the outside but there are some contradictions in his character. He hates mercenaries, but is essentially a mercenary as well. He is only loyal to whoever he feel like he should follow. Yesterday it was the Alliance. Today it was Cerberus. Tomorrow it could be the Council, but how long would it last until he just joins someone else. A flaw in his character that was never explored enough in Mass Effect 2.

Jacob is a frustrating character. Potential is there, but his writing is just awful. But I'm not sure I'm a fan of what they were going for with him anyway. He always sounds a lot more impressive on paper than what I actually ever see of him.


I also reject the idea that the squad would successfully follow his lead in the suicide-mission. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and his father was rejected as a leader for lack of respect from followers, as we saw on Jacob's loyalty-mission. It's not enough to be a nice guy, your lead has to instill confidence in others that you can get the job done. I'd have doubts about following Jacob. Miranda or Garrus, not so much.

[S Seraff]

Garrus - i think he's the only other one who would actually WANT to be a spectre

[HighMoon]

Morinth.

[Labrev]

laecraft wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

I'll go against the grain and tell you why I wouldn't make each squad member a Spectre...


Ashley: Human nationalist, making her motives questionable when working to protect GALACTIC intrests.

Nah, she showed where her loyalties lie on Horizon, when she left the human colonies to be slaughtered because she didn't want her reputation to be tainted by the association with the organization outlawed by the alien-dominated Council. Besides, since when being a nationalist stops one from being a Spectre? Just look at Saren.

You have a point with Saren. Overall, I don't think I'd mind Ashley too much as a Spectre. But that's still a big red-flag in my eyes.


She says at the end of that encounter, "I'm no fan of aliens, but Cerebrus has a history of being extreme."

[Raizo]

Garrus. He's the only member of Sheprads squad that would be beleiveable as Spectre. I also feel that Anderson and Miranda have what it takes to be a Spectre but Anderson's seems to have put his soldier days behind him and seems to more of figure head for humanity instead of a front line soldier and hell will freeze over before the Council appoints a former high ranking Cerebus officer ( Miranda ) as Spectre agent.

[100k]

Garrus and Jacob.

[Makkovar]

Garrus. He's already doing pretty much the same thing as spectres, but without Citadel's intel, funding and guidance. He'd be great at the job.

If I'm not limited to one, I'd say the VS, Kasumi and Thane are good candidates too. The Council could only gain from making them spectres.

[eye basher]

None cause if Saren was the best the spectres had i don't need them.

[Ryzaki]

laecraft wrote...
Nah, she showed where her loyalties lie on Horizon, when she left the human colonies to be slaughtered because she didn't want her reputation to be tainted by the association with the organization outlawed by the alien-dominated Council. Besides, since when being a nationalist stops one from being a Spectre? Just look at Saren.

Saren was racist against a NON council race though. (at the time anyway)

Ashley's not.

[Alamar2078]

From what has been presented in the games so far NONE of my companions strike me as Spectre material.

Garrus strikes me as a good squad leader but still needs some seasoning before he can operate on his own.

Ash can likely handle the tactics but may need to brush up on politics & just how to get along.

Of everyone in ME1 & ME2 Kaidan strikes me as the closest to Spectre material as he has a flexible skill set and keeps a level head. I'm not sure if he's ruthless enough but if forced to choose he gets the nod.

Most of the ME2 cast can pretty much be thrown out quickly. Samara has her own code and wouldn't set that aside. Grunt, Jack, Miranda, Jacob, Zaeed, Legion can be ruled out quickly. Tali seems too hot headed. Kasumi is interesting but it doesn't seem like her thing ... Mordin is a little old. Thane is sick. Liara is a little young but would also be interesting ...

[azerSheppard]

Garrus or Rupert.

[Azbeszt]

Harbinger.

[Skullheart]

Tali: Worst leader ever, got almost all of her squad killed in Freedom Progress.

Liara: She's good being the SB. Her personality don't have to change again to be a Spectre.

Wrex: He wated at first to use Saren's cure. Maybe he could be a good candidate in something
like a few hundred years (when he gains recpect by uniting the krogans).

Jack: Wanted criminal, She don't care about the galaxy at all.

Samara: She already have her own code, and I don't think she is interested on being a Spectre.

Thane: He has enough skills to be one,but according to him he is just something like a weapon, a don't think by himself.

Legion: No comments....

Zaeed: Too selfish, he put a refinery on fire, ignoring his original objective by his selfish desire of revenge.

Kasumi: She has stealth an tech skills, but I don't see her as a combatient one, andI don't think that she could ever want to be a spectre.

Mordin: He is a scientist,and besides that, he is too old to be a Spectre now.

Grunt: Too young, and lacks mental capaity to be a spectre. He is good at killing things, but you need someone near hm to tell him what to kill.

Jacob: He has enough merit to be a Spectre (saved the council once). His combat skills are good enough, and he can think like a Spectre. But the thing that is pulling him down is to no believe in himself, he need more confidence in himself.

Miranda: She could be the perfect candidate as Spectre. Good biotics, good tech skills, good leadership, smart and clever. She also is ruthless and lives in a "grey zone" of morality. But, she would neve be interested on being a Spectre, because she doesn't need to be one to achieve her missions and goals.

Garrus: The perfect candidate to be a Spectre. He caused problems to the three mayor mercenary groups on Omega, he is in the grey zone. His combat skills are more than enough.

So that is, for me Garrus is the ideal spectre. And about the VS being Spectre, I'm ok with Kaidan, but not for Ash being one.

Modifié par Skullheart, 12 septembre 2011 - 04:49 .

[LadyofRivendell]

I'd say Garrus. He's got the leadership, independence, and quick thinking that would make him a good candidate. And if i remember correctly, he said he had already been considered for it but opted out on taking the special training because of his father.

Liara wouldn't be half bad, but she's got her Shadow Broker gig keeping her busy.

Kasumi, too, I could see being a decent Spectre. But if you tell her to save the Grey Box in her Loyalty Mission, she says that she pretty much wants to fall off the radar. I don't think being a Spectre would help with that (or would it?).

I don't really think either VS would make a good Spectre. Kaidan's too soft spoken and doesn't seem like much of a leader. Ashley needs to work on her politics. So I'm curious to see how this gets fleshed out in ME3.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Garrus and Wrex would make good Spectre: good leadership, smart and don't afraid of some action. ME2 Liara would perhaps make a good spectre too since she's been hardened.

[IronSabbath88]

For the comment awhile back that said Jacob couldn't do it because he makes a poor leader. Where's your proof in this? Jacob is well respected by all the crew, even Jack says he's a good guy but he's with the wrong people. Why would they have any objection following his lead? If anyone seems like someone people would be cautious following, it would be Miranda.

Honestly, Garrus has a problem with not being able to see white morality. Everything is either grey or black to him. That's his downfall as far as being a Spectre would be. He'd be quite an extreme Spectre. Probably like Saren minus the glorified racism, as much as he would deny it. He'd probably do a lot of questionable things if made a Spectre, unless he gets his head in the right place. He also holds grudges really easy.

Jacob, is level headed, skilled in combat, great fitness and has proven he can be a well respected leader. His downfall as said previous to me is his confidence. If he gained the confidence in himself, he'd be the elite candidate for Spectre, imo.

[Freestate2nd]

The entire crew except jacob (excluded for me3) Zaeed (angry bloody mercenary) Jack (angry and rogue,**** off council ) and wrex (may deserve the honor to be the returning krogan member of the council)