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What if you could choose, which squad member should be a Spectre?


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#176
Dean_the_Young

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
And his failure is also Tali's failure, because it's the job of a leader to keep subordinates from getting so fed up they mutiny.


It's pretty hard for anyone to change a guy's mind if he thinks the whole thing is bogus, though.

But it is much easier to avoid the mis-steps that would convince him that it's bogus.

When telling the troops under you countrol why they should work with someone who has just attacked them, why they should work with a recent foe is far more conducive than 'you aren't working with them, you're working for me!' That is a tactic that only bears being used when one has experience with the troops involved.

As a leader, Tali should know that. If she were a good leader, Tali should also be aware when she is asking too much, and know not to ask it. Tali was never under any obligation, duty or moral, to team up with Shepard to the detriment of her own team's mission.

It's not like in games where you can convince someone that what they're doing is wrong by uttering about ten words.

As Tali soon found out when she attempted to use rank to browbeat a group of subordinates she had not earned the trust of, yes.

Not that Prazza was even wrong in his fears, because Tali would simply stand by and let Cerberus take Veetor.

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Legion.


Why?
Why the f*ck not?

#178
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Xilizhra wrote...

I think this had a lot to do with the "just-learned-about-my-old-commander-and-possible-crush-being-back-from-the-dead" thing. She was a tad flustered, to say the least, and as seen on Horizon, that can lead to people saying stupid things.

I do believe we are in agreement that Tali was not doing to the good, smart, leadership thing then.

Frankly, I'd raise more questions about her being willing to believe it was Shepard based on a few words rather than her losing control of her team. One is explainable by being inexperienced. The other questions her fundamental judgement.

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Morinth would make an awesome specter. She would get all the necessary information and kill those that need to be killed, having fun at the same time and doing something useful. Also she could walk freely even on Asari worlds, and wouldn't be so pissed.

Modifié par D.Kain, 13 septembre 2011 - 04:53 .


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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I think this had a lot to do with the "just-learned-about-my-old-commander-and-possible-crush-being-back-from-the-dead" thing. She was a tad flustered, to say the least, and as seen on Horizon, that can lead to people saying stupid things.

I do believe we are in agreement that Tali was not doing to the good, smart, leadership thing then.

Frankly, I'd raise more questions about her being willing to believe it was Shepard based on a few words rather than her losing control of her team. One is explainable by being inexperienced. The other questions her fundamental judgement.

I agree she didn't, but I don't believe it makes her fundamentally a bad leader.

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Grunt.

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Xilizhra wrote...

I agree she didn't, but I don't believe it makes her fundamentally a bad leader.

Let's define what a fundamentally bad leader is. Someone who sucks and is incapable of improvement? Then I'd agree that she is not a fundamentally bad leader. She may yet improve in the future.

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the VS

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BTW why do people think that a specter should be a good leader? Don't they usually work alone, and Shepard is just an anomaly in the usual?

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

jreezy wrote...

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Tali: Worst leader ever, got almost all of her squad killed in Freedom Progress.
 

People have minds of their own. What happened on Freedom's Progress wasn't her fault.

Part of the working definition of leadership is convincing people to do what you want them to do. You can inspire, bribe, coerce, whatever, but at the end of the day leadership takes independent minds into account.

Freedom's Progress was a definite failure of leadership on Tali's part.

Stop proving me wrong!^_^

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D.Kain wrote...

BTW why do people think that a specter should be a good leader? Don't they usually work alone, and Shepard is just an anomaly in the usual?


It's a good quality, but you're right it's not really necessary.  The ability to get people to do things for you goes a long way in completing difficult tasks.

And both Saren and Tela Vasir had lackeys (even if they were SB's), so they don't always work alone.

Modifié par longlun, 13 septembre 2011 - 09:33 .