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[AdmiralCheez]

This thread is exactly what I expected.

Oh well...

[KotorEffect3]

jreezy wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

So what was I supposed to see there?

Your supposed to freak out and interpret some goofy thing David Silverman said in the worst possible way, and thus be enlightened or something.

Let me try: OH MY GOD DAVID SILVERMAN DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIPS IN MASS EFFECT!
Well I tried, I can't really freak out too much over what David Silverman says.

Becoming completely irrational and hyperreactive takes practice.  You have to learn to lose grip with reality then you will be on your way.

[didymos1120]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

So what was I supposed to see there?

Your supposed to freak out and interpret some goofy thing David Silverman said in the worst possible way, and thus be enlightened or something.

Nope, he was supposed to simply read and see that his statement isn't correct. Sadly, he got intimidated by the wall of text.

Well, considering Silverman isn't the only person from Bioware to address the choices issue, no that doesn't render the claim incorrect.

Modifié par didymos1120, 12 septembre 2011 - 01:37 .

[Ace of Dawn]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

So what was I supposed to see there?

Your supposed to freak out and interpret some goofy thing David Silverman said in the worst possible way, and thus be enlightened or something.

Nope, he was supposed to simply read and see that his statement isn't correct. Sadly, he got intimidated by the wall of text.

Except David Silverman is notoriously disconnected from how Bioware operates. On top of that, what was written may not be necessairly what he intended to say.

[Kaiser Shepard]

jreezy wrote...

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

It is apparent that there are many on the forums that do not know how trilogies work. Yes most of the stuff that carried over to ME 2 was in the form of dialog, news reports, emails, and cameos but the thing is ME 2 still had to account for ME 3 so there was less room for major repercussions creating even more variables. If ME 2 had been more impacted by things from ME 1 than it would have made it even harder to impliment all those variables into ME 3. ME 3 is the climax it is where we see the results of all our decisions for good or bad.

Pretty much how BioWare explained it. It makes a lot of sense too.

http://social.biowar...index/8071018/1

So what was I supposed to see there?

That not everything BioWare says is to be taken at face value. At the end of the day, they're still a company that simply wants to make money.

[Whatever42]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
That not everything BioWare says is to be taken at face value. At the end of the day, they're still a company that simply wants to make money.

Well... yes. Actually, companies are legally obiligated to maximize shareholder value. 

That doesn't mean they don't try to do that by delivering quality products that their customers enjoy.

[didymos1120]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

That not everything BioWare says is to be taken at face value.

Would that include Silverman's remarks as quoted in that thread? 

[Ace of Dawn]

Twizz089 wrote...

There is a difference between disscusing a person's opinion and talking down to them for having that opinion.

His already stating that anyone in direct opposition to his idea is a troll, and he still doesn't have anything solid to back up everything. While what some people have been saying is excessive, you've replied in a manner with which you condemned.

[Twizz089]

didymos1120 wrote...

Twizz089 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...


It amuses me that you find a problem with asking for people to back up their unevidenced assertions on a DISCUSSION board.

Funny, I dont remeber saying that I found a problem with people asking a person to back up their claims

You quoted me doing just that, and then condemned it because you see it as "talking down" to someone just for "stating their opinion".  So what exactly is your issue?

Did I quote you for asking him to validate his claims?  Of course not dont be silly   The manner of which you did was what I found amusing.  You are looking too much into this....  BACK TO THE DISCUSSION AT HAND!

Modifié par Twizz089, 12 septembre 2011 - 01:41 .

[didymos1120]

Twizz089 wrote...

Did I quote you from asking him to validate his claims?  Of course not dont be silly

Um, yes, you did exactly that. That's what that entire post was.

[Kaiser Shepard]

didymos1120 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

That not everything BioWare says is to be taken at face value.

Would that include Silverman's remarks as quoted in that thread? 

Everything BioWare says.

[didymos1120]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

That not everything BioWare says is to be taken at face value.

Would that include Silverman's remarks as quoted in that thread? 

Everything BioWare says.

OK, so long as we're being consistent about it.

[Ace of Dawn]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Ace of Dawn wrote...
Except David Silverman is notoriously disconnected from how Bioware operates. On top of that, what was written may not be necessairly what he intended to say.

I certainly hope so.

“What we’re trying to do with Mass Effect 3 is that it’s a
new beginning for the series. It’s probably a natural entry point.
Given the fact this is the beginning of an all-out war with this
ancient alien race. We’ve been foreshadowing this war with this race
that’s been dormant for 50,000 years. Well now they’ve finally woken
up, launching their full scale invasion and trying to wipe out all life
as we know it. It’s a natural point for people to jump in."

“To use that Star Wars analogy, when you started on episode IV, you
didn’t realise you were missing anything, right? There was the Death
Star, and there was the empire; they were attacking and Luke Skywalker
was going in to take ‘em down… You didn’t need to know that there three
movies before that setting up who Darth Vader​
and Anakin were. It’s kind of a similar thing. In ME3, you’re going to
start the war and end the war in the same game. It’s pretty
self-contained.”


My Translation:
Many people will likely jump into Mass Effect 3 because hearing that it encompasses an all out war with a major threat. The first two games certainly had their appeal and conflict, but upon hearing that this is finally it, many will want to join in on the fun. So we've certainly want to not disappoint the newcomers with a poor experience.

And with that, more people will go back to the first two games and play them to really understand what was going on.

Well, that was easy. This is why I don't like these topics, it's too easy to spin things to fit your opinions and perceptions...

Modifié par Ace of Dawn, 12 septembre 2011 - 01:50 .

[Ace of Dawn]

Nyoka wrote...

(btw, "the Cypher" it's an odd name for some abstract knowledge. Maybe there was more content originally but it was cut out, like Caleston.)

Actually, not really. Ciphers are simply keys used to decrypt codes in encrytped information.

3 9 16 8 5 18

The cipher to that would be A=1, B=2, C=3, etc... So the word is cipher.

In much the same way, we understood all of Prothean culture. The message they sent through the beacons was not simply words or characters, but knowledge. But without understanding how Protheans really thought and saw the world, you can't make sense of anything foreign.

[didymos1120]

Nyoka wrote...

(btw, "the Cypher" it's an odd name for some abstract knowledge. Maybe there was more content originally but it was cut out, like Caleston.)

It wasn't just some bit of abstract knowledge. Rather the opposite.  It was basically the essence of what it was to think like, or even be, a Prothean.  Shiala did explain that in the game.  As for the name, it just refers to the function of allowing one to eventually decode the beacon visions, which were designed for Prothean minds and thus were effectively "encrypted" by a, well, cipher.

ETA: I see that's been covered already.

Modifié par didymos1120, 12 septembre 2011 - 02:05 .

[Cpt-Kirrahe]

As long as the Citadel's Special Tasks Group and Captain Kirrahe play a large role in a Mass Effect 3 mission in a form of some type of speech I think the game will be more than worth buying even for you.

I used to think the most epic speech before a battle was from Aragorn in Return of the King. Then came Captain Kirrahe on Virmire.

[Kusy]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

oh brother it is another complainer that doesn't understand how trilogies work.

Then please explain to me good sir... how does a trilogy work when it's third installment is advertised as a best point of entry for new fans? Hmmm?

http://t3.gstatic.co...xCxy0fmp8Uw2qBA

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 12 septembre 2011 - 02:23 .

[Ace of Dawn]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Ace of Dawn wrote...

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Ace of Dawn wrote...
Except David Silverman is notoriously disconnected from how Bioware operates. On top of that, what was written may not be necessairly what he intended to say.

I certainly hope so.

“What we’re trying to do with Mass Effect 3 is that it’s a
new beginning for the series. It’s probably a natural entry point.
Given the fact this is the beginning of an all-out war with this
ancient alien race. We’ve been foreshadowing this war with this race
that’s been dormant for 50,000 years. Well now they’ve finally woken
up, launching their full scale invasion and trying to wipe out all life
as we know it. It’s a natural point for people to jump in."

“To use that Star Wars analogy, when you started on episode IV, you
didn’t realise you were missing anything, right? There was the Death
Star, and there was the empire; they were attacking and Luke Skywalker
was going in to take ‘em down… You didn’t need to know that there three
movies before that setting up who Darth Vader​
and Anakin were. It’s kind of a similar thing. In ME3, you’re going to
start the war and end the war in the same game. It’s pretty
self-contained.”


My Translation:
Many people will likely jump into Mass Effect 3 because hearing that it encompasses an all out war with a major threat. The first two games certainly had their appeal and conflict, but upon hearing that this is finally it, many will want to join in on the fun. So we've certainly want to not disappoint the newcomers with a poor experience.

And with that, more people will go back to the first two games and play them to really understand what was going on.

Well, that was easy. This is why I don't like these topics, it's too easy to spin things to fit your opinions and perceptions...

This doesn't say that our decisions from the previous games will matter.

Oh, you're right there, they split up his responses. But really, the only thing relevant to that thought:

“We’ve really struck a great balance. Obviously, if you’ve played the
game before you’ll see things that apply to you… And even if you’ve
played the games multiple times before – Mass Effect came out almost
eight years ago – you’re not going to remember all the details from
when you played that game, right? Even I can’t recall everything that
happened to me when that came out in 2007. It’s human nature. We’re not
Rain Man​…"

Well, that stills says nothing. You don't remember every single choice you've made, so things will come out of nowhere. And the romance thing very clearly just means that YOU can decide to do anything about that. You know? Have a choice? Shocking, this whole choice thing.

Quite honestly, I just love that the OP of that topic you linked to left this out:

“New people will get it, but existing fans will see the stakes being
raised. It will still have levels of nuance – I don’t want to spoil
anything – but you’re definitely going to be seeing things that you’ll
be like: ‘Oh, I remember that!’

Really, that says it all right there. New people will be able to get into the game and understand, but existing fans will see their choices have impact.

But we've both made up our minds, why bother saying otherwise? In fact, I envy you. Your pessimism means that either you're right, and you can say as much. Or you're wrong, and you will be pleasently surprised.

Whereas I will either be right, and enjoy the game without ever doubting Bioware or anything of the sort. Or will be wrong, and see my choices have little impact on the game.

So you'll always gain something. Whereas I don't have 100% guarantee on anything. Oh well, still going to enjoy it.

[essarr71]

Mr.Kusy wrote...


Then please explain to me good sir... how does a trilogy work when it's third installment is advertised as a best point of entry for new fans? Hmmm?

Key word: advertised.