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[Someone With Mass]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

What the haters and complainers don't understand is that you don't put all of your fireworks in the second act, you have them in the third act. Oh how little the haters and complainers know about trilogies. Oh how ignorant the haters and complainers are.

This is true.

It's so painfully obvious that decisions like releasing/destroying the rachni or rewriting/destroying the heretic geth won't show the results until ME3, where they matter the most.

It'd like if those armies which liberated Gondor in Return of the King are wasted on defending Helm's Deep in Two Towers.

[naledgeborn]

If it makes you feel any better LevaughnX, I remember a tweet from a while back from one of the writers implying that minor assignments like gathering (or not) Matriarch Dilanaga's writings would have repercussions in Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 12 septembre 2011 - 09:46 .

[LeVaughnX]

naledgeborn wrote...

If it makes you feel any better LevaughnX, I remember a tweet from a while back from one of the writers implying that minor assignments like gathering (or not) Matriarch Dilanaga's writings would have repercussions in Mass Effect 3.

Some things like the writings having a reprecussion would be kind of stupid - but a minor little think like finding a Prothean artifiact or not could influence some small upgrade or some form of knowledge that you can use later.

I just felt like some of the "possibly plot-user-friendly" minor things could have developed a lot more than they did / will. While some of the major things also failed to really give us something worth while (saving Kaidan or Ashley had absolutely no say in how they reacted in ME2..if anything they seem to be ungreatful little fu*ktards...)

Mass Effect was a strange beast for me; I liked it a lot and its on my top five games easily. But when I saw just how the series was evolving I had my fears that ME2 or 3 would just flop....And ME2 came through for me - but ME3...I don't know....it depends on how far they stray from the Original Characters Lore / the Story and the Logic which made ME1 and some of ME2 beautiful.

[naledgeborn]

Mass Effect is Casey Hudson's baby. He will not let it turn to **** at the behest of EA or even the doctors.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 12 septembre 2011 - 10:00 .

[mopotter]

littlezack wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...
 I've played both games around fourty times total so far

Oh, well, see, there's your problem right there. You're obsessed.

Also, Toy Story 3 was awesome. You're nuts.

Well I'm obsessed too and I disagree with the OP.  So I don't think obsession has anything to do with it.  Just ones viewpoint and as said, I disagree with his viewpoint.

I'm one of the vs supporters.  I like the way Ash and Kaidan call you out for working with cerberus.  I liked the e-mail and I'm glad they were not part of my team becuase I want them in ME3.  

I also like the little things like Helen Blake and how she is a little different depending on how you left her.  Maybe I'm just easily satisfied but I never expected ME 2 to include large parts of the story to these side quest.  I'll wait till I play ME3 before I complain that what I did in the past two games didn't impact the 3rd.

[KotorEffect3]

I never really expected to see major repercussions in ME 2 even before it came out because well I knew that my major decisions would come to play during the climax of the trilogy and the climax is ME 3 not ME 2. ME 2 is the middle chapter, Sam and Frodo didn't reach Mordor in Act 2, Luke didn't confront the emprorer in Act 2, why should major confrontations come to play in ME 2?

[The Spamming Troll]

in about 7 months hopefully im not complaining about enemy protections AND having no consequences. i mean one seems to take enough of my time.

i dont care to see sideuqests fullfilled, but things like the rachni, the genophade, the geth, the collector base, and main choices are all things that should be in ME3. and not just a cameo or one of these hyper-futuristic emails.

[KotorEffect3]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

in about 7 months hopefully im not complaining about enemy protections AND having no consequences. i mean one seems to take enough of my time.

i dont care to see sideuqests fullfilled, but things like the rachni, the genophade, the geth, the collector base, and main choices are all things that should be in ME3. and not just a cameo or one of these hyper-futuristic emails.

ME 3 is the climax why did you expect major repercussions in the second act?  The second act is not the climax.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

robarcool wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Anyone actually think that maybe Bioware will release a Mass Effect Trilogy bundle featuring all three games and DLC for all systems?

Just sayin'

Not going to happen. Microsoft still holds the rights for first ME game and under no circumstances (unless MS acquires Sony lol!) will they allow a game to be published on a rival platform.

Well considering how Sony got hacked twice, got mocked on their motion controller for looking like a lollipop and the fact that their "VP of <insert job title here> commercial have stopped being funny, Billy may end up buying them.

Sad if that happened.

[Kaiser Shepard]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

in about 7 months hopefully im not complaining about enemy protections AND having no consequences. i mean one seems to take enough of my time.

i dont care to see sideuqests fullfilled, but things like the rachni, the genophade, the geth, the collector base, and main choices are all things that should be in ME3. and not just a cameo or one of these hyper-futuristic emails.

ME 3 is the climax why did you expect major repercussions in the second act?  The second act is not the climax.

Why can't there be? Why shouldn't there be? Same goes for the first act.

Assuming the Paragon rachni decision doesn't come to bite people in the ass, I see no reason why those filthy bugs couldn't have come to help out at the Battle of the Citadel. Or Freedom's Progress. Or Horizon. Or pretty much every other level.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 13 septembre 2011 - 12:26 .

[Victia]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

oh brother it is another complainer that doesn't understand how trilogies work.

+1.

+ another 1

[Warlock Adam]

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[KotorEffect3]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

in about 7 months hopefully im not complaining about enemy protections AND having no consequences. i mean one seems to take enough of my time.

i dont care to see sideuqests fullfilled, but things like the rachni, the genophade, the geth, the collector base, and main choices are all things that should be in ME3. and not just a cameo or one of these hyper-futuristic emails.

ME 3 is the climax why did you expect major repercussions in the second act?  The second act is not the climax.

Why can't there be? Why shouldn't there be? Same goes for the first act.

Assuming the Paragon rachni decision doesn't come to bite people in the ass, I see no reason why those filthy bugs couldn't have come to help out at the Battle of the Citadel. Or Freedom's Progress. Or Horizon. Or pretty much every other level.

And by doing so you diminish the impact their appearence in ME 3 has on the player.  I am glad they held back so ME 3 won't be diminished just to satisfy the cravings of the crowd that lacks forsight and patience.

[The Spamming Troll]

its a good thing nothing happens in ME2. it looks like they must have saved everything for ME3.

[KotorEffect3]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

its a good thing nothing happens in ME2. it looks like they must have saved everything for ME3.

You can't say "nothing" happens in ME 2 they just saved the big stuff for ME 3.   My ME 2 runs consist of about 50 hours of gameplay (DLC included) so there must have been something going on.

[RAF1940]

mango smoothie wrote...

Who's to say they won't reward long time fans.

They don't want to ****** of PS3 users.

[Omega4RelayResident]

WOW.... just wow. I want whatever he is having to cause such delusions.

[Greed1914]

CaineMaster wrote...

Bioware has already said choices from Mass Effect 1 and 2 will have an effect on ME3. For ps3 users choices from me1 will be set to default i'm assuming

That is what I figure.  The bigger decisions won't go ignored entirely.  It's just that PS3 players will have to go with the default on some of them.  There were various things in ME2 that were set to default if you didn't play ME1, so I don't see how this will be any different.  

[Gatt9]

Someone With Mass wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

What the haters and complainers don't understand is that you don't put all of your fireworks in the second act, you have them in the third act. Oh how little the haters and complainers know about trilogies. Oh how ignorant the haters and complainers are.

This is true.

It's so painfully obvious that decisions like releasing/destroying the rachni or rewriting/destroying the heretic geth won't show the results until ME3, where they matter the most.

It'd like if those armies which liberated Gondor in Return of the King are wasted on defending Helm's Deep in Two Towers.

Oh how ignorant the fanatics are,  that they heard the same statements before ME2 released,  none of it was true,  and here we are today with the same statements and they think it'll actually be different this time.

I don't know about you guys,  but I only had to pull the finger once before I learned that "No,  really,  it'll be different this time!" never is.

Well considering how Sony got hacked twice, got mocked on their motion controller for looking like a lollipop and the fact that their "VP of <insert job title here> commercial have stopped being funny, Billy may end up buying them.

Sad if that happened.

It's unlikely they could afford it.  Sony is a great deal larger than just the PS3,  the Bluray rights alone are worth far,  far,  more than the PS3 is.  Never mind the electronics division,  heck,  IIRC Sony is even an Insurance company in Japan.  Then there's Sony's movie production departments...

The PS3 really just isn't all that big in the grand scheme of things,  it sells to a subset of people,  at best people ~40 and younger.  Movies,  TV,  Cameras,  Laptops,  those sell to everyone.

[whywhywhywhy]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

Wait untill Mass Effect 3.
I predict massive repercussions for your actions from both games.

E-mails.

ROFL

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Gatt9 wrote...

Oh how ignorant the fanatics are,  that they heard the same statements before ME2 released,  none of it was true,  and here we are today with the same statements and they think it'll actually be different this time.

I don't know about you guys,  but I only had to pull the finger once before I learned that "No,  really,  it'll be different this time!" never is.

You have to be a fanatic to have a little bit of faith?

[whywhywhywhy]

alperez wrote...

While the Op may have gone a bit over the top in the reasoning justifying their concerns, the concerns themselves are actually valid.

A lot of people on these boards put a lot of faith into what bioware have continually said about the trilogy, that choices do matter and you will see the repurcussion of those choices.

People were dissappointed with how me2 incorporated these choices and basically reduced them down to simple nods and winks, but most accepted that the true repurcussions of choices could really only be shown in me3.

We're now hearing all the same things we heard before me2 was released and people once again start to worry that perhaps rather than see any real differences due to choices we've made we'll instead once again be given little nods and winks to those choices.

When you start to give the impression that the crew of me2 actually don't really matter and will in all likelihood play a reduced role in me3, when you show that no matter what choice you made at the end of me2, the collector base still ends up being used by cerberus and you still end up fighting cerberus forces, it begins to look as if choices may only affect flavour rather than have any significant ramifications.

Bioware keep trotting out the same standard replies when pushed on certain topics, choices matter, squadmate status can't be discussed as its too spoilery and you need to play me3 to see how the choices actually do affect the story.

The problem though is partly the whole Bioware/Ea connection and more so me2 and da2 and how they were perceived in certain regards.

Unlike pre these 2 events when people could and did trust bioware at their word, people are much more skeptical simply because 1. EA are the devil and 2. The ramifications of choice was reduced to its simplest form in me2, default games (inc. ps3's genesis) removed so many elements that people wonder if the choices they made will carry forward, 3. Dragon age 2 showed bioware are not above releasing an extremely flawed experience.

For some people mass effect 3 is a last chance saloon for bioware, if they find the game is dumbed down (their terms not mine) and that choices are in the end meaningless from the 2 games so far, then bioware will lose a large part of the fanbase and goodwill they have so clearly earned.

With new fans and with their attempts to appeal to a larger market share perhaps the loss of these people may not in the end bother them, however its a slippery slope for a company to start down that route, one that some companies never truly recover from.

but if they don't and if what we get is not the culmination of a trilogy where choices do indeed matter, then for me its time to say adieu to another great rpg company.

I aree with all I've quoted above I think you truly nail down the issues and contrary to believe the op does have a point.

Mr.Kusy wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

oh
brother it is another complainer that doesn't understand how trilogies
work.

Then please explain to me good sir... how does a
trilogy work when it's third installment is advertised as a best point
of entry for new fans? Hmmm?

http://t3.gstatic.co...xCxy0fmp8Uw2qBA

+2
1 for the pic the other for your point.