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[Cyberarmy]

http://www.gamespot....tor;all;title;2

And in FPS....
Another milestone of the gaming era just got ruined.
While i was still in the middle of my grumbling/cursing for Fallout/Xcom/Commandos this happened.

Thanks, really thanks for nothing.
i hope game devolopers stop messing with oldies and let us  remember them how they were...


Edit: Got some mistakes while writing in fury.

Modifié par Cyberarmy, 12 septembre 2011 - 11:04 .

[Morroian]

Yes apparently the only way to remake classic non FPS games is to make them into FPSs, ridiculous really.

Apparently Paradox would like to do a Syndicate inspired game in the original style.

[Cutlass Jack]

Another facepalm moment for gaming.

Front Mission was another series that got 'reimagined' terribly from strategy to action. Admittedly I hold out some small hope for the new Xcom being decent. But I still would have preferred it had stuck to its original formula.

[Chromie]

Morroian wrote...

Yes apparently the only way to remake classic non FPS games is to make them into FPSs, ridiculous really.

Apparently Paradox would like to do a Syndicate inspired game in the original style.

Have to love Paradox they make great strategy games.

EA saw the success of Deus Ex and decided to force the devs into this I bet.

Devs: "We think it would be really great to bring back one of our old
strategy franchises. With modern tech we could really improve it and do what we
always wanted to do."

Publisher: "Great! So you want to turn it into an FPS? Nice idea, always a
huge market for that, especially if you add vehicles."

Devs: "Uh, no, we didn't say -"

Publisher: "No need to explain why, we understand. Gamers don't want to think
any more, just make big explosions, yes? Right, right! Look, let's do lunch
tomorrow and we'll discuss what DRM to use."


I bet next will be Alpha Centauri.

[Cyberarmy]

Actually im waiting for Civ series to become FPS.
Start with sticks and stones, conquer some low-lifes force them to research and build.
There you go.

At least it wont happen while Sid Meier is around.

[Chromie]

Cyberarmy wrote...

Actually im waiting for Civ series to become FPS.
Start with sticks and stones, conquer some low-lifes force them to research and build.
There you go.

At least it wont happen while Sid Meier is around.

There is an mmo planned so who knows.

[Turnip Root]

I have this game. I bought it last month when it was called Deus Ex:Human Revolution. I love it but not enough to buy it again under a different title.

[Chromie]

Turnip Root wrote...

I have this game. I bought it last month when it was called Deus Ex:Human Revolution. I love it but not enough to buy it again under a different title.

^ This guy right here has no idea what he is talking about.

I do agree and think EA wants to get in on the cyber punk thing but Syndicate should not be this. Like X-Com they are being dumbed down for mainstream appeal.

[Ulous]

Don't knock it until you've tried it I say.

With that said if it's crap I wont buy it, if it's good then I will. I'm quite interested in seeing what Starbreeze can do with this game to be honest.

Modifié par Ulous, 12 septembre 2011 - 06:59 .

[Funkcase]

Ulous wrote...

Don't knock it until you've tried it I say.

With that said if it's crap I wont buy it, if it's good then I will. I'm quite interested in seeing what Starbreeze can do with this game to be honest.

This.

I wont knock Starbreeze just yet, they made The Darkness and Escape from Butcher bay, two excellent games. I look forward to whatever these guys make. Let's hope they've made the right decision here and make a great game, although becuase the original isn't a FPS I feel Starbreeze have shot themself in the foot, no matter how good the game is some fans will still dislike it becuase it's not the same.

Modifié par Funkcase, 12 septembre 2011 - 08:02 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Ulous wrote...

Don't knock it until you've tried it I say.

With that said if it's crap I wont buy it, if it's good then I will. I'm quite interested in seeing what Starbreeze can do with this game to be honest.

Its not a question if the game will be good or bad on its own merits. Because if they wanted to be judged purely on that basis, they shouldn't have tried to capitalize on the name and made their own product.

[Chromie]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Ulous wrote...

Don't knock it until you've tried it I say.

With that said if it's crap I wont buy it, if it's good then I will. I'm quite interested in seeing what Starbreeze can do with this game to be honest.

Its not a question if the game will be good or bad on its own merits. Because if they wanted to be judged purely on that basis, they shouldn't have tried to capitalize on the name and made their own product.

^ This.

If it were a new IP I probably wouldn't care but no Stardock or EA decided to butcher the game instead of making a strategy game or brand new IP.

[Morroian]

Turnip Root wrote...

I have this game. I bought it last month when it was called Deus Ex:Human Revolution. I love it but not enough to buy it again under a different title.

Apparently it was sold to EA as a Deus Ex style game.

[Cutlass Jack]

On vaguely related note, turn based strategy RPGs aren't completely dead yet. Or maybe just Undead. Just saw a writeup on Chaosium's Call of Cthulhu RPG coming to the Iphone of all places.

Call of Cthulu: The Wasted Land. No release date yet, but I want it.

[Rockworm503]

Funkcase wrote...

Ulous wrote...

Don't knock it until you've tried it I say.

With that said if it's crap I wont buy it, if it's good then I will. I'm quite interested in seeing what Starbreeze can do with this game to be honest.

This.

I wont knock Starbreeze just yet, they made The Darkness and Escape from Butcher bay, two excellent games. I look forward to whatever these guys make. Let's hope they've made the right decision here and make a great game, although becuase the original isn't a FPS I feel Starbreeze have shot themself in the foot, no matter how good the game is some fans will still dislike it becuase it's not the same.

Normally I would agree with you but taking an established game and changing it to something that might sell more is wrong no matter how you spin it.
Anyone who watches Spoony and has seen his take on XCOM and I'm in total agreement with him.  I don't know anything about Syndicate but I don't have to.  Its a strategy game being turned into a shooter.
Oh lets just wait and see it might be good.
Yes why not make a good shooter and call it something else?

[Stanley Woo]

Do you hear that, game developers and intellectual property owners? Don't ever change genres, platforms, themes, stories or characters to help sell your games! If you sell more copies or make more money than Spacewar!, you're doing something wrong!

Now, back to work on that Pong game!... no, wait, the Atari Home Pong console came out after the Magnavox Odyssey. I better think of some more original games to develop on the Magnavox Odyssey...

/sarcasm

[Rockworm503]

Of course your right Stanley. If you want Mass Effect to be a fighting game then by all means do it! Screw story just throw a bunch of your characters from all your games and just make it a mishmash beat em up.
Works great for nintendo

[Nerdage]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Normally I would agree with you but taking an established game and changing it to something that might sell more is wrong no matter how you spin it.

Mid series I might agree, but it seems like they're just using an existing setting to host a new type of game, I'm not seeing the betrayal. It's no worse than extended media for any setting; they weren't screwing over Star Wars fans by using the setting to host games; they weren't screwing over Dragon Age fans by using the setting to host books; and they're not screwing over fans of this setting by using it as a setting for a different type of game.

If it's not for you then don't bother with it, it's just extended media, it doesn't stop you enjoying the original games. If they suddenly stopped making Dragon Age games and said "if you want to find out how the story ends, you'll have to read this book" I might be annoyed, but as far as I can tell that's not what's going on here.

Modifié par nerdage, 13 septembre 2011 - 12:54 .

[slimgrin]

Another FPS... *yawn*

Gotta diasagree with Stan on this one, publishers aren't branching out at all, they're conforming to the most popular genre. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 13 septembre 2011 - 01:08 .

[Rockworm503]

slimgrin wrote...

Another FPS... *yawn*

Gotta diasagree with Stan on this one, publishers aren't branching out at all, they're conforming to the most popular genre. 

For once we agree on something.  I don't know anything about Syndicate, but like I said before I'm not happy with what their doing to X-Com.

[Dragoonlordz]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Do you hear that, game developers and intellectual property owners? Don't ever change genres, platforms, themes, stories or characters to help sell your games! If you sell more copies or make more money than Spacewar!, you're doing something wrong!

Now, back to work on that Pong game!... no, wait, the Atari Home Pong console came out after the Magnavox Odyssey. I better think of some more original games to develop on the Magnavox Odyssey...

/sarcasm

Lowest form of wit. Expected better from you.... Who am I kidding, no I didn't.

It wouldn't be so bad if they didnt't change specifically the franchises I liked and just went with one's I did not.

Front Mission and X-Com were two of my all time favorite franchise's [prior] to the desire to re-invent the wheel that developers are stuck on right now turning every genre into the same genre replacing those aforementioned genres with mix and match approach using elements from them. As for Syndicate I liked it, but not loved so less annoyed by this news. However as a genre being killed off [strategy] for the goal of cashing in on well loved strategy titles of past by remaking into FPS and action titles... I am far from impressed.

Warhammer 40k is another one that has gone from strategy to another brand name cash cow, genre change.

My magic 8 ball tells me in ten years time all strategy titles will be FPS [with strategy elements] and all RPG's mere action games with [RPG elements]... Or worse no [elements] at all.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 septembre 2011 - 02:55 .

[Ultai]

I'm usually not, but I can't help but be cynical and really start to believe the bean counters at EA are having some impact on game design.

[Dragoonlordz]

nerdage wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Normally I would agree with you but taking an established game and changing it to something that might sell more is wrong no matter how you spin it.

Mid series I might agree, but it seems like they're just using an existing setting to host a new type of game, I'm not seeing the betrayal. It's no worse than extended media for any setting; they weren't screwing over Star Wars fans by using the setting to host games; they weren't screwing over Dragon Age fans by using the setting to host books; and they're not screwing over fans of this setting by using it as a setting for a different type of game.

If it's not for you then don't bother with it, it's just extended media, it doesn't stop you enjoying the original games. If they suddenly stopped making Dragon Age games and said "if you want to find out how the story ends, you'll have to read this book" I might be annoyed, but as far as I can tell that's not what's going on here.

All pointless aspect of comment crossed out, it is not extended media it is the same media, video games. Has nothing to do with extended media and you were stretching with that whole direction you came at it from in first place. You should of stuck to Star Wars video games, Dragon Age video games because has nothing to do at all with books or movies. If going down same media type and decide to bring up movies then it's like the first two titles of LotR then switching the third one to Pop Idol or X-Factor style, while you might enjoy Gandalf singing I will always love you; the fact is the people waiting for the third LotR movie will be pissed off.

There is radical change like DAO to DA2 which came with huge backlash as Bioware very well knows and often happens in every franchise which undergoes such radicalisation. Then there is complete genre change which is a whole new ball park, if a franchise which consists of more than few titles all same genre then that genre is expected to be kept too. They could bring in elements from other games but the genre should stay the same in that main series.

If they so desire to go a completely new route then create a new IP or franchise which will not spit on the fans of the original series from a great height to make a quick buck. If they were the original creators and decided to make a [spin off] series then it should be seporate from the main series even if uses same brand name and the main series should still be in production else it is them dropping the old fans for a new audience which again will greatly annoy the fanbase of the original.

For the love of god stop cashing in on old strategy titles to make some quick cash by using an existing brand name associated with something else. By all means if wish to make something new and make radical changes then use another franchise, if wish to make a spin off series then give the fans what they loved and run this new spiin off parallel to the original [continuing] series. But stop crapping on original fans for quick buck turning every genre into either a FPS or action title.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 septembre 2011 - 03:27 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Do you hear that, game developers and intellectual property owners? Don't ever change genres, platforms, themes, stories or characters to help sell your games! If you sell more copies or make more money than Spacewar!, you're doing something wrong!

Now, back to work on that Pong game!... no, wait, the Atari Home Pong console came out after the Magnavox Odyssey. I better think of some more original games to develop on the Magnavox Odyssey...

/sarcasm

I think fans would be entirely right to object if Pong was turned into a first person shooter instead of about table tennis. Personally I think a 'gore' toggle would make Pong slightly more interesting, but I'm not a fan.

[Cyberarmy]

OH yeah i want a Pong FPS now! Multiplayer possiblities just burned my brain.

And Mr.Woo please don't post if you don't have anything constructive.
Anyone with a brain can understand gaming industry is going for the profits after CoD success.

We are not arguing it would be good game or bad, we are just mourning an old, classic, superb strategy game which had soul and style and shaped the tactical strategy genre.

So please give us a break while we (at lest I) cry silently in our corner.

Modifié par Cyberarmy, 13 septembre 2011 - 08:13 .