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ubermensch007 wrote...

What... Have I... Unleashed on this thread?

The Krakken... Final Fantasy Addition

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Modifié par bobobo878, 14 septembre 2011 - 05:49 .

[UnadoptedTrack]

So, can we just agree we went off track so we can get back on track?

[UnadoptedTrack]

If Kai Leng assassinated someone important, but then we had to go chase after him, while going through Cerberus Operatives to get to him, but no matter what he'll escape. You see him jump on, and his appearance becomes known, and as you play through the game you'll have to deal with him more and more, until finally you get a chance to actually kill him.

That's something I think could work.

[Han Shot First]

A tough boss fight would be nice.

Though Commander Shepard > Kai Leng

Kai Leng was defeated by Anderson, and I think Shepard is a better soldier than Anderson was.

[essensx]

i would love hand-to-hand submission against Leng

[ubermensch007]

JamieCOTC wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

He needs to be established as a credible threat/antagonist to Shepard. If Shepard just tosses him around like he does everyone else then it's just one more ego-indulging power fantasy for the player, which really is quite disgusting in my opinion.

+ infinity ... and beyond! 

@marshalleck: Okay so i see that alot of people agree with what you wrote here For my part, I to agree in principle, but this is how I look at it.Kai Leng is irrelevent.What I do want to see though.Is BioWare not treat Shepard's ability to either Paragon or Renegade Interupt as if it is invincible.There needs to be moments during Mass Effect 3, where Shepard tries to pull that "Protagonist Card" and someone needs to counter it on par with the skills of my favorite character from Makunochi Ippo:





(This isn't my Desktop screensaver btw, I just found it on google images. It is nice though.)

Modifié par ubermensch007, 14 septembre 2011 - 06:43 .

[Zfazal84_]

Dying Thane= Doc Holiday
Kai Leng= Johnny Ringo
Shepard= Wyatt Earp

[Sajuro]

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Read the Star Wars EU and you will get my drift.

I've read too much of it as it is and it sucks, Fett included.

I won't disagree with you. The majority of EU writers wrote stories that were either too safe or just completely pointless. Dealing with the Imperial Remenants got really tired and don't even get me started on the NJO era (thankfully I never got that far)

I really wish a writer would have touched on the concept of the Grey side of the Force. Plus I wish that they made Leia a full flegged Jedi who rivaled Luke in Force potential. (which was kind of implied in ROTJ) 

Boba Fett in EU became a fanservice nightmare. I was neutral about him in the movies but when I read some EU stories I facepalmed. Fan stories and ideas about his role in the Prequels were even worse. I just don't want Kei Leng to be the Boba Fett (EU) of Mass Effect.

what about the regular boba fett. there to be a badass but gets eaten by a Sarlaac

[mauro2222]

I just want someone that can actually beat Shepard in a fight, he is surprised by Kai Leng or he/she falls into a trap and he/she is defeated in the fight, and Shep is rescued by his/her squad (they need to do something other than just stand in the corner of a cutscene). I mean if Shepard lost the fight, is not like he/she is an idiot who cannot win the war against the reapers, melee combat is not the same as shooting something. I think that if Shep does not win, we are making him/her more human, not some kind of super elite ultra human soldier who is beyond this realm and is capable of fighting against a Jedi too (and win).

Modifié par mauro2222, 24 septembre 2011 - 07:07 .

[Hyperion II]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

One-on-one, hand-to-hand, intense boss fight after multiple encounters in which Leng is a supreme pain in the ass?

I like how this thread thinks.

+1

[JamieCOTC]

Been reading ME:Retribution and Lang appears to be fiercely loyal to TIM and would do anything to further the Cerberus agenda. I won't hold my breath for this to happen, but it would be interesting to see if TIM would allow Lang to be indoctrinated (like Grayson and Saren) in order to make him much more powerful. TIM wouldn't do it unless he's found a way to use indoctrination to his advantage though. But if he has ...

[100k]

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Taking this guy down a peg should be entertaining. 

[Dean_the_Young]

ubermensch007 wrote...

So let me get this right:

You would be "happiest" if the Illusive Man and Kai Leng have "PLOT ARMOR" in Mass Effect 3!?

Since Shepard has never been a Fallout-style 'can kill everyone you pass by' character, plot armor need not apply.

Karmic Houdinis have their place... and part of that is to underscore the lack of omnipotence of the player.

And prevent either one of them from being considered to be a credible foe.People already hate Cerberus for how they behave as though they can just "act with impunity" and you want to go and give them that very thing?!

You needed an imagination two weeks ago if you think 'will not die' means 'act with impunity.'

[Dean_the_Young]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

if you can't defeat Kai Leng, how in the world can you beat the gigantic sentient spaceships? That's just silly.

Because the context you try to be Kai Leng in would be different from the context you beat the gigantic sentient spaceships in.

Unless you think Shepard shooting an assault rifle at the Reapers isn't silly, and that's how it's going to roll?

[Dean_the_Young]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Kai Leng should be hard, perhaps extremely difficult, but the man who's going to defeat the sentient speceships who have been repeating their cycle for untold mellinia should not ultimately "lose" to him. That would be a very cheap way for the game to say, "look, he's badazz, because we said so. Not cause he's good at fighting or anything, but because you aren't aloud to kill him. lulz"

I don't think that's even a possibility. Has Shepard ultimately lost to anyone? If there were any "losing", it would only be so Shepard to dish out some payback. That's how it always goes in Mass Effect. Shepard gets the last laugh, or punch, or shot, or explosion, or whatever.

Well, that's what Dean wants.

No, it isn't.

[Cypher0020]

I'm in the hand to hand camp...while the battle probably will be Leng and Shep shooting at each other....I am REALLY hopng for a one to one fight

Hoping!

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

Sajuro wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Read the Star Wars EU and you will get my drift.

I've read too much of it as it is and it sucks, Fett included.

I won't disagree with you. The majority of EU writers wrote stories that were either too safe or just completely pointless. Dealing with the Imperial Remenants got really tired and don't even get me started on the NJO era (thankfully I never got that far)

I really wish a writer would have touched on the concept of the Grey side of the Force. Plus I wish that they made Leia a full flegged Jedi who rivaled Luke in Force potential. (which was kind of implied in ROTJ) 

Boba Fett in EU became a fanservice nightmare. I was neutral about him in the movies but when I read some EU stories I facepalmed. Fan stories and ideas about his role in the Prequels were even worse. I just don't want Kei Leng to be the Boba Fett (EU) of Mass Effect.

what about the regular boba fett. there to be a badass but gets eaten by a Sarlaac

But how was he a badass when a blind Han Solo got lucky and sent him into Sarlaac's mouth?

mauro2222 wrote...

I just want someone that can actually beat Shepard in a fight, he is surprised by Kai Leng or he/she falls into a trap and he/she is defeated in the fight, and Shep is rescued by his/her squad (they need to do something other than just stand in the corner of a cutscene). I mean if Shepard lost the fight, is not like he/she is an idiot who cannot win the war against the reapers, melee combat is not the same as shooting something. I think that if Shep does not win, we are making him/her more human, not some kind of super elite ultra human soldier who is beyond this realm and is capable of fighting against a Jedi too (and win).

 
Why is it so essential to so that this (Kei Leng)HAS to the way to show us that Shepard isn't overpowered? Why does Kei Leng have to elevated to be more a credible threat than he needs to be? Why is it that somehow if Shepard can reasonably beat someone then he is some sort of omnipotent god? I fail to see the logic here. Shepard has far more daunting tasks that will quite likely prove to be impossible for him/her to win. Elevating Kei Leng to some sort unmovable object for Shepard is kind of pointless. 

[mauro2222]

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

I just want someone that can actually beat Shepard in a fight, he is surprised by Kai Leng or he/she falls into a trap and he/she is defeated in the fight, and Shep is rescued by his/her squad (they need to do something other than just stand in the corner of a cutscene). I mean if Shepard lost the fight, is not like he/she is an idiot who cannot win the war against the reapers, melee combat is not the same as shooting something. I think that if Shep does not win, we are making him/her more human, not some kind of super elite ultra human soldier who is beyond this realm and is capable of fighting against a Jedi too (and win).

 

Why is it so essential to so that this (Kei Leng)HAS to the way to show us that Shepard isn't overpowered? Why does Kei Leng have to elevated to be more a credible threat than he needs to be? Why is it that somehow if Shepard can reasonably beat someone then he is some sort of omnipotent god? I fail to see the logic here. Shepard has far more daunting tasks that will quite likely prove to be impossible for him/her to win. Elevating Kei Leng to some sort unmovable object for Shepard is kind of pointless. 

Is not essential, it can be anybody, but so far nobody seems capable of punching the great Commander Shepard... Nobody is elevating Kai Leng to inmortality here, we want an enemy, made of flesh and blood (or not) that can beat Shepard`s ass in melee combat.

Modifié par mauro2222, 25 septembre 2011 - 12:19 .