Modifié par frozn89, 25 septembre 2011 - 12:39 .
Again I say why? To me I don't really see Shepard as being unstoppable so I fail to see the reason why this needs to be a necessity. I'm okay if Shepard is at best dealing with a rival. I'm not gonna hold my breath though. I'm expecting a lot of dissapointed Kei Leng fan out there.mauro2222 wrote...
TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
mauro2222 wrote...
I just want someone that can actually beat Shepard in a fight, he is surprised by Kai Leng or he/she falls into a trap and he/she is defeated in the fight, and Shep is rescued by his/her squad (they need to do something other than just stand in the corner of a cutscene). I mean if Shepard lost the fight, is not like he/she is an idiot who cannot win the war against the reapers, melee combat is not the same as shooting something. I think that if Shep does not win, we are making him/her more human, not some kind of super elite ultra human soldier who is beyond this realm and is capable of fighting against a Jedi too (and win).
Why is it so essential to so that this (Kei Leng)HAS to the way to show us that Shepard isn't overpowered? Why does Kei Leng have to elevated to be more a credible threat than he needs to be? Why is it that somehow if Shepard can reasonably beat someone then he is some sort of omnipotent god? I fail to see the logic here. Shepard has far more daunting tasks that will quite likely prove to be impossible for him/her to win. Elevating Kei Leng to some sort unmovable object for Shepard is kind of pointless.
Is not essential, it can be anybody, but so far nobody seems capable of punching the great Commander Shepard... Nobody is elevating Kai Leng to inmortality here, we want an enemy, made of flesh and blood (or not) that can beat Shepard`s ass in melee combat.
Which begs the question why Shepard wouldn't just pull an assault rifle/shotgun and waste him. I'm all for an interesting fight, but watching Shepard lose just for the sake of some people's obsession with proving Shepard can actually be hurt? Pass.mauro2222 wrote...
Is not essential, it can be anybody, but so far nobody seems capable of punching the great Commander Shepard... Nobody is elevating Kai Leng to inmortality here, we want an enemy, made of flesh and blood (or not) that can beat Shepard`s ass in melee combat.
Agreed. It doesn't really serve any substantive purpose in plot or character development.TheOptimist wrote...
Which begs the question why Shepard wouldn't just pull an assault rifle/shotgun and waste him. I'm all for an interesting fight, but watching Shepard lose just for the sake of some people's obsession with proving Shepard can actually be hurt? Pass.mauro2222 wrote...
Is not essential, it can be anybody, but so far nobody seems capable of punching the great Commander Shepard... Nobody is elevating Kai Leng to inmortality here, we want an enemy, made of flesh and blood (or not) that can beat Shepard`s ass in melee combat.
TheOptimist wrote...
Which begs the question why Shepard wouldn't just pull an assault rifle/shotgun and waste him. I'm all for an interesting fight, but watching Shepard lose just for the sake of some people's obsession with proving Shepard can actually be hurt? Pass.mauro2222 wrote...
Is not essential, it can be anybody, but so far nobody seems capable of punching the great Commander Shepard... Nobody is elevating Kai Leng to inmortality here, we want an enemy, made of flesh and blood (or not) that can beat Shepard`s ass in melee combat.
100k wrote...
TheOptimist wrote...
Which begs the question why Shepard wouldn't just pull an assault rifle/shotgun and waste him. I'm all for an interesting fight, but watching Shepard lose just for the sake of some people's obsession with proving Shepard can actually be hurt? Pass.mauro2222 wrote...
Is not essential, it can be anybody, but so far nobody seems capable of punching the great Commander Shepard... Nobody is elevating Kai Leng to inmortality here, we want an enemy, made of flesh and blood (or not) that can beat Shepard`s ass in melee combat.
It should be fairly easy to set up a situation where Shepard loses his guns, or something. Hell, Thane could probably beat Shepard in CQC, so seeing a Thane vs Leng fight would be sick.
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Modifié par mauro2222, 25 septembre 2011 - 02:40 .
TheOptimist wrote...
100k wrote...
TheOptimist wrote...
Which begs the question why Shepard wouldn't just pull an assault rifle/shotgun and waste him. I'm all for an interesting fight, but watching Shepard lose just for the sake of some people's obsession with proving Shepard can actually be hurt? Pass.mauro2222 wrote...
Is not essential, it can be anybody, but so far nobody seems capable of punching the great Commander Shepard... Nobody is elevating Kai Leng to inmortality here, we want an enemy, made of flesh and blood (or not) that can beat Shepard`s ass in melee combat.
It should be fairly easy to set up a situation where Shepard loses his guns, or something. Hell, Thane could probably beat Shepard in CQC, so seeing a Thane vs Leng fight would be sick.
Speaking for myself, I play Soldier a lot, and losing all 5 guns would be epically silly. Bad enough in ME 1 when Shep faces Saren and starts plugging away with the pistol. You bring up an excellent point, though, even if Shep loses his/her weapons, why is the squad not doing anything. And I'm not sure where people get this idea that Shep's a slouch in melee combat, among other things Shep took a pair of indoctrinated and fully armored alliance security personnel in a couple of punches. Again, if you look back a couple pages (and 2 weeks ago) I'm not opposed to an epic running battle between Shep, the squad and Kai Leng, but this 'Shep needs to lose!' stuff is just silly.
BTW, Shep HAS lost brief encounters before, both when Saren walks up and grabs Shep by the throat and when Shep loses the midair melee with Vasir, so Shep getting punched is nothing new. The thing with Shepard is he/she's not just gonna sit there and get pummeled, and I get the feeling that's what some people here are rooting for.
100k wrote...
How about a more grey situation? Leng corners Shepard when he's not expecting it, knocks his pistol out of his hand, and engages him in CQC. Shepard doesn't want to go for his other guns, because that could lead Leng to kill him, so we'd finally see some N7 combat (hopefully something like the kick ass Jason Bourne vs Desh fight). Leng cheats by stunning Shepard with something like sand in the eyes, or a stun grenade -- thus establishing that Leng could've potentially won -- but Shepard's squad arrives and takes Leng on. They either take him on in CQC or with guns, but either way, Leng retreats (Shepard's squadmates are almost as skilled as Shepard, after all).
Seeinig Garrus and Thane jump down and start beating the **** out of Leng would be awesome.
mauro2222 wrote...
100k wrote...
How about a more grey situation? Leng corners Shepard when he's not expecting it, knocks his pistol out of his hand, and engages him in CQC. Shepard doesn't want to go for his other guns, because that could lead Leng to kill him, so we'd finally see some N7 combat (hopefully something like the kick ass Jason Bourne vs Desh fight). Leng cheats by stunning Shepard with something like sand in the eyes, or a stun grenade -- thus establishing that Leng could've potentially won -- but Shepard's squad arrives and takes Leng on. They either take him on in CQC or with guns, but either way, Leng retreats (Shepard's squadmates are almost as skilled as Shepard, after all).
Seeinig Garrus and Thane jump down and start beating the **** out of Leng would be awesome.
Yep, this kind of situation is what I would like to see.
I think that Garrus, Thane and Samara are the best for melee combat. Well, there is also Krogans, but apart from getting in berserker mode and charge ahead... I don`t see them fighting against a Justicar.
Agreed.Gabriel Stelinski wrote...
Interrupt based HtH cutscene sounds interesting.
) I would love it if one of those battles was different than just shooting at each other. I think Leng is really on par with Shep, and he (and his battles) should be treated as such.
100k wrote...
How about a more grey situation? Leng corners Shepard when he's not expecting it, knocks his pistol out of his hand, and engages him in CQC. Shepard doesn't want to go for his other guns, because that could lead Leng to kill him, so we'd finally see some N7 combat (hopefully something like the kick ass Jason Bourne vs Desh fight). Leng cheats by stunning Shepard with something like sand in the eyes, or a stun grenade -- thus establishing that Leng could've potentially won -- but Shepard's squad arrives and takes Leng on. They either take him on in CQC or with guns, but either way, Leng retreats (Shepard's squadmates are almost as skilled as Shepard, after all).
Seeinig Garrus and Thane jump down and start beating the **** out of Leng would be awesome.
I would honestly love to see a CQC quicktime battle between Kai Leng and a squad of Cerberus mooks vs. Shepard and two squaddies. Something like the Wash/Meta vs. Tex battle in RVB, with Kai Leng having the upper hand against Shepard or either of the squadmates but being beaten back when any two of them team up and especially when he has to take on all three at once. The mooks would be there to pull people away from the fight with Kai Leng and to get trashed, obviously.
BTW, Shep HAS lost brief encounters before, both when Saren walks up and grabs Shep by the throat and when Shep loses the midair melee with Vasir, so Shep getting punched is nothing new. The thing with Shepard is he/she's not just gonna sit there and get pummeled, and I get the feeling that's what some people here are rooting for.
Matter of opinion, and just cause Shep lost a coin flip doesn't change the fact that Shep lost.I thoroughly agree with the Saren encounter, but not the Vasir fight. Anyone could've come out on top in that tangle.
100k wrote...
CC-Tron wrote...
100k wrote...
It'll be a bit strange to take on Leng in hand to hand if you brought Thane and Garrus with you. Those two are probably on Shepard's level of CQC by themselves -- hell, Thane's probably even better than Shepard/Leng.
Thane showed he's good at sneak attacks but in a straight one on one fight that's different. Garrus hasn't shown any CQC prowess beyond any other squad mate.
Thane's 42 years old, and has been training since he was six. Yeah, he's probably better at hand to hand than even Shepard.
Maybe if Shepard didn't have augments that let him hold his own against a yahg, even though Thane is proabably more skilled Shepard could probably take it cause he can hit harder and take more punishment.
Garrus is one of the top ranked CQC specialists in the turian military. I doubt he's better than Shepard, but he's probably not much worse.
ladyvader wrote...
When Leng takes out two thresher maws on foot, then I will be impressed. My canon femShep will be the end of Leng.
You mean like the guy he/she pushed out a window, to quote one memorable example out of potentially hundreds?BatmanPWNS wrote...
ladyvader wrote...
When Leng takes out two thresher maws on foot, then I will be impressed. My canon femShep will be the end of Leng.
When Shep actually kills something without a gun then I'll be impressed.
Modifié par TheOptimist, 25 septembre 2011 - 09:00 .
mauro2222 wrote...
TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
mauro2222 wrote...
I just want someone that can actually beat Shepard in a fight, he is surprised by Kai Leng or he/she falls into a trap and he/she is defeated in the fight, and Shep is rescued by his/her squad (they need to do something other than just stand in the corner of a cutscene). I mean if Shepard lost the fight, is not like he/she is an idiot who cannot win the war against the reapers, melee combat is not the same as shooting something. I think that if Shep does not win, we are making him/her more human, not some kind of super elite ultra human soldier who is beyond this realm and is capable of fighting against a Jedi too (and win).
Why is it so essential to so that this (Kei Leng)HAS to the way to show us that Shepard isn't overpowered? Why does Kei Leng have to elevated to be more a credible threat than he needs to be? Why is it that somehow if Shepard can reasonably beat someone then he is some sort of omnipotent god? I fail to see the logic here. Shepard has far more daunting tasks that will quite likely prove to be impossible for him/her to win. Elevating Kei Leng to some sort unmovable object for Shepard is kind of pointless.
Is not essential, it can be anybody, but so far nobody seems capable of punching the great Commander Shepard... Nobody is elevating Kai Leng to inmortality here, we want an enemy, made of flesh and blood (or not) that can beat Shepard`s ass in melee combat.
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