TheOptimist wrote...
You mean like the guy he/she pushed out a window, to quote one memorable example out of potentially hundreds?BatmanPWNS wrote...
ladyvader wrote...
When Leng takes out two thresher maws on foot, then I will be impressed. My canon femShep will be the end of Leng.
When Shep actually kills something without a gun then I'll be impressed.
BatmanPWNS wrote...
ladyvader wrote...
When Leng takes out two thresher maws on foot, then I will be impressed. My canon femShep will be the end of Leng.
When Shep actually kills something without a gun then I'll be impressed.
Doesn't he kill the Shadow Broker by dropping whatever was in the ceiling on him?Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
BatmanPWNS wrote...
ladyvader wrote...
When Leng takes out two thresher maws on foot, then I will be impressed. My canon femShep will be the end of Leng.
When Shep actually kills something without a gun then I'll be impressed.
Do tech/biotics count?
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Modifié par patocerda, 26 septembre 2011 - 04:57 .
Zfazal84_ wrote...
TheOptimist wrote...
You mean like the guy he/she pushed out a window, to quote one memorable example out of potentially hundreds?BatmanPWNS wrote...
ladyvader wrote...
When Leng takes out two thresher maws on foot, then I will be impressed. My canon femShep will be the end of Leng.
When Shep actually kills something without a gun then I'll be impressed.
The most memorable one I can think of is when he snaps that merc's neck during Miranda's loyalty mission.
Nashiktal wrote...
I don't think shep would win in a one on one fight. He is surely trained in hand to hand, but its basic stuff you know? Kai leng is crazy good. Most of the people shep fought one on one were either..
1. Taken by surprise. He snaps on idiot mercs neck when he wanders to close without even thinking and pushes another out a window right after "sneaking" up on him. He also punches out some mercs during arrival, but those were also the same geniuses who was keeping shep untied in the SECURITY MECH CONTROL ROOM.
2. Big ole brutes who lack finesse. Shep was able to take on krogan and yahg, but these enemies are NOT very maneuverable and rely on brute strength and endurance. Shep was able for the most part of avoid enemy attacks.
An enemy like Kai leng however... I really think Kai could beat him. Shep hasn't fought someone like him before, and anyone he has it was always by surprise.
Sajuro wrote...
Doesn't he kill the Shadow Broker by dropping whatever was in the ceiling on him?Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
BatmanPWNS wrote...
ladyvader wrote...
When Leng takes out two thresher maws on foot, then I will be impressed. My canon femShep will be the end of Leng.
When Shep actually kills something without a gun then I'll be impressed.
Do tech/biotics count?
And that's why my infiltrator will be sure to ventilate the back of Kai Leng's skull from a safe distance.Nashiktal wrote...
I don't think shep would win in a one on one fight. He is surely trained in hand to hand, but its basic stuff you know? Kai leng is crazy good. Most of the people shep fought one on one were either..
1. Taken by surprise. He snaps on idiot mercs neck when he wanders to close without even thinking and pushes another out a window right after "sneaking" up on him. He also punches out some mercs during arrival, but those were also the same geniuses who was keeping shep untied in the SECURITY MECH CONTROL ROOM.
2. Big ole brutes who lack finesse. Shep was able to take on krogan and yahg, but these enemies are NOT very maneuverable and rely on brute strength and endurance. Shep was able for the most part of avoid enemy attacks.
An enemy like Kai leng however... I really think Kai could beat him. Shep hasn't fought someone like him before, and anyone he has it was always by surprise.
111987 wrote...
Nashiktal wrote...
I don't think shep would win in a one on one fight. He is surely trained in hand to hand, but its basic stuff you know? Kai leng is crazy good. Most of the people shep fought one on one were either..
1. Taken by surprise. He snaps on idiot mercs neck when he wanders to close without even thinking and pushes another out a window right after "sneaking" up on him. He also punches out some mercs during arrival, but those were also the same geniuses who was keeping shep untied in the SECURITY MECH CONTROL ROOM.
2. Big ole brutes who lack finesse. Shep was able to take on krogan and yahg, but these enemies are NOT very maneuverable and rely on brute strength and endurance. Shep was able for the most part of avoid enemy attacks.
An enemy like Kai leng however... I really think Kai could beat him. Shep hasn't fought someone like him before, and anyone he has it was always by surprise.
I completley agree. Shepard is definitley a better soldier, and is probably better with a firearm than Kai Leng is. Plus Shepard has amazing leadership skills, plus whatever other abilities he/she is (like if Shepard is a biotic, or engineer). However, in pure hand to hand, one on one combat? That is Kai Leng's specialty, and he's been doing it and doing it well for several years.
Zfazal84_ wrote...
111987 wrote...
Nashiktal wrote...
I don't think shep would win in a one on one fight. He is surely trained in hand to hand, but its basic stuff you know? Kai leng is crazy good. Most of the people shep fought one on one were either..
1. Taken by surprise. He snaps on idiot mercs neck when he wanders to close without even thinking and pushes another out a window right after "sneaking" up on him. He also punches out some mercs during arrival, but those were also the same geniuses who was keeping shep untied in the SECURITY MECH CONTROL ROOM.
2. Big ole brutes who lack finesse. Shep was able to take on krogan and yahg, but these enemies are NOT very maneuverable and rely on brute strength and endurance. Shep was able for the most part of avoid enemy attacks.
An enemy like Kai leng however... I really think Kai could beat him. Shep hasn't fought someone like him before, and anyone he has it was always by surprise.
I completley agree. Shepard is definitley a better soldier, and is probably better with a firearm than Kai Leng is. Plus Shepard has amazing leadership skills, plus whatever other abilities he/she is (like if Shepard is a biotic, or engineer). However, in pure hand to hand, one on one combat? That is Kai Leng's specialty, and he's been doing it and doing it well for several years.
Like someone mentioned earlier a hand to hand fight wouldn't be very practical when you take into consideration what class you are. Adept Shepard can just toss him around like a rag doll using singularity or pull Vanguard Shep could just send him flying out into space with biotic charge. Although it's possible that Leng now has biotic abilities thanks to Cybernetic upgrades but let's ignore that for a second and focus on Kai Leng from the book. He does have pretty impressive Cqc skills but he's not biotic that already would put him at a huge disadvantage if he went up against Adept Shepard or any of Shepard's squadmates that are biotic. I can picture Leng jumping around doing a bunch of crazy kung fu crap and Adept Shepard just waving his hand lifting him up and slamming Leng into a wall and breaking every bone in his body lol
Modifié par Arokel, 26 septembre 2011 - 08:44 .
I like this idea better, it doesn't seem right that Kai leng is going to be Shepard's nemesis, of sorts. I'd be more excited if Thane intervened and made the fight personal with Kai leng instead. But more then likely Thane will be incapacitated if he tried so they can get the "uber/awesome" shepard fight. I do hope it proves entertaining.Silentblaze wrote...
How bout Thane vs Kai Leng in a stealth duel on Deck 3. Alien assassin and human ninja both try to out-sneak each other. Loser gets his neck snapped.
111987 wrote...
Zfazal84_ wrote...
111987 wrote...
Nashiktal wrote...
I don't think shep would win in a one on one fight. He is surely trained in hand to hand, but its basic stuff you know? Kai leng is crazy good. Most of the people shep fought one on one were either..
1. Taken by surprise. He snaps on idiot mercs neck when he wanders to close without even thinking and pushes another out a window right after "sneaking" up on him. He also punches out some mercs during arrival, but those were also the same geniuses who was keeping shep untied in the SECURITY MECH CONTROL ROOM.
2. Big ole brutes who lack finesse. Shep was able to take on krogan and yahg, but these enemies are NOT very maneuverable and rely on brute strength and endurance. Shep was able for the most part of avoid enemy attacks.
An enemy like Kai leng however... I really think Kai could beat him. Shep hasn't fought someone like him before, and anyone he has it was always by surprise.
I completley agree. Shepard is definitley a better soldier, and is probably better with a firearm than Kai Leng is. Plus Shepard has amazing leadership skills, plus whatever other abilities he/she is (like if Shepard is a biotic, or engineer). However, in pure hand to hand, one on one combat? That is Kai Leng's specialty, and he's been doing it and doing it well for several years.
Like someone mentioned earlier a hand to hand fight wouldn't be very practical when you take into consideration what class you are. Adept Shepard can just toss him around like a rag doll using singularity or pull Vanguard Shep could just send him flying out into space with biotic charge. Although it's possible that Leng now has biotic abilities thanks to Cybernetic upgrades but let's ignore that for a second and focus on Kai Leng from the book. He does have pretty impressive Cqc skills but he's not biotic that already would put him at a huge disadvantage if he went up against Adept Shepard or any of Shepard's squadmates that are biotic. I can picture Leng jumping around doing a bunch of crazy kung fu crap and Adept Shepard just waving his hand lifting him up and slamming Leng into a wall and breaking every bone in his body lol
Biotic attacks can be dodged. And in your confrontation, you make it seem like Kai Leng is at least a few meters away. Kai Leng is an assassin; he's not going to charge down a hallway right at Shepard or something. He'll be dropping from a ceiling or something and engaging Shepard at knife-fighting range. With that kind of proximity, biotics and tech powers are useless.
At least that's what I think Kai Leng would do.
Zfazal84_ wrote...
111987 wrote...
Zfazal84_ wrote...
111987 wrote...
Nashiktal wrote...
I don't think shep would win in a one on one fight. He is surely trained in hand to hand, but its basic stuff you know? Kai leng is crazy good. Most of the people shep fought one on one were either..
1. Taken by surprise. He snaps on idiot mercs neck when he wanders to close without even thinking and pushes another out a window right after "sneaking" up on him. He also punches out some mercs during arrival, but those were also the same geniuses who was keeping shep untied in the SECURITY MECH CONTROL ROOM.
2. Big ole brutes who lack finesse. Shep was able to take on krogan and yahg, but these enemies are NOT very maneuverable and rely on brute strength and endurance. Shep was able for the most part of avoid enemy attacks.
An enemy like Kai leng however... I really think Kai could beat him. Shep hasn't fought someone like him before, and anyone he has it was always by surprise.
I completley agree. Shepard is definitley a better soldier, and is probably better with a firearm than Kai Leng is. Plus Shepard has amazing leadership skills, plus whatever other abilities he/she is (like if Shepard is a biotic, or engineer). However, in pure hand to hand, one on one combat? That is Kai Leng's specialty, and he's been doing it and doing it well for several years.
Like someone mentioned earlier a hand to hand fight wouldn't be very practical when you take into consideration what class you are. Adept Shepard can just toss him around like a rag doll using singularity or pull Vanguard Shep could just send him flying out into space with biotic charge. Although it's possible that Leng now has biotic abilities thanks to Cybernetic upgrades but let's ignore that for a second and focus on Kai Leng from the book. He does have pretty impressive Cqc skills but he's not biotic that already would put him at a huge disadvantage if he went up against Adept Shepard or any of Shepard's squadmates that are biotic. I can picture Leng jumping around doing a bunch of crazy kung fu crap and Adept Shepard just waving his hand lifting him up and slamming Leng into a wall and breaking every bone in his body lol
Biotic attacks can be dodged. And in your confrontation, you make it seem like Kai Leng is at least a few meters away. Kai Leng is an assassin; he's not going to charge down a hallway right at Shepard or something. He'll be dropping from a ceiling or something and engaging Shepard at knife-fighting range. With that kind of proximity, biotics and tech powers are useless.
At least that's what I think Kai Leng would do.
Any Soldier with Special Forces training knows how to do that. I don't see how that makes Kai Leng all that special. Shepard has most likely had similar training in cqc and will be armed with his own omni tech blade to defend himself against Leng's knife attack.
We really have no idea how good Shepard is cqc because 95% of the time he is facing multiple armed opponents. But Shepard is N7 so he was must be very good. Shepard is also augmented with Cybernetics that increase strength and could probably Kill an unaugmented human with a single well placed punch. I think you guys are giving Leng a little way too much credit. He uses alot of sneaky under handed tactics to win (even using a biotic kid) and he got outsmarted and shot in the legs by Anderson. and he would have gotton his ass handed to him by Reaper Grayson had Anderson not intervened. I would be willing to go as far to say that Shepard with his augmentations is already on par with Reaper Grayson in terms of power and strength.
Now if Leng gets augmented which he probably will then at that point well.. yeah then its anyone's game.
but Leng without any augmentations would totally be destroyed by Shepard.
you're right, he's a named merc that Shepard can just blow to smithereens.111987 wrote...
Zfazal84_ wrote...
111987 wrote...
Zfazal84_ wrote...
111987 wrote...
Nashiktal wrote...
I don't think shep would win in a one on one fight. He is surely trained in hand to hand, but its basic stuff you know? Kai leng is crazy good. Most of the people shep fought one on one were either..
1. Taken by surprise. He snaps on idiot mercs neck when he wanders to close without even thinking and pushes another out a window right after "sneaking" up on him. He also punches out some mercs during arrival, but those were also the same geniuses who was keeping shep untied in the SECURITY MECH CONTROL ROOM.
2. Big ole brutes who lack finesse. Shep was able to take on krogan and yahg, but these enemies are NOT very maneuverable and rely on brute strength and endurance. Shep was able for the most part of avoid enemy attacks.
An enemy like Kai leng however... I really think Kai could beat him. Shep hasn't fought someone like him before, and anyone he has it was always by surprise.
I completley agree. Shepard is definitley a better soldier, and is probably better with a firearm than Kai Leng is. Plus Shepard has amazing leadership skills, plus whatever other abilities he/she is (like if Shepard is a biotic, or engineer). However, in pure hand to hand, one on one combat? That is Kai Leng's specialty, and he's been doing it and doing it well for several years.
Like someone mentioned earlier a hand to hand fight wouldn't be very practical when you take into consideration what class you are. Adept Shepard can just toss him around like a rag doll using singularity or pull Vanguard Shep could just send him flying out into space with biotic charge. Although it's possible that Leng now has biotic abilities thanks to Cybernetic upgrades but let's ignore that for a second and focus on Kai Leng from the book. He does have pretty impressive Cqc skills but he's not biotic that already would put him at a huge disadvantage if he went up against Adept Shepard or any of Shepard's squadmates that are biotic. I can picture Leng jumping around doing a bunch of crazy kung fu crap and Adept Shepard just waving his hand lifting him up and slamming Leng into a wall and breaking every bone in his body lol
Biotic attacks can be dodged. And in your confrontation, you make it seem like Kai Leng is at least a few meters away. Kai Leng is an assassin; he's not going to charge down a hallway right at Shepard or something. He'll be dropping from a ceiling or something and engaging Shepard at knife-fighting range. With that kind of proximity, biotics and tech powers are useless.
At least that's what I think Kai Leng would do.
Any Soldier with Special Forces training knows how to do that. I don't see how that makes Kai Leng all that special. Shepard has most likely had similar training in cqc and will be armed with his own omni tech blade to defend himself against Leng's knife attack.
We really have no idea how good Shepard is cqc because 95% of the time he is facing multiple armed opponents. But Shepard is N7 so he was must be very good. Shepard is also augmented with Cybernetics that increase strength and could probably Kill an unaugmented human with a single well placed punch. I think you guys are giving Leng a little way too much credit. He uses alot of sneaky under handed tactics to win (even using a biotic kid) and he got outsmarted and shot in the legs by Anderson. and he would have gotton his ass handed to him by Reaper Grayson had Anderson not intervened. I would be willing to go as far to say that Shepard with his augmentations is already on par with Reaper Grayson in terms of power and strength.
Now if Leng gets augmented which he probably will then at that point well.. yeah then its anyone's game.
but Leng without any augmentations would totally be destroyed by Shepard.
Kai Leng is also N7. So he had the same training as Shepard, except he practices CQC far more often than Shepard (as it is his livelihood).
All Alliance soldiers get cybernetic enhancements, plus Kai Leng is Cerberus. So he definitley has some enhancements. More than Shepard? Who knows. But it's very possible they are on equal footing.
You're underselling Kai Leng, and taking things way out of context. In case you forgot, Kai Leng took on both Anderson and Kahlee, while they were armed, and disarmed them with the utmost ease. This is the same Anderson who was also N7 and is known as the most decorated soldier in the Alliance. And no, his age isn't a factor because as the book explains, he still has another 10-20 years in the prime of his life due to medical enhancements. Kai Leng was only caught because of the Turian docking police holding him up and giving Anderson enough time to stun him (note that Kai Leng still brought down two of the Turians in just a few seconds of combat).
The guy then scrapes the skin off his forearms to escape the shuttle he's imprisoned on, and then decides to go after Reaper Grayson unarmed. He was a second away from securing a weapon that would have killed Grayson; if he had a weapon, Grayson would have been dead. He was then clever enough and determined enough to crawl to a shuttle with bullet wounds in both legs, and escaped.
This guy isn't some random merc Shepard can just blow to smithereens.
Sajuro wrote...
you're right, he's a named merc that Shepard can just blow to smithereens.
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