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[Nashiktal]

If you want to be technical, its the shadow broker that killed himself because the idiot put a glass ceiling full of lethal crap over his head.

[Dariustwinblade]

Dude Zaeed killed a krogan WARLORD(not some random bar krogan) in a hand to hand fight. And the butchered the rest of his bloodpack while they were registering what happened.

He has done more than Lang. Yet he still needed help lifting himself up. And could be killed by Shepard.

Shepard smashed the blunt side of his shotgun at a krogan and then blasted him to death. While the krogan was armed and pointing his gun at him ready to fire.
This krogan was not a random krogan but the single most strongest krogan Biotic Warlord in generations. Urdnot Wrex.

Don't underestimate Shepard.

[100k]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Dude Zaeed killed a krogan WARLORD(not some random bar krogan) in a hand to hand fight. And the butchered the rest of his bloodpack while they were registering what happened.

He has done more than Lang. Yet he still needed help lifting himself up. And could be killed by Shepard.

Shepard smashed the blunt side of his shotgun at a krogan and then blasted him to death. While the krogan was armed and pointing his gun at him ready to fire.
This krogan was not a random krogan but the single most strongest krogan Biotic Warlord in generations. Urdnot Wrex.

Don't underestimate Shepard.

Yeah, well...I wouldn't exactly want to fight Zaeed in one-on-one combat. Even Shepard might think twice before engaging Zaeed + Jessie.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Zaeed and Jessie make the single most badass combo in the galaxy. There's no denying that.

[Saberchic]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Dude Zaeed killed a krogan WARLORD(not some random bar krogan) in a hand to hand fight. And the butchered the rest of his bloodpack while they were registering what happened.

He has done more than Lang. Yet he still needed help lifting himself up. And could be killed by Shepard.

Shepard smashed the blunt side of his shotgun at a krogan and then blasted him to death. While the krogan was armed and pointing his gun at him ready to fire.
This krogan was not a random krogan but the single most strongest krogan Biotic Warlord in generations. Urdnot Wrex.

Don't underestimate Shepard.

Ah, yes. The "my krogan kill was more badass than your krogan kill" argument.

Krogans are hard to kill. Period. Doing so with only a knife is extremely impressive. I think it will be a great battle between Leng and Shep.

Both have undergone N7 training. Both have fought against unusually strong opponents. As I said before, I don't think we've seen the full potential of Kai Leng. He shouldn't be written off easily. To me, Shep and Leng are about equal. Both have strengths and weaknesses. I look forward to kicking some assassin butt and then recruiting him.

Oh, and people, Thane is so dying. I don't think he'll be at peak condition to fight Leng. Besides, there are plenty of players who had him die in the SM. He's alive in my playthroughs, but I still don't want him fighting Leng. That man is mine. I'm calling frickin' dibs right now. I'm fighting him.

[SKBlitz2176]

Given the amount of variables of ME2's endings whether paragon/renegade, destroy/save the Collector base, lose a few or none of your squadmates from the SM the encounter with Leng will differ. If Shep is openly hostile towards aliens based on the dialogue choices in the past it may reflect later when Shep and Leng finally meet. Also Leng never talks about Shepard during the events of Retribution, rather instead on killing Paul Grayson, meaning until we know more Leng's opinion of Shepard will vary. What won't vary is the combat; Leng showed his hand-to-hand combat prowess when he took on the Turian fire team in the research base, now we will see Shep's h2h combat skills for the first time...and not just some goofy rifle butt.

Modifié par KingSick, 27 septembre 2011 - 08:14 .

[Zfazal84_]

[quote]111987 wrote...

[quote]Zfazal84_ wrote...

[quote]111987 wrote...

[quote]Zfazal84_ wrote...

[quote]111987 wrote...

[quote]Nashiktal wrote...

I don't think shep would win in a one on one fight. He is surely trained in hand to hand, but its basic stuff you know? Kai leng is crazy good. Most of the people shep fought one on one were either..

1. Taken by surprise. He snaps on idiot mercs neck when he wanders to close without even thinking and pushes another out a window right after "sneaking" up on him. He also punches out some mercs during arrival, but those were also the same geniuses who was keeping shep untied in the SECURITY MECH CONTROL ROOM.

2. Big ole brutes who lack finesse. Shep was able to take on krogan and yahg, but these enemies are NOT very maneuverable and rely on brute strength and endurance. Shep was able for the most part of avoid enemy attacks.

An enemy like Kai leng however... I really think Kai could beat him. Shep hasn't fought someone like him before, and anyone he has it was always by surprise. [/quote]

I completley agree. Shepard is definitley a better soldier, and is probably better with a firearm than Kai Leng is. Plus Shepard has amazing leadership skills, plus whatever other abilities he/she is (like if Shepard is a biotic, or engineer). However, in pure hand to hand, one on one combat? That is Kai Leng's specialty, and he's been doing it and doing it well for several years.

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Like someone mentioned earlier a hand to hand fight wouldn't be very practical when you take into consideration what class you are. Adept Shepard can just toss him around like a rag doll using singularity or pull  Vanguard Shep could just send him flying out into space with biotic charge. Although it's possible that Leng now has biotic abilities thanks to Cybernetic upgrades but let's ignore that for a second and focus on Kai Leng from the book. He does have pretty impressive Cqc skills but he's not biotic that already would put him at a huge disadvantage if he went up against Adept Shepard or any of Shepard's squadmates that are biotic. I can picture Leng jumping around doing a bunch of crazy kung fu crap and Adept Shepard just waving his hand lifting him up and slamming Leng into a wall and breaking every bone in his body lol
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Biotic attacks can be dodged. And in your confrontation, you make it seem like Kai Leng is at least a few meters away. Kai Leng is an assassin; he's not going to charge down a hallway right at Shepard or something. He'll be dropping from a ceiling or something and engaging Shepard at knife-fighting range. With that kind of proximity, biotics and tech powers are useless.

At least that's what I think Kai Leng would do.

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Any Soldier with Special Forces training knows how to do that. I don't see how that makes Kai Leng all that special. Shepard has most likely had similar training in cqc and will be armed with his own omni tech blade to defend himself against Leng's knife attack.

We really have no idea how good Shepard is cqc because 95% of the time he is facing multiple armed opponents. But Shepard is N7 so he was must be very good.  Shepard is also augmented with Cybernetics that increase strength and could probably Kill an unaugmented human with a single well placed punch. I think you guys are giving Leng a little way too much credit. He uses alot of sneaky under handed tactics to win (even using a biotic kid) and he got outsmarted and shot in the legs by Anderson. and he would have gotton his ass handed to him by Reaper Grayson had Anderson not intervened.  I would be willing to go as far to say that Shepard with his augmentations is already on par with Reaper Grayson in terms of power and strength.

Now if Leng gets augmented which he probably will then at that point well.. yeah then its anyone's game.

but Leng without any augmentations would totally be destroyed by Shepard.[/quote]

Kai Leng is also N7. So he had the same training as Shepard, except he practices CQC far more often than Shepard (as it is his livelihood).

All Alliance soldiers get cybernetic enhancements, plus Kai Leng is Cerberus. So he definitley has some enhancements. More than Shepard? Who knows. But it's very possible they are on equal footing.

You're underselling Kai Leng, and taking things way out of context. In case you forgot, Kai Leng took on both Anderson and Kahlee, while they were armed, and disarmed them with the utmost ease. This is the same Anderson who was also N7 and is known as the most decorated soldier in the Alliance. And no, his age isn't a factor because as the book explains, he still has another 10-20 years in the prime of his life due to medical enhancements. Kai Leng was only caught because of the Turian docking police holding him up and giving Anderson enough time to stun him (note that Kai Leng still brought down two of the Turians in just a few seconds of combat).

The guy then scrapes the skin off his forearms to escape the shuttle he's imprisoned on, and then decides to go after Reaper Grayson unarmed. He was a second away from securing a weapon that would have killed Grayson; if he had a weapon, Grayson would have been dead. He was then clever enough and determined enough to crawl to a shuttle with bullet wounds in both legs, and escaped.

This guy isn't some random merc Shepard can just blow to smithereens.















Alliance soldiers recieve genetic enhancements that cure disease, genetic defects, and most likely increase strength and endurance. Not cybernetic enhancements that Shepard got from the Lazerus project. When you are choosing what class you want to play as you are choosing with augmentations you want Cerberus to put on Shepard.  Mass Effect 3 Leng will probably have cybernetcs that make him much more powerful  but at the time of the book he's not augmented to the same level as Shepard not even close. I don't recall Leng being able to cloak, having enhanced reflexes (Andrenaline Rush) or being able to launch a biotic singularity or turn people to ice, or perform biotic charge (the coolest power in the game in my opinion) Even when you are playing the game you squad really doesn't help that much.. Shepard is the one doing like 90% of the killing (unless you really suck at the game) Leng has no biotic or tech abilites what so ever  (you call that enhaced?)which is why he tricked Nick into helping him because he knew he was at a disadvantage with Grayson.

You are overselling Kai Leng. being able to disarm and overpower an Alliance Admiral who has had a desk job for the last several years and a female scientist with basic combat traing is not anything to brag about. Anderson hasn't seen combat in years so he wasnt a bit out of practice. Anderson was decorated more for his leadershop and strategic skills then his skills in cqc I might had. Kai leng got caught because Anderson and Kahlee intentionally caused a scuffle between them and the Turian guards so that Anderson could get a hold of one of their stun guns The whole thing was staged by them. So even if Anderson couldn't beat him in cqc he still managed to outwit him. Proving that Kai Leng is not in fact this invincible super assassin.


Yes Grayson would have been dead if Leng got a hold of that weapon

but he didnt

 Grayson knocked the pistol out of Leng's hand breaking his wrist in the process. So no matter how fast Leng was Grayson was faster.  Like Shepard Grayson was enhanced with Cybernetics that increased his strength and speed even injured he would have killed Kai Leng in one blow. If it wasn't for Anderson.

He went after him unarmed yeah so? doesn't mean he was going to beat Grayson he nearly lost. even though he tricked Nick into launchng a biotic attack. He escaped to the shuttle not because he was clever but because Anderson allowed him to escape otherwise NIck would have bled to death Kai Leng used a dumb kid as leverage to aid his escape. I don't see that as badass or clever but underhanded and cowardly.

Modifié par Zfazal84_, 27 septembre 2011 - 09:03 .

[111987]

Zfazal84_ wrote...

Alliance soldiers recieve genetic enhancements that cure disease, genetic defects, and most likely increase strength and endurance. Not cybernetic enhancements that Shepard got from the Lazerus project. When you are choosing what class you want to play as you are choosing with augmentations you want Cerberus to put on Shepard.  Mass Effect 3 Leng will probably have cybernetcs that make him much more powerful  but at the time of the book he's not augmented to the same level as Shepard not even close. I don't recall Leng being able to cloak, having enhanced reflexes (Andrenaline Rush) or being able to launch a biotic singularity or turn people to ice, or perform biotic charge (the coolest power in the game in my opinion) Even when you are playing the game you squad really doesn't help that much.. Shepard is the one doing like 90% of the killing (unless you really suck at the game) Leng has no biotic or tech abilites what so ever  (you call that enhaced?)which is why he tricked Nick into helping him because he knew he was at a disadvantage with Grayson.

You are overselling Kai Leng. being able to disarm and overpower an Alliance Admiral who has had a desk job for the last several years and a female scientist with basic combat traing is not anything to brag about. Anderson hasn't seen combat in years so he wasnt a bit out of practice. Anderson was decorated more for his leadershop and strategic skills then his skills in cqc I might had. Kai leng got caught because Anderson and Kahlee intentionally caused a scuffle between them and the Turian guards so that Anderson could get a hold of one of their stun guns The whole thing was staged by them. So even if Anderson couldn't beat him in cqc he still managed to outwit him. Proving that Kai Leng is not in fact this invincible super assassin.


Yes Grayson would have been dead if Leng got a hold of that weapon

but he didnt

 Grayson knocked the pistol out of Leng's hand breaking his wrist in the process. So no matter how fast Leng was Grayson was faster.  Like Shepard Grayson was enhanced with Cybernetics that increased his strength and speed even injured he would have killed Kai Leng in one blow. If it wasn't for Anderson.

He went after him unarmed yeah so? doesn't mean he was going to beat Grayson he nearly lost. even though he tricked Nick into launchng a biotic attack. He escaped to the shuttle not because he was clever but because Anderson allowed him to escape otherwise NIck would have bled to death Kai Leng used a dumb kid as leverage to aid his escape. I don't see that as badass or clever but underhanded and cowardly.

You're right when you say Shepard has more enhancements than Kai Leng as of ME2. My point was is that Kai Leng also has enhancements. And since he's a part of Cerberus, the organization that outfitted Shepard with cybernetics, it's possible he has those enhancements as well. Who knows?

All of those things you mentioned are useless against an assassin. If an assassin gets the drop on anyone, no matter how powerful, the assassin will almost always win. So what if Shepard can launch a singularity if Kai Leng is but a foot behind him, for example?

You shouldn't just dismiss Kai Leng taking out Anderson. The book says that Anderson is still in great shape, so even if his skills aren't quite what they used to be, they are still formidable.

Look, I'm not saying Kai Leng is an invincible super assassin, but just because he lost to an avatar of the Reapers without a weapon doesn't mean he's some mook. And Kai Leng's escape is very impressive whether you care to admit it or not. There's not many people that could have crawled up a frikkin ladder with bullet wounds in both legs.

[Legbiter]

Eh, he's just another mook to put back into the dirt.

[capn233]

Shepard vs Kai Leng will be like Indiana Jones vs Cairo Swordsman in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

But seriously, unless Kai Leng has a bunch of enhancements he doesn't stand a chance against Shepard in a hand to hand fight.

[ddv.rsa]

My Shep is a biotic. If Kai Leng wants to fight cqc he'd just get bounced around the room.

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 27 septembre 2011 - 10:57 .

[Air36723]

Most special forces training (which N7 is supposed to be) receive hand to hand training beyond what normal marines/soldiers/etc do. So just because we haven't seen shep go full hand to hand yet doesnt mean that shep isnt potentially as good as kai leng is. Both are N7s so they should be about equal or it wouldn't be N7.   like the codex says, N means special forces 1-7 is your profeciency level with 7 being the highest.  Just because Shepard prefers a gun doesnt mean he cant kick ass with the best of them without one. Shep just may be one of those guys/girls who prefers to end the threat fast rather then brutally.

Modifié par Air36723, 27 septembre 2011 - 11:54 .

[111987]

Air36723 wrote...

Most special forces training (which N7 is supposed to be) receive hand to hand training beyond what normal marines/soldiers/etc do. So just because we haven't seen shep go full hand to hand yet doesnt mean that shep isnt potentially as good as kai leng is. Both are N7s so they should be "equals". Just because Shepard prefers a gun doesnt mean he cant kick ass with the best of them without one. Shep just may be one of those guys/girls who prefers to end the threat fast rather then brutally.

The difference is that while they both had the same N7 training, their careers diverged greatly from there. Shepard is more than likely a far better soldier and leader than Kai Leng is, while Kai Leng is probably better in CQC than Shepard because CQC is Kai Leng's life.

[Air36723]

111987 wrote...

Air36723 wrote...

Most special forces training (which N7 is supposed to be) receive hand to hand training beyond what normal marines/soldiers/etc do. So just because we haven't seen shep go full hand to hand yet doesnt mean that shep isnt potentially as good as kai leng is. Both are N7s so they should be "equals". Just because Shepard prefers a gun doesnt mean he cant kick ass with the best of them without one. Shep just may be one of those guys/girls who prefers to end the threat fast rather then brutally.

The difference is that while they both had the same N7 training, their careers diverged greatly from there. Shepard is more than likely a far better soldier and leader than Kai Leng is, while Kai Leng is probably better in CQC than Shepard because CQC is Kai Leng's life.

I agree with you kai leng is probably better hand to hand, all i was saying is that we have yet to see how good shep is hand to hand.  he obviously met the criteria to earn his N7 profeciency, and if the allaince military acts anything like todays modern military that profeciency wouldnt have been given to him if he didnt meet or exceed all the standards expected of him, which as special forces includes H2H combat skills.  Can he beat kai leng...maybe maybe not,  i think he can probably hold his own for a good length of time without actually losing, but all that means is he didnt really win either. 

just goin off my experiences in the military when it comes to specialty codes.  I fully admit everyone trains differently but some lvl of skill is implied in the fact that shep reached N7.

[Cypher0020]

Ok maaaaybe I'm the odd one out... but I sorta want to see Shep get his/her ass kicked the first time around...yes it'd be scripted....but still guns... hand to hand.... then the fight breaks and that oh so sweet rematch later on....

I dunno.. Shep's got tech inside, but he/she's still only human...

[1136342t54_]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ok maaaaybe I'm the odd one out... but I sorta want to see Shep get his/her ass kicked the first time around...yes it'd be scripted....but still guns... hand to hand.... then the fight breaks and that oh so sweet rematch later on....

I dunno.. Shep's got tech inside, but he/she's still only human...

Shepard did. Tela biotically kicked shepard in to the ground. Saren nearly broke Shepard's neck before.

[Cypher0020]

That's true..... I guess I want the fight to be of Vasir quality I mean a gun fight, a car chase, taking a flying dive out of a window.... then a final fight

That was a perfect boss fight.... not impossible but not too easy

[1136342t54_]

Thats fair.

[Zfazal84_]

111987 wrote...

Zfazal84_ wrote...

Alliance soldiers recieve genetic enhancements that cure disease, genetic defects, and most likely increase strength and endurance. Not cybernetic enhancements that Shepard got from the Lazerus project. When you are choosing what class you want to play as you are choosing with augmentations you want Cerberus to put on Shepard.  Mass Effect 3 Leng will probably have cybernetcs that make him much more powerful  but at the time of the book he's not augmented to the same level as Shepard not even close. I don't recall Leng being able to cloak, having enhanced reflexes (Andrenaline Rush) or being able to launch a biotic singularity or turn people to ice, or perform biotic charge (the coolest power in the game in my opinion) Even when you are playing the game you squad really doesn't help that much.. Shepard is the one doing like 90% of the killing (unless you really suck at the game) Leng has no biotic or tech abilites what so ever  (you call that enhaced?)which is why he tricked Nick into helping him because he knew he was at a disadvantage with Grayson.

You are overselling Kai Leng. being able to disarm and overpower an Alliance Admiral who has had a desk job for the last several years and a female scientist with basic combat traing is not anything to brag about. Anderson hasn't seen combat in years so he wasnt a bit out of practice. Anderson was decorated more for his leadershop and strategic skills then his skills in cqc I might had. Kai leng got caught because Anderson and Kahlee intentionally caused a scuffle between them and the Turian guards so that Anderson could get a hold of one of their stun guns The whole thing was staged by them. So even if Anderson couldn't beat him in cqc he still managed to outwit him. Proving that Kai Leng is not in fact this invincible super assassin.


Yes Grayson would have been dead if Leng got a hold of that weapon

but he didnt

 Grayson knocked the pistol out of Leng's hand breaking his wrist in the process. So no matter how fast Leng was Grayson was faster.  Like Shepard Grayson was enhanced with Cybernetics that increased his strength and speed even injured he would have killed Kai Leng in one blow. If it wasn't for Anderson.

He went after him unarmed yeah so? doesn't mean he was going to beat Grayson he nearly lost. even though he tricked Nick into launchng a biotic attack. He escaped to the shuttle not because he was clever but because Anderson allowed him to escape otherwise NIck would have bled to death Kai Leng used a dumb kid as leverage to aid his escape. I don't see that as badass or clever but underhanded and cowardly.

You're right when you say Shepard has more enhancements than Kai Leng as of ME2. My point was is that Kai Leng also has enhancements. And since he's a part of Cerberus, the organization that outfitted Shepard with cybernetics, it's possible he has those enhancements as well. Who knows?

All of those things you mentioned are useless against an assassin. If an assassin gets the drop on anyone, no matter how powerful, the assassin will almost always win. So what if Shepard can launch a singularity if Kai Leng is but a foot behind him, for example?

You shouldn't just dismiss Kai Leng taking out Anderson. The book says that Anderson is still in great shape, so even if his skills aren't quite what they used to be, they are still formidable.

Look, I'm not saying Kai Leng is an invincible super assassin, but just because he lost to an avatar of the Reapers without a weapon doesn't mean he's some mook. And Kai Leng's escape is very impressive whether you care to admit it or not. There's not many people that could have crawled up a frikkin ladder with bullet wounds in both legs.

This isn't the first time Anderson has gotton his ass kicked in a fight.  Saren owned him in that bar in the first book he later got his ass owned again by Skarr  and in Retribution his gets his ass kicked twice once by Leng and again by Reaper Grayson.   Honestly he doesn't sound that formidable to me. if he was then Shepard would have recruited him for the suicide mission as well.

Kai Leng doesn't have those enhacements because if he did he wouldnt need a biotic kid to do his dirty work for him he could have easily killed Reaper Grayson without resorting to any sneaky under handed tactics he could have just went at him head on.  and if it wasn't for Anderson Grayson would have killed him that's a fact. 


what if Infilterator Shepard cloaks? how is Leng going to get the drop on Shepard then? if anything Shep would get the drop on him. and Shep is not going to blindly launch biotic attacks he will wait until he actually SEES Leng and this is Shepard we are talking about. He'd see Leng coming trust me. and now that Shep has an omni blade he's even more dangerous at close range.

I'm not denying that Leng is impressive he is, but he is not anymore impressive then Shepard or any of Shepard's squadmates.  Thane (When he was stilll Healthy anyway) Garrus, Samara, Zaeed,  Grunt Wrex,  are all just as badass and they could all take Kai Leng one on one  and Shepard with all his augmentations would totally destroy Leng.  So unless Leng gets augmented (which he probably will) he doesn't stand a chance against Shepard.


He can fight like a  krogan, run like a lepard but he'll never be better then Commander Shepard

[111987]

Zfazal84_ wrote...

111987 wrote...

Zfazal84_ wrote...

Alliance soldiers recieve genetic enhancements that cure disease, genetic defects, and most likely increase strength and endurance. Not cybernetic enhancements that Shepard got from the Lazerus project. When you are choosing what class you want to play as you are choosing with augmentations you want Cerberus to put on Shepard.  Mass Effect 3 Leng will probably have cybernetcs that make him much more powerful  but at the time of the book he's not augmented to the same level as Shepard not even close. I don't recall Leng being able to cloak, having enhanced reflexes (Andrenaline Rush) or being able to launch a biotic singularity or turn people to ice, or perform biotic charge (the coolest power in the game in my opinion) Even when you are playing the game you squad really doesn't help that much.. Shepard is the one doing like 90% of the killing (unless you really suck at the game) Leng has no biotic or tech abilites what so ever  (you call that enhaced?)which is why he tricked Nick into helping him because he knew he was at a disadvantage with Grayson.

You are overselling Kai Leng. being able to disarm and overpower an Alliance Admiral who has had a desk job for the last several years and a female scientist with basic combat traing is not anything to brag about. Anderson hasn't seen combat in years so he wasnt a bit out of practice. Anderson was decorated more for his leadershop and strategic skills then his skills in cqc I might had. Kai leng got caught because Anderson and Kahlee intentionally caused a scuffle between them and the Turian guards so that Anderson could get a hold of one of their stun guns The whole thing was staged by them. So even if Anderson couldn't beat him in cqc he still managed to outwit him. Proving that Kai Leng is not in fact this invincible super assassin.


Yes Grayson would have been dead if Leng got a hold of that weapon

but he didnt

 Grayson knocked the pistol out of Leng's hand breaking his wrist in the process. So no matter how fast Leng was Grayson was faster.  Like Shepard Grayson was enhanced with Cybernetics that increased his strength and speed even injured he would have killed Kai Leng in one blow. If it wasn't for Anderson.

He went after him unarmed yeah so? doesn't mean he was going to beat Grayson he nearly lost. even though he tricked Nick into launchng a biotic attack. He escaped to the shuttle not because he was clever but because Anderson allowed him to escape otherwise NIck would have bled to death Kai Leng used a dumb kid as leverage to aid his escape. I don't see that as badass or clever but underhanded and cowardly.

You're right when you say Shepard has more enhancements than Kai Leng as of ME2. My point was is that Kai Leng also has enhancements. And since he's a part of Cerberus, the organization that outfitted Shepard with cybernetics, it's possible he has those enhancements as well. Who knows?

All of those things you mentioned are useless against an assassin. If an assassin gets the drop on anyone, no matter how powerful, the assassin will almost always win. So what if Shepard can launch a singularity if Kai Leng is but a foot behind him, for example?

You shouldn't just dismiss Kai Leng taking out Anderson. The book says that Anderson is still in great shape, so even if his skills aren't quite what they used to be, they are still formidable.

Look, I'm not saying Kai Leng is an invincible super assassin, but just because he lost to an avatar of the Reapers without a weapon doesn't mean he's some mook. And Kai Leng's escape is very impressive whether you care to admit it or not. There's not many people that could have crawled up a frikkin ladder with bullet wounds in both legs.

This isn't the first time Anderson has gotton his ass kicked in a fight.  Saren owned him in that bar in the first book he later got his ass owned again by Skarr  and in Retribution his gets his ass kicked twice once by Leng and again by Reaper Grayson.   Honestly he doesn't sound that formidable to me. if he was then Shepard would have recruited him for the suicide mission as well.

Kai Leng doesn't have those enhacements because if he did he wouldnt need a biotic kid to do his dirty work for him he could have easily killed Reaper Grayson without resorting to any sneaky under handed tactics he could have just went at him head on.  and if it wasn't for Anderson Grayson would have killed him that's a fact. 


what if Infilterator Shepard cloaks? how is Leng going to get the drop on Shepard then? if anything Shep would get the drop on him. and Shep is not going to blindly launch biotic attacks he will wait until he actually SEES Leng and this is Shepard we are talking about. He'd see Leng coming trust me. and now that Shep has an omni blade he's even more dangerous at close range.

I'm not denying that Leng is impressive he is, but he is not anymore impressive then Shepard or any of Shepard's squadmates.  Thane (When he was stilll Healthy anyway) Garrus, Samara, Zaeed,  Grunt Wrex,  are all just as badass and they could all take Kai Leng one on one  and Shepard with all his augmentations would totally destroy Leng.  So unless Leng gets augmented (which he probably will) he doesn't stand a chance against Shepard.


He can fight like a  krogan, run like a lepard but he'll never be better then Commander Shepard

Look at the people who beat Anderson...Saren, arguably the best Spectre in the galaxy, Skarr, one of the most powerful Krogan battlemasters in the galaxy, and an avatar of the Reapers. Losing to those three is not something to be ashamed of.

If Kai Leng has enhancements, he still wouldn't just charge Reaper Grayson. You think Shepard could beat Reaper Grayson unarmed, without any armor? Hell to the NO.

Infiltrator Shepard isn't always cloaked. You do understand how assassins work, right? They attack when their target is least expecting it. As we saw from the book, Kai Leng is very patient. You can be sure that Kai Leng is going to wait for the optimal time to attack.

[100k]

111987 wrote...

Zfazal84_ wrote...

111987 wrote...

Zfazal84_ wrote...

Alliance soldiers recieve genetic enhancements that cure disease, genetic defects, and most likely increase strength and endurance. Not cybernetic enhancements that Shepard got from the Lazerus project. When you are choosing what class you want to play as you are choosing with augmentations you want Cerberus to put on Shepard.  Mass Effect 3 Leng will probably have cybernetcs that make him much more powerful  but at the time of the book he's not augmented to the same level as Shepard not even close. I don't recall Leng being able to cloak, having enhanced reflexes (Andrenaline Rush) or being able to launch a biotic singularity or turn people to ice, or perform biotic charge (the coolest power in the game in my opinion) Even when you are playing the game you squad really doesn't help that much.. Shepard is the one doing like 90% of the killing (unless you really suck at the game) Leng has no biotic or tech abilites what so ever  (you call that enhaced?)which is why he tricked Nick into helping him because he knew he was at a disadvantage with Grayson.

You are overselling Kai Leng. being able to disarm and overpower an Alliance Admiral who has had a desk job for the last several years and a female scientist with basic combat traing is not anything to brag about. Anderson hasn't seen combat in years so he wasnt a bit out of practice. Anderson was decorated more for his leadershop and strategic skills then his skills in cqc I might had. Kai leng got caught because Anderson and Kahlee intentionally caused a scuffle between them and the Turian guards so that Anderson could get a hold of one of their stun guns The whole thing was staged by them. So even if Anderson couldn't beat him in cqc he still managed to outwit him. Proving that Kai Leng is not in fact this invincible super assassin.


Yes Grayson would have been dead if Leng got a hold of that weapon

but he didnt

 Grayson knocked the pistol out of Leng's hand breaking his wrist in the process. So no matter how fast Leng was Grayson was faster.  Like Shepard Grayson was enhanced with Cybernetics that increased his strength and speed even injured he would have killed Kai Leng in one blow. If it wasn't for Anderson.

He went after him unarmed yeah so? doesn't mean he was going to beat Grayson he nearly lost. even though he tricked Nick into launchng a biotic attack. He escaped to the shuttle not because he was clever but because Anderson allowed him to escape otherwise NIck would have bled to death Kai Leng used a dumb kid as leverage to aid his escape. I don't see that as badass or clever but underhanded and cowardly.

You're right when you say Shepard has more enhancements than Kai Leng as of ME2. My point was is that Kai Leng also has enhancements. And since he's a part of Cerberus, the organization that outfitted Shepard with cybernetics, it's possible he has those enhancements as well. Who knows?

All of those things you mentioned are useless against an assassin. If an assassin gets the drop on anyone, no matter how powerful, the assassin will almost always win. So what if Shepard can launch a singularity if Kai Leng is but a foot behind him, for example?

You shouldn't just dismiss Kai Leng taking out Anderson. The book says that Anderson is still in great shape, so even if his skills aren't quite what they used to be, they are still formidable.

Look, I'm not saying Kai Leng is an invincible super assassin, but just because he lost to an avatar of the Reapers without a weapon doesn't mean he's some mook. And Kai Leng's escape is very impressive whether you care to admit it or not. There's not many people that could have crawled up a frikkin ladder with bullet wounds in both legs.

This isn't the first time Anderson has gotton his ass kicked in a fight.  Saren owned him in that bar in the first book he later got his ass owned again by Skarr  and in Retribution his gets his ass kicked twice once by Leng and again by Reaper Grayson.   Honestly he doesn't sound that formidable to me. if he was then Shepard would have recruited him for the suicide mission as well.

Kai Leng doesn't have those enhacements because if he did he wouldnt need a biotic kid to do his dirty work for him he could have easily killed Reaper Grayson without resorting to any sneaky under handed tactics he could have just went at him head on.  and if it wasn't for Anderson Grayson would have killed him that's a fact. 


what if Infilterator Shepard cloaks? how is Leng going to get the drop on Shepard then? if anything Shep would get the drop on him. and Shep is not going to blindly launch biotic attacks he will wait until he actually SEES Leng and this is Shepard we are talking about. He'd see Leng coming trust me. and now that Shep has an omni blade he's even more dangerous at close range.

I'm not denying that Leng is impressive he is, but he is not anymore impressive then Shepard or any of Shepard's squadmates.  Thane (When he was stilll Healthy anyway) Garrus, Samara, Zaeed,  Grunt Wrex,  are all just as badass and they could all take Kai Leng one on one  and Shepard with all his augmentations would totally destroy Leng.  So unless Leng gets augmented (which he probably will) he doesn't stand a chance against Shepard.


He can fight like a  krogan, run like a lepard but he'll never be better then Commander Shepard

Look at the people who beat Anderson...Saren, arguably the best Spectre in the galaxy, Skarr, one of the most powerful Krogan battlemasters in the galaxy, and an avatar of the Reapers. Losing to those three is not something to be ashamed of.

If Kai Leng has enhancements, he still wouldn't just charge Reaper Grayson. You think Shepard could beat Reaper Grayson unarmed, without any armor? Hell to the NO.

Infiltrator Shepard isn't always cloaked. You do understand how assassins work, right? They attack when their target is least expecting it. As we saw from the book, Kai Leng is very patient. You can be sure that Kai Leng is going to wait for the optimal time to attack.

Yeah, but there's only so much one can do when kinetic barriers can stop most bullets. 

[Labrev]

ddv.rsa wrote...

My Shep is a biotic. If Kai Leng wants to fight cqc he'd just get bounced around the room.

He'll probably have kinetics at the very least.

[111987]

100k wrote...

Yeah, but there's only so much one can do when kinetic barriers can stop most bullets. 

Knives (at close range) and hands bypass kinetic barriers. Since that's how Kai Leng operates, it's a non-issue.

[100k]

111987 wrote...

100k wrote...

Yeah, but there's only so much one can do when kinetic barriers can stop most bullets. 

Knives (at close range) and hands bypass kinetic barriers. Since that's how Kai Leng operates, it's a non-issue.

Suppose that's true. I was thinking he'd try to snipe Shepard from distance. CQC still seems a tad risky, just because of the variables. But if he pulled a Thane, he might succeed. 

[111987]

100k wrote...

111987 wrote...

100k wrote...

Yeah, but there's only so much one can do when kinetic barriers can stop most bullets. 

Knives (at close range) and hands bypass kinetic barriers. Since that's how Kai Leng operates, it's a non-issue.

Suppose that's true. I was thinking he'd try to snipe Shepard from distance. CQC still seems a tad risky, just because of the variables. But if he pulled a Thane, he might succeed. 

Oh yeah, I hadn't even considered sniping. Yeah I suppose Kai Leng could be the sniper type; from the book though it seems that he prefers to get in nice and close. But that could just have been from circumstance.