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[whywhywhywhy]

Someone With Mass wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

The less attention I have to give to this character, the better.

I don't want to jump the gun on him, but he sounds like a total Villain-Sue. He's an N7 marine who's suddenly relevant and who killed a krogan with a knife (seriously?) but also happens to be working for Cerberus and apparently can chew through rope and escape a healthy man even when he has two severe leg injuries. How many more excuses do they have to make this guy relevant?

Maybe he wears a bullet-deflecting device like Fortune from MGS2 that he invented by crapping on a pinwheel. Maybe he can stop time by holding his breath like Guldo from DBZ. Or maybe he can jump from heights of over 2 miles without injury due to some ability we discover that he has where his legs automatically brace for impacts?

There's so many potentially great ideas for boss characters and minor antagonists along the way and we'll have to deal with this guy for probably a major portion of the time? Lame.

True. 

Making a counterpart to Shepard of all people is not a good idea.

I agree Kai leng is better suited to face off against Thane or some other crew member.

[whywhywhywhy]

111987 wrote...

thatdude90210 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Kai Leng is known as Ceberus's top wetworks agent, meaning he's one of the deadliest humans in the galaxy. He killed a Turian squad with no armor and shielding with just a knife. Though we didn't get to see much of him, the guy crawled hundreds of meters and up ladders with bullet wounds in both of his legs to escape. That's intense.

He had a pistol too. Shot one of the Turians behind the knee. Plus he caught the Turians off guard, came from behind while they where already in a firefight.  I just read that part last night. I'm new to the novels, just recently got a tablet.

Ah, I forgot about the pistol, my mistake. Either way, it's just as impressive as anything Thane has ever been shown to have done, or Shepard (in terms of CQC).

I disagree reading the SB dossier and seeing the video of him in action puts Thane on a different level then KL.

[whywhywhywhy]

DaftArbiter wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

So you're telling that you RP a "purist", non-transhumanist Shepard, and so you don't get cybernetic upgrades and go through the whole game gimped? If you did I take my hat off to you good sir because you're indeed a glutton for punishment. Otherwise... well you figure it out I'm not trying to start a flamewar.

Understood, I'm not trying to start one either. It's just that I don't care if he's a cyborg or not (well, technically he is, but then, so is everyone) but they hint pretty strongly that he doesn't have that many things that were changed about him from his "death" when his body stopped functioning. Shepard is pretty clearly weaker than krogan (Grunt bullrushes him and he's forced to resort to a pistol to get Grunt to back off, and he has to use the tank-bred one that's defending Okeer to get past the metal barrier so he can reach the warlord). And he doesn't demonstrate any crazy, special senses or abilities that other humans can't technically do. The likelihood that he's got a bunch of extra implants that make him much more powerful is pretty low.

In respnse to bolded.  That didn't seem like an attempt to get him off but more like making him understand his petition to work with him didn't come from weakness.  Krogan respect strength and aggression.  Grunts reaction says as much as well, he wasn't afraid of a little pistol just impressed by Shepard's ploy.

[whywhywhywhy]

jreezy wrote...

111987 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Kai Leng never impressed me that much. Just the male version of Miranda.

Wrex, Zaeed, Samara,Liara and many more have better feats.

Agreed. Kai Leng/Miranda are still quite impressive though.

Kai Leng is nothing like Miranda...

I was gonna say that but I see you took care of it.

We haven't seen Miranda fight without weapons or biotics so we have no idea what she's capable of.

[whywhywhywhy]

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Read the Star Wars EU and you will get my drift.

I've read too much of it as it is and it sucks, Fett included.

I won't disagree with you. The majority of EU writers wrote stories that were either too safe or just completely pointless. Dealing with the Imperial Remenants got really tired and don't even get me started on the NJO era (thankfully I never got that far)

I really wish a writer would have touched on the concept of the Grey side of the Force. Plus I wish that they made Leia a full flegged Jedi who rivaled Luke in Force potential. (which was kind of implied in ROTJ) 

Boba Fett in EU became a fanservice nightmare. I was neutral about him in the movies but when I read some EU stories I facepalmed. Fan stories and ideas about his role in the Prequels were even worse. I just don't want Kei Leng to be the Boba Fett (EU) of Mass Effect.

what about the regular boba fett. there to be a badass but gets eaten by a Sarlaac

But how was he a badass when a blind Han Solo got lucky and sent him into Sarlaac's mouth?

mauro2222 wrote...

I just want someone that can actually beat Shepard in a fight, he is surprised by Kai Leng or he/she falls into a trap and he/she is defeated in the fight, and Shep is rescued by his/her squad (they need to do something other than just stand in the corner of a cutscene). I mean if Shepard lost the fight, is not like he/she is an idiot who cannot win the war against the reapers, melee combat is not the same as shooting something. I think that if Shep does not win, we are making him/her more human, not some kind of super elite ultra human soldier who is beyond this realm and is capable of fighting against a Jedi too (and win).

 
Why is it so essential to so that this (Kei Leng)HAS to the way to show us that Shepard isn't overpowered? Why does Kei Leng have to elevated to be more a credible threat than he needs to be? Why is it that somehow if Shepard can reasonably beat someone then he is some sort of omnipotent god? I fail to see the logic here. Shepard has far more daunting tasks that will quite likely prove to be impossible for him/her to win. Elevating Kei Leng to some sort unmovable object for Shepard is kind of pointless. 

We are in agreement.

Zfazal84_ wrote...

Dying Thane= Doc Holiday
Kai Leng=
Johnny Ringo
Shepard= Wyatt Earp

You get it.

[111987]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

111987 wrote...

thatdude90210 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Kai Leng is known as Ceberus's top wetworks agent, meaning he's one of the deadliest humans in the galaxy. He killed a Turian squad with no armor and shielding with just a knife. Though we didn't get to see much of him, the guy crawled hundreds of meters and up ladders with bullet wounds in both of his legs to escape. That's intense.

He had a pistol too. Shot one of the Turians behind the knee. Plus he caught the Turians off guard, came from behind while they where already in a firefight.  I just read that part last night. I'm new to the novels, just recently got a tablet.

Ah, I forgot about the pistol, my mistake. Either way, it's just as impressive as anything Thane has ever been shown to have done, or Shepard (in terms of CQC).

I disagree reading the SB dossier and seeing the video of him in action puts Thane on a different level then KL.

Perhaps you are right. I'd say we haven't seen enough of Kai Leng to judge, but fair enough.

As for Miranda, she has not shown anything suggesting she has good 'assassin' skills.

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

Oh man! All the Kai Leng fanboy talk only makes me want to see a confrontation like these videos:

www.youtube.com/watch
www.youtube.com/watch 
www.youtube.com/watch (starting 3:08)

Guys please knock it off already. I would like Leng to be a challenge or a doppelganger to Shepard but b!tchslapping Shepard just seems superfluous and pointless.

Modifié par TheShogunOfHarlem, 28 septembre 2011 - 06:20 .

[Swimming Ferret]

Bah, my Femshep is gonna biotically punch Leng's teeth out the back of his head.

And why the hell do people want Shepard to "lose" a fight with Leng? It's stupid, they're Commander Shepard for goodness sake. Kai Leng is small fry compared to the opponents Shepard has killed before.

[100k]

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
Guys please knock it off already. 

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

100k wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
Guys please knock it off already. 

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par TheShogunOfHarlem, 28 septembre 2011 - 06:46 .

[Sajuro]

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Read the Star Wars EU and you will get my drift.

I've read too much of it as it is and it sucks, Fett included.

I won't disagree with you. The majority of EU writers wrote stories that were either too safe or just completely pointless. Dealing with the Imperial Remenants got really tired and don't even get me started on the NJO era (thankfully I never got that far)

I really wish a writer would have touched on the concept of the Grey side of the Force. Plus I wish that they made Leia a full flegged Jedi who rivaled Luke in Force potential. (which was kind of implied in ROTJ) 

Boba Fett in EU became a fanservice nightmare. I was neutral about him in the movies but when I read some EU stories I facepalmed. Fan stories and ideas about his role in the Prequels were even worse. I just don't want Kei Leng to be the Boba Fett (EU) of Mass Effect.

what about the regular boba fett. there to be a badass but gets eaten by a Sarlaac

But how was he a badass when a blind Han Solo got lucky and sent him into Sarlaac's mouth?

He managed to track the Falcon to cloud city when it escaped using the debris trick.
Han Solo got lucky to hit Fett when he was flying.
Vader needed to specify not to use the disintigrator and boba was all like '**** plz'
also he has awesome armor.

[Zfazal84_]

111987 wrote...

Zfazal84_ wrote...

111987 wrote...

Zfazal84_ wrote...

Alliance soldiers recieve genetic enhancements that cure disease, genetic defects, and most likely increase strength and endurance. Not cybernetic enhancements that Shepard got from the Lazerus project. When you are choosing what class you want to play as you are choosing with augmentations you want Cerberus to put on Shepard.  Mass Effect 3 Leng will probably have cybernetcs that make him much more powerful  but at the time of the book he's not augmented to the same level as Shepard not even close. I don't recall Leng being able to cloak, having enhanced reflexes (Andrenaline Rush) or being able to launch a biotic singularity or turn people to ice, or perform biotic charge (the coolest power in the game in my opinion) Even when you are playing the game you squad really doesn't help that much.. Shepard is the one doing like 90% of the killing (unless you really suck at the game) Leng has no biotic or tech abilites what so ever  (you call that enhaced?)which is why he tricked Nick into helping him because he knew he was at a disadvantage with Grayson.

You are overselling Kai Leng. being able to disarm and overpower an Alliance Admiral who has had a desk job for the last several years and a female scientist with basic combat traing is not anything to brag about. Anderson hasn't seen combat in years so he wasnt a bit out of practice. Anderson was decorated more for his leadershop and strategic skills then his skills in cqc I might had. Kai leng got caught because Anderson and Kahlee intentionally caused a scuffle between them and the Turian guards so that Anderson could get a hold of one of their stun guns The whole thing was staged by them. So even if Anderson couldn't beat him in cqc he still managed to outwit him. Proving that Kai Leng is not in fact this invincible super assassin.


Yes Grayson would have been dead if Leng got a hold of that weapon

but he didnt

 Grayson knocked the pistol out of Leng's hand breaking his wrist in the process. So no matter how fast Leng was Grayson was faster.  Like Shepard Grayson was enhanced with Cybernetics that increased his strength and speed even injured he would have killed Kai Leng in one blow. If it wasn't for Anderson.

He went after him unarmed yeah so? doesn't mean he was going to beat Grayson he nearly lost. even though he tricked Nick into launchng a biotic attack. He escaped to the shuttle not because he was clever but because Anderson allowed him to escape otherwise NIck would have bled to death Kai Leng used a dumb kid as leverage to aid his escape. I don't see that as badass or clever but underhanded and cowardly.

You're right when you say Shepard has more enhancements than Kai Leng as of ME2. My point was is that Kai Leng also has enhancements. And since he's a part of Cerberus, the organization that outfitted Shepard with cybernetics, it's possible he has those enhancements as well. Who knows?

All of those things you mentioned are useless against an assassin. If an assassin gets the drop on anyone, no matter how powerful, the assassin will almost always win. So what if Shepard can launch a singularity if Kai Leng is but a foot behind him, for example?

You shouldn't just dismiss Kai Leng taking out Anderson. The book says that Anderson is still in great shape, so even if his skills aren't quite what they used to be, they are still formidable.

Look, I'm not saying Kai Leng is an invincible super assassin, but just because he lost to an avatar of the Reapers without a weapon doesn't mean he's some mook. And Kai Leng's escape is very impressive whether you care to admit it or not. There's not many people that could have crawled up a frikkin ladder with bullet wounds in both legs.

This isn't the first time Anderson has gotton his ass kicked in a fight.  Saren owned him in that bar in the first book he later got his ass owned again by Skarr  and in Retribution his gets his ass kicked twice once by Leng and again by Reaper Grayson.   Honestly he doesn't sound that formidable to me. if he was then Shepard would have recruited him for the suicide mission as well.

Kai Leng doesn't have those enhacements because if he did he wouldnt need a biotic kid to do his dirty work for him he could have easily killed Reaper Grayson without resorting to any sneaky under handed tactics he could have just went at him head on.  and if it wasn't for Anderson Grayson would have killed him that's a fact. 


what if Infilterator Shepard cloaks? how is Leng going to get the drop on Shepard then? if anything Shep would get the drop on him. and Shep is not going to blindly launch biotic attacks he will wait until he actually SEES Leng and this is Shepard we are talking about. He'd see Leng coming trust me. and now that Shep has an omni blade he's even more dangerous at close range.

I'm not denying that Leng is impressive he is, but he is not anymore impressive then Shepard or any of Shepard's squadmates.  Thane (When he was stilll Healthy anyway) Garrus, Samara, Zaeed,  Grunt Wrex,  are all just as badass and they could all take Kai Leng one on one  and Shepard with all his augmentations would totally destroy Leng.  So unless Leng gets augmented (which he probably will) he doesn't stand a chance against Shepard.


He can fight like a  krogan, run like a lepard but he'll never be better then Commander Shepard

Look at the people who beat Anderson...Saren, arguably the best Spectre in the galaxy, Skarr, one of the most powerful Krogan battlemasters in the galaxy, and an avatar of the Reapers. Losing to those three is not something to be ashamed of.

If Kai Leng has enhancements, he still wouldn't just charge Reaper Grayson. You think Shepard could beat Reaper Grayson unarmed, without any armor? Hell to the NO.

Infiltrator Shepard isn't always cloaked. You do understand how assassins work, right? They attack when their target is least expecting it. As we saw from the book, Kai Leng is very patient. You can be sure that Kai Leng is going to wait for the optimal time to attack.

Shepard held his own in a physical struggle (atleast for a time) against a Yahg a creature that's even more powerful then a krogan. Even without weapons and armor he stil has enhanced strength and speed.  Regardless of what class you choose. He most certainly could kill Reaper Grayson unarmed or he'd atleast have a better chance then Kai Leng did My Shep is Vanguard She'd slam into Grayson with a biotic  charge and send him flying across the room could Kai Leng do that? no he couldn't. From my own observations I'd say Shepard is equal to Reaper Grayson in terms of levels of augmentation. Reaper Grayson does moves that are very similar to what Shepard can do in the game and even does something that sounded alot like biotic charge against a krogan. 

Infilterators ARE assasins. They specialize in covert ops. So really infiltertor shepard would probably be the best class to go up ageinst Kai Leng. Shepard knows how assasins work he's dealt with them before and even recruited one. Infact Shep would probably make a pretty good assasin himself.

The only fight Anderson won was against some Batarian thug and he even could barely hold his own against him.  He's a good leader and good strategist and probably very intelligent, but his fighting skills are mediocre at best.  If Kai Leng tried to disarm Shepard, or Thane or Zaeed or Garrus he'd either have his ass owned or the struggle would have gone on for much longer then it did with Anderson.

[Sharn01]

Sajuro wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Read the Star Wars EU and you will get my drift.

I've read too much of it as it is and it sucks, Fett included.

I won't disagree with you. The majority of EU writers wrote stories that were either too safe or just completely pointless. Dealing with the Imperial Remenants got really tired and don't even get me started on the NJO era (thankfully I never got that far)

I really wish a writer would have touched on the concept of the Grey side of the Force. Plus I wish that they made Leia a full flegged Jedi who rivaled Luke in Force potential. (which was kind of implied in ROTJ) 

Boba Fett in EU became a fanservice nightmare. I was neutral about him in the movies but when I read some EU stories I facepalmed. Fan stories and ideas about his role in the Prequels were even worse. I just don't want Kei Leng to be the Boba Fett (EU) of Mass Effect.

what about the regular boba fett. there to be a badass but gets eaten by a Sarlaac

But how was he a badass when a blind Han Solo got lucky and sent him into Sarlaac's mouth?

He managed to track the Falcon to cloud city when it escaped using the debris trick.
Han Solo got lucky to hit Fett when he was flying.
Vader needed to specify not to use the disintigrator and boba was all like '**** plz'
also he has awesome armor.

Yes, Boba Fett is cool, but the EU has blown him way out of proportion, he is now an unstoppable godlike being who could take out the entire republic or empire in their prime in one weekend and still have time to watch football on sunday.  Any time Fett appears in the EU the whole purpose is for the heroes to manage to survive, defeating him is impossible and that is why he has become rediculous fan service, something people dont want to see happen to Leng.

And no, Fett was nothing but respectful to Vader, I would not say he was afraid of him, but he certainly respected him, and would have lost in a confrontation with Vader.  He was a cool looking character who was potrayed as competent and skilled, not an unstoppable force.  The guy spent most of his life as the right hand man to a Hutt, not a job that would be scoffed at, but certainly not a big mover and shaker on a galactic scale.

[111987]

Zfazal84_ wrote...

Shepard held his own in a physical struggle (atleast for a time) against a Yahg a creature that's even more powerful then a krogan. Even without weapons and armor he stil has enhanced strength and speed.  Regardless of what class you choose. He most certainly could kill Reaper Grayson unarmed or he'd atleast have a better chance then Kai Leng did My Shep is Vanguard She'd slam into Grayson with a biotic  charge and send him flying across the room could Kai Leng do that? no he couldn't. From my own observations I'd say Shepard is equal to Reaper Grayson in terms of levels of augmentation. Reaper Grayson does moves that are very similar to what Shepard can do in the game and even does something that sounded alot like biotic charge against a krogan. 

Infilterators ARE assasins. They specialize in covert ops. So really infiltertor shepard would probably be the best class to go up ageinst Kai Leng. Shepard knows how assasins work he's dealt with them before and even recruited one. Infact Shep would probably make a pretty good assasin himself.

The only fight Anderson won was against some Batarian thug and he even could barely hold his own against him.  He's a good leader and good strategist and probably very intelligent, but his fighting skills are mediocre at best.  If Kai Leng tried to disarm Shepard, or Thane or Zaeed or Garrus he'd either have his ass owned or the struggle would have gone on for much longer then it did with Anderson.

If your own observations say that unarmed, unarmored Shepard could take Reaper Grayson in a fight, I question your observational skills.

Infiltrator Shepard is a sniper. Kai Leng can snipe, but he prefers CQC. If anything, an Infiltrator Shepard is the worst class to battle Kai Leng with. How does recruting an assassin matter at all to this? You're just pulling stuff out of nowhere.

Anderson has N7 training, just like Shepard and Kai Leng. So, no, he isn't mediocre.

Kai Leng killed six fully armed and armored Turians with just a knife and a pistol, and he didn't even have a shirt on. I seriously don't get where this whole 'everyone in Shepard's squad would own his ass' idea is coming from...

[Sajuro]

Sharn01 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Read the Star Wars EU and you will get my drift.

I've read too much of it as it is and it sucks, Fett included.

I won't disagree with you. The majority of EU writers wrote stories that were either too safe or just completely pointless. Dealing with the Imperial Remenants got really tired and don't even get me started on the NJO era (thankfully I never got that far)

I really wish a writer would have touched on the concept of the Grey side of the Force. Plus I wish that they made Leia a full flegged Jedi who rivaled Luke in Force potential. (which was kind of implied in ROTJ) 

Boba Fett in EU became a fanservice nightmare. I was neutral about him in the movies but when I read some EU stories I facepalmed. Fan stories and ideas about his role in the Prequels were even worse. I just don't want Kei Leng to be the Boba Fett (EU) of Mass Effect.

what about the regular boba fett. there to be a badass but gets eaten by a Sarlaac

But how was he a badass when a blind Han Solo got lucky and sent him into Sarlaac's mouth?

He managed to track the Falcon to cloud city when it escaped using the debris trick.
Han Solo got lucky to hit Fett when he was flying.
Vader needed to specify not to use the disintigrator and boba was all like '**** plz'
also he has awesome armor.

Yes, Boba Fett is cool, but the EU has blown him way out of proportion, he is now an unstoppable godlike being who could take out the entire republic or empire in their prime in one weekend and still have time to watch football on sunday.  Any time Fett appears in the EU the whole purpose is for the heroes to manage to survive, defeating him is impossible and that is why he has become rediculous fan service, something people dont want to see happen to Leng.

And no, Fett was nothing but respectful to Vader, I would not say he was afraid of him, but he certainly respected him, and would have lost in a confrontation with Vader.  He was a cool looking character who was potrayed as competent and skilled, not an unstoppable force.  The guy spent most of his life as the right hand man to a Hutt, not a job that would be scoffed at, but certainly not a big mover and shaker on a galactic scale.

in my defense, I mainly wanted an excuse to write "btch plz"

[Zfazal84_]

111987 wrote...

Zfazal84_ wrote...

Shepard held his own in a physical struggle (atleast for a time) against a Yahg a creature that's even more powerful then a krogan. Even without weapons and armor he stil has enhanced strength and speed.  Regardless of what class you choose. He most certainly could kill Reaper Grayson unarmed or he'd atleast have a better chance then Kai Leng did My Shep is Vanguard She'd slam into Grayson with a biotic  charge and send him flying across the room could Kai Leng do that? no he couldn't. From my own observations I'd say Shepard is equal to Reaper Grayson in terms of levels of augmentation. Reaper Grayson does moves that are very similar to what Shepard can do in the game and even does something that sounded alot like biotic charge against a krogan. 

Infilterators ARE assasins. They specialize in covert ops. So really infiltertor shepard would probably be the best class to go up ageinst Kai Leng. Shepard knows how assasins work he's dealt with them before and even recruited one. Infact Shep would probably make a pretty good assasin himself.

The only fight Anderson won was against some Batarian thug and he even could barely hold his own against him.  He's a good leader and good strategist and probably very intelligent, but his fighting skills are mediocre at best.  If Kai Leng tried to disarm Shepard, or Thane or Zaeed or Garrus he'd either have his ass owned or the struggle would have gone on for much longer then it did with Anderson.

If your own observations say that unarmed, unarmored Shepard could take Reaper Grayson in a fight, I question your observational skills.

Infiltrator Shepard is a sniper. Kai Leng can snipe, but he prefers CQC. If anything, an Infiltrator Shepard is the worst class to battle Kai Leng with. How does recruting an assassin matter at all to this? You're just pulling stuff out of nowhere.

Anderson has N7 training, just like Shepard and Kai Leng. So, no, he isn't mediocre.

Kai Leng killed six fully armed and armored Turians with just a knife and a pistol, and he didn't even have a shirt on. I seriously don't get where this whole 'everyone in Shepard's squad would own his ass' idea is coming from...

and I question your reading comprehension skills. Shepard is CYBERNETICALLY AUGMENTED just like Grayson. Just because he has no armor or weapons doesnt means the cybernetics inside his body just disapear he'd still have enhanced strength,  he'd still be able to use biotics and he'd still be able to use adrenalline rush and if he still has his omni tool he can still use tech attacks. by the time Grayson arrives at Grissom academy he is already weakened and injured. If Shepard's punches are enough to send a yohg back I'm sure he could take Grayson in a fight.  For god sakes man, YOU PLAY AS SHEPARD Why the hell are you betting against the person you play as? in Mass Effect 3 if  there is a bossfight are you purposely going to let Kai Leng kill you to prove a point? Get real man.

Or maybe you just really suck at the game i don't know in that case yeah Kai Leng could kill you.

Infilterators are actually one of the most overpowered classes in the game.  They are not just snipers they have plenty of other abilities to. and each class will have and a omni blade so they will all be deadly at close range.  and there is a new class called Heavy Melee which focuses entirely on close range combat.

Leng took out 6 turians with a knife? who cares? Adept Shepard or Vanguard Shepard would have just splattered them against the wall with his biotics Soldier Shepard would have just punched them all to death...
 
BIg deal, Samara wiped ouy an entire Mercenary squad all by herself. Jack took down 2 YMIR mechs. Garrus held off three mercenary hit squads by himself for  several days. Wrex took down a thresher maw on foot. Shepard took on a yahg in CQC among other many things. Everyone in Shep's squad is impressive.  What Kai Leng did was impressive but not that impressive. Any  very good Special Forces soldier could do what he did.  (except maybe Anderson knowing his track record in cqc he'd probably get himself killed) Yes Anderson is N7 but of course not all N7 soldiers are equal.  Shepard has a team of the most dangerous people in the galaxy if Leng wasn't such a xenophobe, he'd be a worthy addition to it.

Kai Leng will most likely be a worthy adversay to Shepard when he gets augmented but at the moment no he couldnt beat Shepard not a chance in hell.  He'd probably hold his own against any of Shep's squadmates  for sure. but stop acting like he's the most dangerous badass person in the galaxy because the fact is he's not.  and really the illusive man isn't going to send one guy no matter how tough after Shepard chances are that Leng will be commanding a squad of his own.

[JimiShep]

111987 wrote...

Zfazal84_ wrote...

Shepard held his own in a physical struggle (atleast for a time) against a Yahg a creature that's even more powerful then a krogan. Even without weapons and armor he stil has enhanced strength and speed.  Regardless of what class you choose. He most certainly could kill Reaper Grayson unarmed or he'd atleast have a better chance then Kai Leng did My Shep is Vanguard She'd slam into Grayson with a biotic  charge and send him flying across the room could Kai Leng do that? no he couldn't. From my own observations I'd say Shepard is equal to Reaper Grayson in terms of levels of augmentation. Reaper Grayson does moves that are very similar to what Shepard can do in the game and even does something that sounded alot like biotic charge against a krogan. 

Infilterators ARE assasins. They specialize in covert ops. So really infiltertor shepard would probably be the best class to go up ageinst Kai Leng. Shepard knows how assasins work he's dealt with them before and even recruited one. Infact Shep would probably make a pretty good assasin himself.

The only fight Anderson won was against some Batarian thug and he even could barely hold his own against him.  He's a good leader and good strategist and probably very intelligent, but his fighting skills are mediocre at best.  If Kai Leng tried to disarm Shepard, or Thane or Zaeed or Garrus he'd either have his ass owned or the struggle would have gone on for much longer then it did with Anderson.

If your own observations say that unarmed, unarmored Shepard could take Reaper Grayson in a fight, I question your observational skills.

Infiltrator Shepard is a sniper. Kai Leng can snipe, but he prefers CQC. If anything, an Infiltrator Shepard is the worst class to battle Kai Leng with. How does recruting an assassin matter at all to this? You're just pulling stuff out of nowhere.

Anderson has N7 training, just like Shepard and Kai Leng. So, no, he isn't mediocre.

Kai Leng killed six fully armed and armored Turians with just a knife and a pistol, and he didn't even have a shirt on. I seriously don't get where this whole 'everyone in Shepard's squad would own his ass' idea is coming from...

I have to agree with pretty much everything you said here. Just on a side note, weren't those Turians equivalent to Alliance N7 operatives??? Like the Turians' own spec ops??  I don't remember, but if so then killing 6 of them is amazing!

[111987]

Zfazal84_ wrote...

and I question your reading comprehension skills. Shepard is CYBERNETICALLY AUGMENTED just like Grayson. Just because he has no armor or weapons doesnt means the cybernetics inside his body just disapear he'd still have enhanced strength,  he'd still be able to use biotics and he'd still be able to use adrenalline rush and if he still has his omni tool he can still use tech attacks.

Well of course Kai Leng will lose if you're going to give Shepard every possible ability.

Zfazal84_ wrote...

by the time Grayson arrives at Grissom academy he is already weakened and injured. If Shepard's punches are enough to send a yohg back I'm sure he could take Grayson in a fight.  For god sakes man, YOU PLAY AS SHEPARD Why the hell are you betting against the person you play as? in Mass Effect 3 if  there is a bossfight are you purposely going to let Kai Leng kill you to prove a point? Get real man.

Grayson isn't just cybernetically enhanced; he's an avatar of the Reapers. It's like saying Shepard could have beaten Saren unarmed...just, no...anyways we obviously aren't going to agree here.

Zfazal84_ wrote...


Or maybe you just really suck at the game i don't know in that case yeah Kai Leng could kill you.

Yeah...no...

Zfazal84_ wrote...
Infilterators are actually one of the most overpowered classes in the game.  They are not just snipers they have plenty of other abilities to. and each class will have and a omni blade so they will all be deadly at close range.  and there is a new class called Heavy Melee which focuses entirely on close range combat.

I think you are misunderstanding me. In-game, hell yes am I going to beat the crap out of Kai Leng. I actually happen to be a really good player. This is a discussion about what a confrontation would be like in a book or cutscene.

Zfazal84_ wrote...
Leng took out 6 turians with a knife? who cares? Adept Shepard or Vanguard Shepard would have just splattered them against the wall with his biotics Soldier Shepard would have just punched them all to death...

Well, those Turians sure do care. And once again, just no. Shepard cannot just waltz up to 6 armored and armed Turians, without wearing any armor himself, and just beat the crap out of them. You really are sounding ridiculous here.

Zfazal84_ wrote...
BIg deal, Samara wiped ouy an entire Mercenary squad all by herself.

Not CQC, so irrelevant.

Zfazal84_ wrote...
Jack took down 2 YMIR mechs.

That's the devs taking liberties with the cutscenes; nowhere else has Jack shown that kind of power. But yes, it's very impressive. But it's a different kind of power. For example, if Jack kills 2 YMIR mechs, but then gets sniped and killed by a random mercenary, does that make that random mercenary more powerful than 2 YMIR mechs? Of course not. Same thing with Kai Leng; if this is a gladiator arena type of fight, most of Shepard's squad would beat Kai Leng in battle. But since Kai Leng is an assassin, any confrontation with him will be at a time and location of his choosing, and he'll make sure he's close enough to neutralize many of his opponents advantages.

Zfazal84_ wrote...
Garrus held off three mercenary hit squads by himself for  several days. Wrex took down a thresher maw on foot. Shepard took on a yahg in CQC among other many things.

The rest of these examples have nothing to do with CQC. Shepard also did not beat a Yahg in CQC, it was more of a distraction. Besides, you once again ignore the fact that fighting a big brute like a Yahg is NOTHING like fighting a lithe assassin like Kai Leng.

Zfazal84_ wrote...
Kai Leng will most likely be a worthy adversay to Shepard when he gets augmented but at the moment no he couldnt beat Shepard not a chance in hell.  He'd probably hold his own against any of Shep's squadmates  for sure. but stop acting like he's the most dangerous badass person in the galaxy because the fact is he's not.  and really the illusive man isn't going to send one guy no matter how tough after Shepard chances are that Leng will be commanding a squad of his own.

Rampant speculation; assassins almost always work alone. Why not send your top assassin alone after Shepard? Squadmates just slow him down and eliminate his element of surprise.

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JimiShep wrote...

I have to agree with pretty much everything you said here. Just on a side note, weren't those Turians equivalent to Alliance N7 operatives??? Like the Turians' own spec ops??  I don't remember, but if so then killing 6 of them is amazing!

I don't recall if it ever said anything like that, but I would imagine the Turians would send the best men they had available to end the Cerberus threat.

[JimiShep]

111987 wrote...

JimiShep wrote...

I have to agree with pretty much everything you said here. Just on a side note, weren't those Turians equivalent to Alliance N7 operatives??? Like the Turians' own spec ops??  I don't remember, but if so then killing 6 of them is amazing!

I don't recall if it ever said anything like that, but I would imagine the Turians would send the best men they had available to end the Cerberus threat.

I agree.. I was just hoping for a connection between Turian spec ops training and N7 training. Showing in fact Leng is an excellant fighter when defeating 6 of them.

Side note... if TIM didn't have any plans after the SM why didn't Leng go then?

[Sajuro]

111987 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

you're right, he's a named merc that Shepard can just blow to smithereens.

Glad to know that's all you got out of my post.

Oh I remember Kai Leng being a badass in Retribution, but I also remember him being a monster. If Kai Leng ended up surrendering after the fight (after you find out what he did in retribution)
Kai Leng: Go ahead and take me to prison, see how long it is until -renegade interrupt!-
Shepard: -pulls pistol- Men get sent to prison -shoots Kai Leng in the head- Dogs get put down.

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Sajuro wrote...

111987 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

you're right, he's a named merc that Shepard can just blow to smithereens.

Glad to know that's all you got out of my post.

Oh I remember Kai Leng being a badass in Retribution, but I also remember him being a monster. If Kai Leng ended up surrendering after the fight (after you find out what he did in retribution)
Kai Leng: Go ahead and take me to prison, see how long it is until -renegade interrupt!-
Shepard: -pulls pistol- Men get sent to prison -shoots Kai Leng in the head- Dogs get put down.

That would be actually be awesome. Yeah Kai Leng is a horrible person, completely unethical...and my Shepard will gladly bring him down.

That said, I feel that Kai Leng's character deserves some respect, and should actually be challenging. Unlike pretty much every boss in Mass Effect 2.

[Sajuro]

111987 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

111987 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

you're right, he's a named merc that Shepard can just blow to smithereens.

Glad to know that's all you got out of my post.

Oh I remember Kai Leng being a badass in Retribution, but I also remember him being a monster. If Kai Leng ended up surrendering after the fight (after you find out what he did in retribution)
Kai Leng: Go ahead and take me to prison, see how long it is until -renegade interrupt!-
Shepard: -pulls pistol- Men get sent to prison -shoots Kai Leng in the head- Dogs get put down.

That would be actually be awesome. Yeah Kai Leng is a horrible person, completely unethical...and my Shepard will gladly bring him down.

That said, I feel that Kai Leng's character deserves some respect, and should actually be challenging. Unlike pretty much every boss in Mass Effect 2.

Actually I would like to see Kai Leng kill Shepard's LI and send him into a homicidal rage :happy:

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Sajuro wrote...

Actually I would like to see Kai Leng kill Shepard's LI and send him into a homicidal rage :happy:

Gotta love the drama of it. But I'm pretty sure BSN would literally rise up in arms and attack Bioware if they did this

[Sajuro]

111987 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Actually I would like to see Kai Leng kill Shepard's LI and send him into a homicidal rage :happy:

Gotta love the drama of it. But I'm pretty sure BSN would literally rise up in arms and attack Bioware if they did this

Are you kidding? a third of us are too lazy to do anything other than **** about it on the forums, a third of us don't really care, and then the final third will be saying the "Talimancers" got what they deserved between complaining about how unfair it was that their LI died.