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ThePwener wrote...

Let my writer's imagination take over for a bit.


Let's not: the end of the novel, with his POV, completely contradicts your scenarios for a "broken" Kai Leng.

Modifié par didymos1120, 13 septembre 2011 - 06:31 .


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UnadoptedTrack wrote...

The Illusive Man is cold, ruthless and most likely racist. But, he's not stupid. He wouldn't torture one of his top operatives, especially when the job was completed, albeit not the way T.I.M. wanted it to go, but it was completed none the less.


TIM: There is room for improvement.....

Don't doubt it. Don't pretend to know the man. "Top Operative" means nothing to him. If Leng couldn't take out Anderson, he couldn't even scratch Shepard.

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didymos1120 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Let my writer's imagination take over for a bit.


Let's not: the end of the novel, with his POV, completely contradicts your scenarios for a "broken" Kai Leng.


Again, thank you.

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didymos1120 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Let my writer's imagination take over for a bit.


Let's not: the end of the novel, with his POV, completely contradicts your scenarios for a "broken" Kai Leng.


POV?

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ThePwener wrote...

It was the heat of the moment, you don't know what TIM said to him on his failure, or what he did to him for his failure.


Yes, we do: they have a conversation about it.  And it wasn't considered a failure by TIM:  Grayson had been stopped, which was the primary task he'd been assigned. In fact TIM displays a sign of great trust: despite having moved his space station for security, he gives Kai the new coordinates.

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ThePwener wrote...

POV?


Point of view?

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ThePwener wrote...

TIM: There is room for improvement.....

Don't doubt it. Don't pretend to know the man. "Top Operative" means nothing to him. If Leng couldn't take out Anderson, he couldn't even scratch Shepard.


I'm not saying that. I know Leng couldn't touch a hair on Shepard's head. But, what I'm saying is Leng is one of T.I.M.'s best operatives, and it would be stupid to get rid of him, for no reason, so T.I.M. wouldn't.

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didymos1120 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

POV?


Point of view?


Yeah, we dismiss those here.

Kidding, but we don't know how TIM reacted.

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Must every thread be derailed in this manner?

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UnadoptedTrack wrote...

But, what I'm saying is Leng is one of T.I.M.'s best operatives, and it would be stupid to get rid of him, for no reason, so T.I.M. wouldn't.


I never said get rid of him, what I meant was "cybernetic augmentation", the forced-deforming kind.

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ThePwener wrote...

UnadoptedTrack wrote...

The Illusive Man is cold, ruthless and most likely racist. But, he's not stupid. He wouldn't torture one of his top operatives, especially when the job was completed, albeit not the way T.I.M. wanted it to go, but it was completed none the less.


TIM: There is room for improvement.....

Don't doubt it. Don't pretend to know the man. "Top Operative" means nothing to him. If Leng couldn't take out Anderson, he couldn't even scratch Shepard.


There were extenuating circumstances involving Anderson. And Anderson isn't some noob...if it weren't for Saren he would have been the first human Spectre. He's the most decorated soldier in the Alliance; don't sell him short.

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ThePwener wrote...

I never said get rid of him, what I meant was "cybernetic augmentation", the forced-deforming kind.


...Hold on, it's going to take me a minute to adjust to the bull**** you just threw at me.

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111987 wrote...

There were extenuating circumstances involving Anderson. And Anderson isn't some noob...if it weren't for Saren he would have been the first human Spectre. He's the most decorated soldier in the Alliance; don't sell him short.


I meant it in TIM's "POV". TIM doesn't even care about Shepard's skills, only the results. That guy's ignorance and ego will be his downfall if it isn't obvious enough already.

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Also, before Shep kills Leng, I want to make sure Anderson and Aria have a little fun with him as well. *evil grin*

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ThePwener wrote...

111987 wrote...

There were extenuating circumstances involving Anderson. And Anderson isn't some noob...if it weren't for Saren he would have been the first human Spectre. He's the most decorated soldier in the Alliance; don't sell him short.


I meant it in TIM's "POV". TIM doesn't even care about Shepard's skills, only the results. That guy's ignorance and ego will be his downfall if it isn't obvious enough already.


Now you're selling TIM short, have you read these novels yet?

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Echo: Sentiments.

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Golden-Rose wrote...

I'll repeat what I said in a previous thread about wanting to have MULTIPLE confrontations with Leng, e.g. him sniping at you from a rooftop, an intense close range gun battle, and the obligatory hand-to-hand fight. That way when you finally do kill him the victory will be all the sweeter.


This.

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Golden-Rose wrote...

Also, before Shep kills Leng, I want to make sure Anderson and Aria have a little fun with him as well. *evil grin*


Good call.

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UnadoptedTrack wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

I never said get rid of him, what I meant was "cybernetic augmentation", the forced-deforming kind.


...Hold on, it's going to take me a minute to adjust to the bull**** you just threw at me.


Great response you have. I'll reserve the smarky comeback and just say that it is a popular theory in some circles, especially after a certain GI pic.

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leonia42 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

111987 wrote...

There were extenuating circumstances involving Anderson. And Anderson isn't some noob...if it weren't for Saren he would have been the first human Spectre. He's the most decorated soldier in the Alliance; don't sell him short.


I meant it in TIM's "POV". TIM doesn't even care about Shepard's skills, only the results. That guy's ignorance and ego will be his downfall if it isn't obvious enough already.


Now you're selling TIM short, have you read these novels yet?


Not really, I consider them bad, which is why I don't think BW will pick up after them.

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lol @ people assuming Shepard will kill Leng.
He will kill shepard

now that would be great

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Gabey5 wrote...

lol @ people assuming Shepard will kill Leng.
He will kill shepard

now that would be great


Get out of this forum. Right now.

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UnadoptedTrack wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

lol @ people assuming Shepard will kill Leng.
He will kill shepard

now that would be great


Get out of this forum. Right now.


Lazarus Project 2.0!

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ThePwener wrote...

Not really, I consider them bad, which is why I don't think BW will pick up after them.


That's just like, your opinion man. 

That whole conversation about Anderson's history with Saren in ME1? Totally based on a novel. Liara rescuing Shepard's body from the Shadow-broker? Totally based on a comic. This character we're talking about right now? Totally based on a novel. 

Whether you personally enjoyed that content or not is not up for debate, it's already been confirmed that Kai Leng will be in ME3. Too late to think "The novels are bad, Bioware won't use them", mate.

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leonia42 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Not really, I consider them bad, which is why I don't think BW will pick up after them.


That's just like, your opinion man. 

That whole conversation about Anderson's history with Saren in ME1? Totally based on a novel. Liara rescuing Shepard's body from the Shadow-broker? Totally based on a comic. This character we're talking about right now? Totally based on a novel. 

Whether you personally enjoyed that content or not is not up for debate, it's already been confirmed that Kai Leng will be in ME3. Too late to think "The novels are bad, Bioware won't use them", mate.


You took what I said out of context. They're bad, yeah, everyone knows it, ask around. But they do have some good points, Kai Leng is the biggest one.