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[SilkyChicken]

Instead of letting her walk free.

I had played it straight all game.   I tried to improve everyone's lot in Ferelden.  I romanced Leliana monogamously.  Never slew a foe who yielded.  Was compassionate to mage and elf.  I even killed Flemeth for Morrigan to give her a chance at a normal life. 

And then, at the very end, I find Morrigan was planning to bring a demon into the world!?  After all that effort to stop the blight!  She of all people should know that creatures from the Fade tend to do nasty things in this world.  She refused to let her own mother, Flemeth, snatch her body; yet should would create a child to serve as a vessel for an even powerfuller demon - and Old God, no less!

I just don't see how any good character could let her walk from that bedroom alive.  She is too great a threat!

Here's hoping she got ate by a grizzly bear on the way to Orlais.

[Akka le Vil]

Know that you're not alone feeling like this



But be ready to be overwhelmed by the horde of Morrigan's lovers.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Actually, it says that someone like her ended up at the Orlesian court. But yeah, I get what you're saying. The whole "Impregnate me and summon one of the old gods" doesn't make a whole lot of sense for any remotely good character, even if you don't end up wanting to kill her.

Even an "evil" character would have to be a complete retard to trust Morrigan.

[Nyaore]

Technically an Old God is not a demon, they only become as such when they are corrupted by the Blight. Morrigan claims that the child would not be born with the taint, but quite honestly we can't exactly trust her word on the matter. So whether or not the hypothetical child would have been tainted as well is up in the air.

Frankly though I don't see how she would be a big threat if you refuse her proposal. It's not like she knows the exact method that Flemeth uses to possess her daughters to extend her own life span and can then wait around until the next Blight to try it again. Then again if you gave her Flemeth's grimoire....

Modifié par Nyaore, 22 novembre 2009 - 01:28 .

[sylkwyrm1]

assuming of course the flemeth herself doesn't return to take her (or someone else) and try again in the next blight, morrigan does say you can't reallt kill her to death

Modifié par sylkwyrm1, 22 novembre 2009 - 01:29 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

Also, you can choose not to kill Flemeth, and give Morrigan the false Grimoire.

Let's do that.

[Walina]

Morrigan did said : the tainted will lure the old god as a beacon.



But Nyaore welcome to the club : people not agreeing about the ending

[Lucasian]

I refused the ritual but I was annoyed that the epilogue mentioned she was pregnant nonetheless.



Though it wouldn't make much sense if it were an Old God, since I BLOODY DIED

[Akka le Vil]

Nyaore wrote...

Technically an Old God is not a demon, they only become as such when they are corrupted by the Blight. Morrigan claims that the child would not be born with the taint, but quite honestly we can't exactly trust her word on the matter. So whether or not the hypothetical child would have been tainted as well is up in the air.

Additionnaly, even if untainted, an Old God isn't especially benevolent and is a bit too potentially dangerous not to be bothered about.
And Morrigan has always shown she didn't really cared about responsabilities nor consequences.
So well, adding 2 and 2...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Also, you can choose not to kill Flemeth, and give Morrigan the false Grimoire.
Let's do that.

Well, it's not like Flemeth seems to be a better deal than Morrigan :-/

Modifié par Akka le Vil, 22 novembre 2009 - 01:34 .

[frokenscheim]

I thought one of DA's best qualities is the lack of hard and fast morality. And I don't think she's that much of a threat, if you refuse her offer. Given the typical frequency of blights, she won't get another chance for centuries. Also the Old God may not be "evil", the only info anyone has on them is from very old and possibly very inaccurate sources. And who's to say every thinking, feeling creature isn't just a fade spirit that's found it's way into the corporeal world?

[Walina]

Lucasian wrote...

I refused the ritual but I was annoyed that the epilogue mentioned she was pregnant nonetheless.

Though it wouldn't make much sense if it were an Old God, since I BLOODY DIED

Some people (or David Gaider) said it might be a bug because he didn't do the ritual and she was nt pregnant in the ritual but said she just need any Grey warden out there to have her baby.

[Vicious]

Lol well Old Gods are not Demons. Demons live in the fade. Old Gods are ancient Dragons that once ruled the world. Maybe this particular one was evil, maybe it wasn't [being the Dragon of Beauty, which is considerably less violent sounding than what the other Old God's represented]

That said, I'd say this kid is probably going to grow up to be a magic user, which means he can walk in the Fade... sounds like a return to the Black City might be in order...


That said, for sequel purposes Morrigan can pretty much use any Grey Warden to have a kid. Granted it's doubtful she could have found another before you killed the archdemon, but who knows. Perhaps DA2 will have your character wherever the epilogue left him, and if you decided to sacrifice yourself, maybe you'll wake up in your own grave...

Modifié par Vicious, 22 novembre 2009 - 01:42 .

[Forsakerr]

Nyaore wrote...

Technically an Old God is not a demon, they only become as such when they are corrupted by the Blight. Morrigan claims that the child would not be born with the taint, but quite honestly we can't exactly trust her word on the matter. So whether or not the hypothetical child would have been tainted as well is up in the air.

Frankly though I don't see how she would be a big threat if you refuse her proposal. It's not like she knows the exact method that Flemeth uses to possess her daughters to extend her own life span and can then wait around until the next Blight to try it again. Then again if you gave her Flemeth's grimoire....

You are right with the old god is not a demon unless it is corrupted but the Darkspawn, about the without the taint king Maric had a child with Fiona (which was a warden) and had no taint , the soul of the old god would go into the child so she s gonna raise an old god for what purpose i got no idea though , about the not trusting her about the taint well no one in their right mind would give birth to an arch demon even a crazy witch of the wild (Flemeth) would nt do so , so yes probably there is more to wanting to raise an old god that she says  but what we will only know if there is a sequel/expensation or if Mr Gaider feels like telling us

edit: typoe

Modifié par Forsakerr, 22 novembre 2009 - 01:44 .

[SilkyChicken]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Also, you can choose not to kill Flemeth, and give Morrigan the false Grimoire.
Let's do that.

Yeah, I regret giving her the grimoire, now.  I thought it would give her a new shot at life.  Instead she used the knowledge wrested by my character (at the risk of his own life, and that of the three party members he brought with him) not to escape her mother, but to supplant her.

Magic and Fade-beings are neutral, but powerful.  But power corrupts even the just.  Letting Morrigan escape with so much potential power does not bode well for the sequels.

[Malkut]

SilkyChicken wrote...

I had played it straight all game.   I tried to improve everyone's lot in Ferelden.  I romanced Leliana monogamously.  Never slew a foe who yielded.  Was compassionate to mage and elf.  I even killed Flemeth for Morrigan to give her a chance at a normal life. 

(. . . .)

I just don't see how any good character could let her walk from that bedroom alive.  She is too great a threat!

Soooooo . . . your moral and upstanding character has cheated on his girl and impregnated an "evil" woman out of the selfish desire to preserve his own life - even though it his his duty as a Warden to sacrifice himself - and then would have murdered her afterwards to cover up his shameful actions if she had not fled for her life immedately afterwards?

Was your character actually good, or was he just acting good?

[Eonassassin]

Walina wrote...

Lucasian wrote...

I refused the ritual but I was annoyed that the epilogue mentioned she was pregnant nonetheless.

Though it wouldn't make much sense if it were an Old God, since I BLOODY DIED

Some people (or David Gaider) said it might be a bug because he didn't do the ritual and she was nt pregnant in the ritual but said she just need any Grey warden out there to have her baby.

Hey My first ending I refused and it said she had a kid, I've read that theres 3 possibilities for Morrigan in the epilogue either shes seen with a kid, in the orlesian court or shes dead. Is this true or is she always seen with a kid no matter what??

[KyoZ]

She walks off to Orlais even if you don't give her the grimoire, so that wouldn't matter.



You can't know for sure she is going to do something bad with the God Child, that said, we can't know for sure if she's going to do something good. Thats why you get the option to agree or refuse. I think it's fairly certain they made it like this for a reason, ie for the sequel. If you could kill Morrigan off then that means she would not be part of the sequel, and considering the potential the idea of her being pregnant with a god child brings to a sequel, that is something that would be greatly missed, don't you think?

[rumination888]

frokenscheim wrote...

I thought one of DA's best qualities is the lack of hard and fast morality. And I don't think she's that much of a threat, if you refuse her offer. Given the typical frequency of blights, she won't get another chance for centuries. Also the Old God may not be "evil", the only info anyone has on them is from very old and possibly very inaccurate sources. And who's to say every thinking, feeling creature isn't just a fade spirit that's found it's way into the corporeal world?

This.

I treated the choices in this game as if there were no such thing as good or evil, just like how the real world operates.

While the Codex and lore were written by Bioware, Bioware made it a point to sign each one as being written by a 3rd party. What you know of the old gods in game come from the Chantry. If you treat the Chantry as gospel, then I can see how you would think what Morrigan did was evil.

For my mage, I treated the Chantry's words as nothing more than half-truths meant to corale the public into accepting them into power. In that regard, what Morrigan did was neither good nor evil.

And I hope that Bioware doesn't cheapen the Dragon Age experience by turning the old god-child into some kind of "evil" entity. (actually, now that I think about it, Dragon Age 2 could very well have you playing as the child, and its choices would be your choices... hmm...)

[SilkyChicken]

Malkut wrote...

SilkyChicken wrote...

I had played it straight all game.   I tried to improve everyone's lot in Ferelden.  I romanced Leliana monogamously.  Never slew a foe who yielded.  Was compassionate to mage and elf.  I even killed Flemeth for Morrigan to give her a chance at a normal life. 

(. . . .)

I just don't see how any good character could let her walk from that bedroom alive.  She is too great a threat!

Soooooo . . . your moral and upstanding character has cheated on his girl and impregnated an "evil" woman out of the selfish desire to preserve his own life - even though it his his duty as a Warden to sacrifice himself - and then would have murdered her afterwards to cover up his shameful actions if she had not fled for her life immedately afterwards?

Was your character actually good, or was he just acting good?

No, my character refused her offer, and died killing the archdemon.  It was a bitter ending, to be sure.  I found myself in Drakara Keep wishing I had taken her offer though.  I spent the whole game collecting, improving - both myself and others.  My reward was to return to Highever and sit upon the throne of my father, with Leliana my faithful wife and Alistair my good king and friend.  (And let me tell you, my sons would not have some crappy t2 grey iron "Family Sword."  They'd roll with Dragonbone or nothing!)

Instead my character dies, Morrigan the witch leaves to find a more pliant pawn, and Leliana is left with only Pickles, my stupid warhoud, to comfort her.  It was emotional, but bitter, ending.

[Eonassassin]

I think the most frustrating thing about the ending (aside from Morrigan) was that your romance choices do not play ANY significant part no cut scene saying good byes or anything like that. Wonder if they just forgot about it in all the excitement.

[Malkut]

That's just how the cookie crumbles, man. A truly good character would either refuse her offer or find it in his heart to trust her. Killing her would be a cynical perversion, and besides, she's too smart to hang around in case you change your mind.

[tanglefoot79]

My Dalish character took the bargain, and then gave up any reward, even helping his people. To chase after her. Frankly, I can't decide if it's because he was worried about what the child might become or because he really cared for her.



I guess that could be a sign of how well drawn the character is, I can't decide how an elf, who put aside his isolated upbringing and ignored blatant racism to help people he knew nothing about and didn't particularly care for, should feel about her.

[Gaspara]

Akka le Vil wrote...

But be ready to be overwhelmed by the horde of Morrigan's lovers.

Or those who took the time to appreciate the complex writing bioware did for her character.

[SilkyChicken]

Gaspara wrote...

Akka le Vil wrote...

But be ready to be overwhelmed by the horde of Morrigan's lovers.

Or those who took the time to appreciate the complex writing bioware did for her character.

Pssh, complexity.  Just more folds and crenellations for demons to get their tentacles in, that's what I say.

[mrao]

Malkut wrote...

That's just how the cookie crumbles, man. A truly good character would either refuse her offer or find it in his heart to trust her. Killing her would be a cynical perversion, and besides, she's too smart to hang around in case you change your mind.

Well said.  If you are playing a character particular loyal to the chantry/templars however i can see them wanting to kill Morrigan if only for being an apostate mage, or dabbling in blood magic. Would a good person kill another man for making an offer they don't like? Remember Morrigan is not forcing you, and she cannot complete the ritual without YOUR help. If some horrible tragedy happens because Morrigan spawns a God baby then the PC is JUST as much to blame as Morrigan is. Or maybe she'l do something good with him/her, who knows.

Also if you actually talk to Morrigan, you will find that it is an untainted old god, NOT a demon. We have no idea what her intentions are. If people are concerned with the risk the god baby will bring, then maybe they could you know, NOT accept her offer. Remember she can't make the god baby without an archdemon dying, this is pretty much her last chance to do that.  I'm pretty sure there are endings where Morrigan is not pregnant. Infact doesn't Flemeth posess her in the epilogue if you don't kill her? I doubt they will make the whole baby thing "canon", that would infuriate players who did not involve Morrigan at all in their playthrough.

Modifié par mrao, 22 novembre 2009 - 02:33 .