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[Dunmer of Redoran]

Ashley's starting to look like Maxine. As in Maxine the professional wrestler.

[ladyvader]

DaftArbiter wrote...

Ashley's starting to look like Maxine. As in Maxine the professional wrestler.

When I saw Maxine, I was thinking the Maxine from the Shoebox greeting cards.  And went

[Ziggy]

All this sexualisation of female characters with stupid catsuit 'armour' and impractical hair styles belongs in a different game.
One reason I like bioware games because of the depth of their characters, who aren't just caricatures, but who have faults and quirks and thereby seem more real.
Bioware is taking the easy way out and sexing everyone up unimaginatively so their personalities come second, which makes for a much more superficial and cheap game. Those sort of games have their place, granted, but I used to count on bioware for more.

Modifié par Em23, 14 septembre 2011 - 10:15 .

[Ziggy]

jreezy wrote...

Em23 wrote...

All this sexualisation of female characters with stupid catsuit 'armour' and impractical hair styles belongs in a different game.
One reason I like bioware games because of the depth of their characters, who aren't just caricatures, but who have faults and quirks and thereby seem more real.
Bioware is taking the easy way out and sexing everyone up unimaginatively so their personalities come second, which makes for a much more superficial and cheap game. Those sort of games have their place, granted, but I used to count on bioware for more.

Yes because a change in clothes means characters suffer in terms of personality.<_<

Yes, I think in Ashley's case her new outfit does not fit with what I know about her character.

Modifié par Em23, 14 septembre 2011 - 10:20 .

[Hattie]

I'm just worried they're trying too hard to make everyone super cool and sexy. A team of high school jocks and cheerleaders. Maybe just me but I find that boring.

[AdmiralCheez]

Hattie wrote...

I'm just worried they're trying too hard to make everyone super cool and sexy. A team of high school jocks and cheerleaders. Maybe just me but I find that boring.

Oh f*ck.

Not high school.

Never again high school.

Nightmares forever.

[1136342t54_]

Rojahar wrote...

Kaidan is the light armor wearing biotic/tech support class. He's the same class as Miranda. He should definitely wear a catsuit.

Kaidan is a sentinel. As of ME2 Sentinels have Tech armor and are partial tanks.

[100k]

Em23 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Em23 wrote...

All this sexualisation of female characters with stupid catsuit 'armour' and impractical hair styles belongs in a different game.
One reason I like bioware games because of the depth of their characters, who aren't just caricatures, but who have faults and quirks and thereby seem more real.
Bioware is taking the easy way out and sexing everyone up unimaginatively so their personalities come second, which makes for a much more superficial and cheap game. Those sort of games have their place, granted, but I used to count on bioware for more.

Yes because a change in clothes means characters suffer in terms of personality.<_<

Yes, I think in Ashley's case her new outfit does not fit with what I know about her character.

Ash's outfit doesn't define her-- no more than Miranda's outfit defines her.

If all you see when you walk into Miranda's office is dat ass, and you refuse to look past dat ass, then you are objectifying her.

If all you see when you walk into Samara's room is dem tittas, and you refuse to look past dem tittas, then you are objectifying her.

The only difference between your style of objectification and that of, say, a 14 year old boy, is that he will get horny at the sight of dat ass, while you will be annoyed.

[1136342t54_]

Em23 wrote...

All this sexualisation of female characters with stupid catsuit 'armour' and impractical hair styles belongs in a different game.

Why are you complaining Ashley can wear Heavier armor. Did you complain that you had the CHOICE to give Ashley light armor?

[1136342t54_]

Em23 wrote...

One reason I like bioware games because of the depth of their characters, who aren't just caricatures, but who have faults and quirks and thereby seem more real.
Bioware is taking the easy way out and sexing everyone up unimaginatively so their personalities come second, which makes for a much more superficial and cheap game. Those sort of games have their place, granted, but I used to count on bioware for more.

I have to respond to this since it is almost completely wrong.

Lets take Miranda for instance. Her entire life pretty much presents her as a hard, logical and strong woman who will use anything even her looks as a way to get what she wants. Her sexualization is a tool and a result of something her father did who incidentally she hates. Her figure is a part of who she is but isn't necessarily a good part to her. Bioware puts the characters and personality first always.

[AdmiralCheez]

^^I know what you mean, 100k: although bikinis and burqas are nearly polar opposites, they show equal cultural obsession with the female body.

But that's not the point. The point is that Ash does not approve of Sexy Pajamas in Space, and putting her in such an outfit tears down what was so great about her character: she was a normal person, yet a fierce warrior, and the fact that she charged around in 200 pound pink armor bowling people over with shotgun blasts without caring what she looked like or what you thought of her is what made her so f*cking sexy in the first place.

[Ziggy]

1136342t54 wrote...

Em23 wrote...

One reason I like bioware games because of the depth of their characters, who aren't just caricatures, but who have faults and quirks and thereby seem more real.
Bioware is taking the easy way out and sexing everyone up unimaginatively so their personalities come second, which makes for a much more superficial and cheap game. Those sort of games have their place, granted, but I used to count on bioware for more.

I have to respond to this since it is almost completely wrong.

Lets take Miranda for instance. Her entire life pretty much presents her as a hard, logical and strong woman who will use anything even her looks as a way to get what she wants. Her sexualization is a tool and a result of something her father did who incidentally she hates. Her figure is a part of who she is but isn't necessarily a good part to her. Bioware puts the characters and personality first always.

I guess it's a bit hard to argue, I found myself rolling my eyes a lot at her "I'm so perfect it hurts" thing. I just found all the me2 characters tried too hard to be "badass" and "cool" and "sexy" that they didnt seem as real as the me1 characters. But I get that that is a somewhat subjective view.

[KawaiiKatie]

jreezy wrote...

Still doesn't explain how her personality suffers after a change in attire.

Because Ashley used to be our no-nonsense soldier who actually dressed like a soldier. The Ashley I knew would have never gone into combat wearing latex and high-heeled boots, or attemtped to aim a weapon with her hair in her face. Maybe she would have worn that on her days off, but if that is seriously what Ashley would volunteer to wear on the frontlines, unprotected by biotics, tech powers, or heavy armor, then yeah, her no-nonsense personality has been swapped for sexy atttire.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 14 septembre 2011 - 10:44 .

[Eyerock]

Modifié par Eyerock, 14 septembre 2011 - 10:43 .

[Ziggy]

Hattie wrote...

I'm just worried they're trying too hard to make everyone super cool and sexy. A team of high school jocks and cheerleaders. Maybe just me but I find that boring.

Pretty much this.

[1136342t54_]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

^^I know what you mean, 100k: although bikinis and burqas are nearly polar opposites, they show equal cultural obsession with the female body.

But that's not the point. The point is that Ash does not approve of Sexy Pajamas in Space, and putting her in such an outfit tears down what was so great about her character: she was a normal person, yet a fierce warrior, and the fact that she charged around in 200 pound pink armor bowling people over with shotgun blasts without caring what she looked like or what you thought of her is what made her so f*cking sexy in the first place.

You do know that Ashley can wear heavier armor right?

Also even light armor has kinetic barriers, combat weave capable of stopping mass accelerator rounds and some ceramic plates. The armor she is wearing is no more tight than the light armor in ME1.

[100k]

Em23 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Em23 wrote...

One reason I like bioware games because of the depth of their characters, who aren't just caricatures, but who have faults and quirks and thereby seem more real.
Bioware is taking the easy way out and sexing everyone up unimaginatively so their personalities come second, which makes for a much more superficial and cheap game. Those sort of games have their place, granted, but I used to count on bioware for more.

I have to respond to this since it is almost completely wrong.

Lets take Miranda for instance. Her entire life pretty much presents her as a hard, logical and strong woman who will use anything even her looks as a way to get what she wants. Her sexualization is a tool and a result of something her father did who incidentally she hates. Her figure is a part of who she is but isn't necessarily a good part to her. Bioware puts the characters and personality first always.

I guess it's a bit hard to argue, I found myself rolling my eyes a lot at her "I'm so perfect it hurts" thing. I just found all the me2 characters tried too hard to be "badass" and "cool" and "sexy" that they didnt seem as real as the me1 characters. But I get that that is a somewhat subjective view.

Miranda knows that she's not perfect, and openly admits it several times. In LOTSB we find out that she's actually infertile -- an issue that many women today struggle with. Did you roll your eyes at that "perfection"?

[1136342t54_]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Still doesn't explain how her personality suffers after a change in attire.

Because Ashley used to be our no-nonsense soldier who actually dressed like a soldier. The Ashley I knew would have never gone into combat wearing latex and high-heeled boots, or attemtped to aim a weapon with her hair in her face. Maybe she would have worn that on her days off, but if that is seriously what Ashley would volunteer to wear on the frontlines, unprotected by biotics, tech powers, or heavy armor, then yeah, her no-nonsense personality has been swapped for sexy atttire.

Stop exagerating. Her armor doesn't even really hint at Latex. It is no more or less armored than the light armor you can have her wear in ME1.

[1136342t54_]

Em23 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Em23 wrote...

One reason I like bioware games because of the depth of their characters, who aren't just caricatures, but who have faults and quirks and thereby seem more real.
Bioware is taking the easy way out and sexing everyone up unimaginatively so their personalities come second, which makes for a much more superficial and cheap game. Those sort of games have their place, granted, but I used to count on bioware for more.

I have to respond to this since it is almost completely wrong.

Lets take Miranda for instance. Her entire life pretty much presents her as a hard, logical and strong woman who will use anything even her looks as a way to get what she wants. Her sexualization is a tool and a result of something her father did who incidentally she hates. Her figure is a part of who she is but isn't necessarily a good part to her. Bioware puts the characters and personality first always.

I guess it's a bit hard to argue, I found myself rolling my eyes a lot at her "I'm so perfect it hurts" thing. I just found all the me2 characters tried too hard to be "badass" and "cool" and "sexy" that they didnt seem as real as the me1 characters. But I get that that is a somewhat subjective view.

She says she doesn't think she is perfect. Miranda strives to better because of her skill not because of her genes. Hell she admits Shepard is superior to her and admires the STG.

[Ziggy]

jreezy wrote...

Em23 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Em23 wrote...

All this sexualisation of female characters with stupid catsuit 'armour' and impractical hair styles belongs in a different game.
One reason I like bioware games because of the depth of their characters, who aren't just caricatures, but who have faults and quirks and thereby seem more real.
Bioware is taking the easy way out and sexing everyone up unimaginatively so their personalities come second, which makes for a much more superficial and cheap game. Those sort of games have their place, granted, but I used to count on bioware for more.

Yes because a change in clothes means characters suffer in terms of personality.<_<

Yes, I think in Ashley's case her new outfit does not fit with what I know about her character.

Still doesn't explain how her personality suffers after a change in attire.

What you wear is a way of expressing yourself.
In me1 ash has a very no nonsense, soldier attitude. She even says she would rather have solid armour and a big gun over light armour and speed any day (unless that speed lets her outrun bullets).
Her new outfit, says 'I care more about how my hair looks and that shep can see some cleavage' than 'I want to kick some butt and stay alive'.
Maybe bioware will still do her me1 character justice and finally get around to showing her in actual armour, but at this stage it's a bit worrying for an Ash fan.

[KawaiiKatie]

1136342t54 wrote...

Stop exagerating. Her armor doesn't even really hint at Latex. It is no more or less armored than the light armor you can have her wear in ME1.

Even if you debate that the matieral isn't latex, it's still thin enough that it could be made into a skirt. <_<