Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
And bring the crackers.JeffZero wrote...
Cheez brings the cheese. It's our job as fellow forumites to ham it up.
Am I the only one who thought of Cheese and Crackers?
I don't mind Ashley's new outfit...
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Am I the only one who thought of Cheese and Crackers?
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 06:08
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The images in this topic burns my eyes.
I want everything in urban camo, everything! Urban is the new coyote brown of the future.
I want everything in urban camo, everything! Urban is the new coyote brown of the future.
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 06:13
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AdmiralCheez wrote...
And you know what? I just realized that FemShep was the only girl wearing armor in ME2! Which means she'll probably be alone again in ME3 if Ash doesn't get that promised armor!
Miranda has in AAP2, Liara in LotSB and Kasumi has kinda an armor.
Then again, all of those are DLC's.
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 06:16
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AdmiralCheez wrote...
And you know what? I just realized that FemShep was the only girl wearing armor in ME2! Which means she'll probably be alone again in ME3 if Ash doesn't get that promised armor!
Personally, I just want everyone in armor. No fanservice, no estrogen brigade bait. I can imagine what's under the armor just fine, and if anyone (male or female) goes into battle in spandex it breaks the immersion for me.
I am willing to make an exception for Kasumi, because her talents require flexibility and light movement. And she at least wears flats.
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 06:18
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Note to self: Must go into real life combat wearing spandex...
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 06:23
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Mesina2 wrote...
AdmiralCheez wrote...
And you know what? I just realized that FemShep was the only girl wearing armor in ME2! Which means she'll probably be alone again in ME3 if Ash doesn't get that promised armor!
Miranda has in AAP2, Liara in LotSB and Kasumi has kinda an armor.
Then again, all of those are DLC's.
Tali. Quarian suits are armored, just not heavily so.
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 06:49
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I don't mind it either, I love seeing her with the Spectre logo on her gear.
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 06:51
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AdmiralCheez wrote...
Indeed, but whether or not Kaidan likes men does not change the fact that he likes women.koopaonfire wrote...
Well, all of the romances in ME1 were written and recorded as bisexual for flexibility, but they ended up not going with bisexuality for Kaidan & Ashley.
Therefore, he is not gay. Bisexual, probably.
EDIT: Pwener, this is important. Pay attention.
actualy, aside from a correct statement by cheez - romances in ME1 were written as straight only - they recorded all the SHEPARD's lines with both actors becasue about 95% of them were identical and it was easier/faster/cheaper to just do takes for all lines rather then trying to figure out which line belongs to which romance. once lines were recorded - they have concidered a possibility of making Kaidan/Ash bisexual, and discarded it becasue the lines didn't quite work (its especialy bad in case of Kaidan, actualy who compliments Shepard by comparing her to Rahna, his love seen specificaly mentions a woman, there's the whole cidadel and beautiful women banter... yeah...)
source in my signature, one of those is patric Weeks, the other is another ME writer whose name i cannot remember.
at original image...
P.S. Ashley is wearing that much promiced armor or staying on the normandy in my games.I still don't like her new outfit, especialy not for Ashley.
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 06:53
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Well you know how it usualy is: Some guy in marketing claims that us guys are so single minded and primitive that we won't buy it if there isn't TnA everywhere.
That said I almost support silly revealing costumes if both genders wear them. Just because.
Personaly I think the women of ME look more hot and way more cool and professional in heavy armour but that's just my personal taste of course.
That said I almost support silly revealing costumes if both genders wear them. Just because.
Personaly I think the women of ME look more hot and way more cool and professional in heavy armour but that's just my personal taste of course.
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 07:00
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TheKingOf-Kings wrote...
Note to self: Must go into real life combat wearing spandex...
Let us know how that works out for you.
Especially if it turns out to be good for something other than riding up at inopportune times.
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 07:13
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Natural selection in action, I think.silver1881 wrote...
TheKingOf-Kings wrote...
Note to self: Must go into real life combat wearing spandex...
Let us know how that works out for you.
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 07:33
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Sometimes I wonder, if people like Ash for her character or because she is "Dat Tank!" in their opinion.
Shepard: *looks at Ashley's Spectre suit* But that's just not you anymore! What has the council done to you, when the made you a Spectre?
Ashley: Don't tell me who I am, Shepard and never tell a woman, what she can and can't wear!
Shepard: But your character is inextricably linked to what you wear, every teenager knows this, it's how we express our innermost self. Back then, when we were fighting Saren, you said you are inclined to stick with nice solid armor and in my book "inclined" means, this is now dogma for the rest of our lives.
Ashley: *facepalm*
That said, I prefer ME1 amors myself and I hope; Bioware will give us that "real armor" option, but lighter armor means more agilty and with an improved shield technology, the "Spandex" (*facepalm*) suit, could actually be more practical than the old stuff!
People and their rigid, narrow view about what is realistic for a character make me sad.
Shepard: *looks at Ashley's Spectre suit* But that's just not you anymore! What has the council done to you, when the made you a Spectre?
Ashley: Don't tell me who I am, Shepard and never tell a woman, what she can and can't wear!
Shepard: But your character is inextricably linked to what you wear, every teenager knows this, it's how we express our innermost self. Back then, when we were fighting Saren, you said you are inclined to stick with nice solid armor and in my book "inclined" means, this is now dogma for the rest of our lives.
Ashley: *facepalm*
That said, I prefer ME1 amors myself and I hope; Bioware will give us that "real armor" option, but lighter armor means more agilty and with an improved shield technology, the "Spandex" (*facepalm*) suit, could actually be more practical than the old stuff!
People and their rigid, narrow view about what is realistic for a character make me sad.
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 07:33
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silver1881 wrote...
Personally, I just want everyone in armor. No fanservice, no estrogen brigade bait. I can imagine what's under the armor just fine, and if anyone (male or female) goes into battle in spandex it breaks the immersion for me.
I am willing to make an exception for Kasumi, because her talents require flexibility and light movement. And she at least wears flats.
This. Kasumi and Thane's lack of real armour makes sense; they specilize in espionage and thus wearing thick heavy armour while being ninjas would be cumbersome. The others I really don't get, Miranda and Jack especially. You think Miranda, a woman of such intelligence, would kinda get the fact that spandex isn't bullet proof.
And heels aren't the best foot wear in shoot outs. And Jack, since she's been fighting for most her life so it would be kinda logical to wear something that, oh I dunno, doesn't displays a large amount of skin that could get shot/stabbed/burnt or something.
(Speaking of which, I would kinda figure Jack would have scars of some kind. Hmm.)
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Sometimes I wonder, if people like Ash for her character or because she is "Dat Tank!" in their opinion.
Ha, that's the only reason I saved her ass; the fact she was a tank. Some of her stupid comments about aliens made me dislike her. "Can't tell the aliens from the animals!"
Dude, real smooth. <_<
Or maybe I just didn't like her.
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 07:38
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@Elektrego,
It is more to the point that choosing agility over sturdy armor is explicitly counter to how Ashley is portrayed in ME1.
I forget the exact quote, but Ash even says something along the lines of "I'll take solid armor over mobility any day."
It is more to the point that choosing agility over sturdy armor is explicitly counter to how Ashley is portrayed in ME1.
I forget the exact quote, but Ash even says something along the lines of "I'll take solid armor over mobility any day."
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 09:15
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So I'm the only female who finds guys in heavy armour more attractive than guys in revealing spandex [cat]suits? Interesting.
I always thought that Kaidan's ME3 armour is a hell of fanservice :-P
I always thought that Kaidan's ME3 armour is a hell of fanservice :-P
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 09:27
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mineralica wrote...
So I'm the only female who finds guys in heavy armour more attractive than guys in revealing spandex [cat]suits? Interesting.
I always thought that Kaidan's ME3 armour is a hell of fanservice :-P
Of course not! I would much rather have someone in full, practical, badass armor than be staring down someone's spandex-clad crack all day. It's more fun for me to simply imagine what's under the armor than have it right in my face.
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 10:33
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And yet people forget that in combat heavier armour provides MORE mobility than lighter one. This is a fact of life, proved by combat-testing. it works in tank warfare, it works in infantry combat. Take a look t French tank doctrine in 60-70th. Their tanks were lightly armoured, heavily armed and boasted high speed, their role on a battlefield was to provide massive, devastating firepower on unsuspecting enemies with speedy flanking maneuers and such.
Surprisingly, the british-made centurions showed more mobility on battlefield despite being much slower. The thing is, french tank commanders weren't able to reposition in combat situaton because of danger of being destroyed by abundant light AT weaponry. Same applies to ME infantry combat, where infantry can be well-protected without sacrifising speed. Nice armour=freedom to move withut fear of being killed by a stray bullet. All this talk about 'needs free movements' is just bull.
Surprisingly, the british-made centurions showed more mobility on battlefield despite being much slower. The thing is, french tank commanders weren't able to reposition in combat situaton because of danger of being destroyed by abundant light AT weaponry. Same applies to ME infantry combat, where infantry can be well-protected without sacrifising speed. Nice armour=freedom to move withut fear of being killed by a stray bullet. All this talk about 'needs free movements' is just bull.
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 12:13
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Kaidan: "Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it."
Ashley: "Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun."
Ashley: "Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun."
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@Elektrego,
It is more to the point that choosing agility over sturdy armor is explicitly counter to how Ashley is portrayed in ME1.
I forget the exact quote, but Ash even says something along the lines of "I'll take solid armor over mobility any day."
Kaidan says: "Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it."
Ashley replies: "Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun."
Those words are indeed said by Gunnery Chief Ashley williams of the Alliance Infantry and is, imo, more a snarky, dismissive remark about Asari Commandos, than a statement, that she will never wear anything besides heavy armor.
In fact, when we do look into Ashley's past, we find this:
"During training, she certified proficient with the standard-issue M7 Lancer assault rifle and light and standard
weight combat hardsuits."
http://masseffect.bi...hley_part1.html
At the end of Mass Effect 1 she says:
"I don't plan to lie down and die, skipper! Don't worry about that, but I'm infantry. My rifle may as well fire
spitballs. I won't have a place in this war. That was pisses me off! Not being able to shoot back!"
With what we have seen, about her possibly being a Spectre, it looks to me like Ashley has taken this to heart and
her career has taken a direction away from infantry. With a different job description comes a different set of rules about what is actually practical for the job.
All I am saying is that her new standard outfit might actually make some sense, in light of that development. What
was important for the Chief, doesn't neccessarily have to be important for the Spectre.
And my problem is with people having the knee-jerk reaction of "ruined forever!" and she is being "oversexualized,
to appeal to a larger audience!" which is based on what we have seen a rather superficial judgement.
Mass Effect has had a change in the art style going from the first to the second game, you might like that or not,
and though I prefer the style of ME1, I never let the style of ME2 ruin the game for me. From the perspective of the
style of ME2, Ashley's Spectre suit looks good and it doesn't have to be out of character.
Again not liking something is ok, but immidiately jumping to "This is not Ashley!" without any additional info, is stupid, imo.
I have never been a fan of the Phoenix Armor, but yet I learned to accept it, even like it a little, because the
game told me, that is what she wears by default, just like I could think of a couple of posssbilites, that I would
prefer to see her in, in ME3. But I will not go crazy over looks.
"You know me, Skipper! I'd only do this for the right reasons!"
"I'd like to believe you, Ash, but I don't trust Bioware! And it worries me that you do!"
And trying to get back in the direction of the OP: I support a choice of catsuits and "real" armor for everyone!
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 12:32
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The whole arguement that the spandex suits might be the better choice is silly. Because if it was. Why the hell does Shepard waste time with the N7 armor? Why would such armor even be made? It also begs the question why Kaidan does not wear something like it.
I also would not mind these suits if Shepard can wear them. I would like to have my MaleShep wear a kilt in battle!
I also would not mind these suits if Shepard can wear them. I would like to have my MaleShep wear a kilt in battle!
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The whole arguement that the spandex suits might be the better choice is silly. Because if it was. Why the hell does Shepard waste time with the N7 armor? Why would such armor even be made? It also begs the question why Kaidan does not wear something like it.
I also would not mind these suits if Shepard can wear them. I would like to have my MaleShep wear a kilt in battle!
Ashley's Spectre suit is not spandex. Your arguement is invalid.
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 12:42
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elektrego wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
The whole arguement that the spandex suits might be the better choice is silly. Because if it was. Why the hell does Shepard waste time with the N7 armor? Why would such armor even be made? It also begs the question why Kaidan does not wear something like it.
I also would not mind these suits if Shepard can wear them. I would like to have my MaleShep wear a kilt in battle!
Ashley's Spectre suit is not spandex. Your arguement is invalid.
Okay she does not wear a spandex. Only some sort pseudo middleground between lightarmor and spandex.
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If the game tells me, that this Spectre suit has better protective properties than the old armor suits, I am inclined to believe the game, though it might not be in accordance with my own speculations about what is realistic for the ME Universe, because the game sets its own reality, not me! But I haven't played it yet, so I can't know.
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 01:27
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If the game tells me, that this Spectre suit has better protective properties than the old armor suits, I am inclined to believe the game, though it might not be in accordance with my own speculations about what is realistic for the ME Universe, because the game sets its own reality, not me! But I haven't played it yet, so I can't know.
Well, I suppose bullet-proof spandex and leather could totally exist in the ME universe.
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silver1881 wrote...
AdmiralCheez wrote...
And you know what? I just realized that FemShep was the only girl wearing armor in ME2! Which means she'll probably be alone again in ME3 if Ash doesn't get that promised armor!
Personally, I just want everyone in armor. No fanservice, no estrogen brigade bait. I can imagine what's under the armor just fine, and if anyone (male or female) goes into battle in spandex it breaks the immersion for me.
I am willing to make an exception for Kasumi, because her talents require flexibility and light movement. And she at least wears flats.
thisx10
Only exception being despite Thane's sneaky assassin talents, he's stuck charging up the corridor just like the rest of us. Kasumi's Shadow Strike at least makes her seem stealthy.
But after ME2 I am totally sick of fanservice and hope Ash's armor is Kaidan's "I am tank" outsift resized for her.
WIth a Spectre logo on it.
