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[cactusberry]

I don't like Ashley's look, nor do I like her Spectre status.
My Shepard liked VS in ME1, but in ME3 my Shepard has a bundle of hate for them.

[AdmiralCheez]

mineralica wrote...

So I'm the only female who finds guys in heavy armour more attractive than guys in revealing spandex [cat]suits? Interesting.

Oh, no.  Armor is hot.  Hotter than spandex.

Anway, a few things I realized this morning:

1. You can't complain about squadmates not being properly armored if you don't wear a helmet in combat.  I mean, what, do you think they're going to magically not shoot at your head?

2. Over-the-top outfits really aren't a problem so long as they suit the character and aren't constantly drawn attention to.  Let's face it--Batman looks like a moron, but no one's going to tell him that because he kicks ass and doesn't constantly point his tightly clad rear end at the camera.  The problem with Miranda and Jacob, I think, is that their unrealistic body types, constant sexualization by camera angles, and the fact that they really didn't seem like the type that would dress that way made them look... stupid.  Meanwhile, Thane, Jack, and Samara can pull it off because Thane's a dashing assassin, Jack's batsh*t insane, and Samara's got that whole mystic warrior thing going on.

3. There's nothing wrong with being sexy so long as it's not the whole point of the character.  It took me a very long time to appreciate Miranda as a strong, capable woman because the game passed her off as eye candy.  Sex appeal can be present, sure, but it shouldn't be forced; it's the difference between offerening you a plate of cookies and shoving them down your throat.

4. ME1's characters weren't overtly sexualized, and yet they had no trouble charming their way into the hearts of the players.  People thought Ash and Liara were hot back in 2007, long before Tight Pajamas in Space.

5. Good character design is important, and I can see why, in a game like ME2, each one has to be unique and iconic.  However, too much individuality makes it look like they don't belong in the same universe.  The squad select screen was this close to looking less like a team of specialists and more like an eclectic action figure collection.

6. Futurist combat armor is hot.

[Bcuz]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kaidan has it hard enough as it is with most people thinking he is bland, uninteresting, and/or gay for Shepard.

Saphra? Making a post I agree with?

MY MIND!

That said, Ashley is a soldier, give her heavy armor or go home.

Modifié par Bcuz, 13 septembre 2011 - 02:04 .

[pfhorlorn]

mineralica wrote...

So I'm the only female who finds guys in heavy armour more attractive than guys in revealing spandex [cat]suits? Interesting.

I always thought that Kaidan's ME3 armour is a hell of fanservice :-P

I find both men and women in more revealing clothes to be more arousing, but I wouldn't consider it very practical given whatever the party is doing in the ME series. That stuff's more for bedroom roleplay, heh.

[Kaiser Shepard]

And here I thought it couldn't get worse after the Phoenix Armor debacle...

[jeweledleah]

its an old argument, but claiming that light armor might be better is invalidated by male characters wearing heavy armor. especially Kaidan, who is supposed to be Ashley's Mirror in that regard. both are spectres. both are given equal resources. and yet he wears a heavy hardsuit while Ash.. wears clubwear?

its kind of how I saw that cartoon in OP, actualy.

if Shepard wore spandex? Kaidan and Vega wore spandex? if all commandos you encounter wore spandex (including leaders of their respective mercenary outfits, so you'd think they would have resources to get good stuff)? yes, then you'd have a leg to stand on. but they don't. they wear armor, with plating. so when certain characters wear things that are deliberately designed to accentuate their figures in some very impractical ways (heels, hair in their eyes, exposed cleavage)? I'm sorry for looking at it askance and not accepting the "lore" explanation. I'm not THAT naive.

P.S. there is a reason why they teach you to aim for center mass, aka torso. its much easier to hit, all the major organs are there, and its more likely to stop a person. head shots are something that snipers and movie characters do. even legs are easier to hit, since they are relatively large targets, especially upper leg and there are some major blood vessels there (plus disabling a limb like that means disabling a person from running away.. or towards you). so no, even if you don't wear a helmet, complains are STILL valid.

[Arppis]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kaidan has it hard enough as it is with most people thinking he is bland, uninteresting, and/or gay for Shepard.

I often wonder where this comes from.

You know the "scene" when you go and talk to Kaidan while he's working with the yellow screen? Shepard's skin looks like it's glistering with sweat on that screen and Kaidan is pretty sweaty too... That just has a certain "gay-vibe" on it. But, other than that... I dunno!

[Russalka]

Sexual objectification is fun if it happens equally to both genders.

[Arppis]

Russalka wrote...

Sexual objectification is fun if it happens equally to both genders.

Yeah it does. Nobody just cares if it happens to guys. Guys don't give a damn and women either like it or laugh at it. So it's pretty invisible.

Modifié par Arppis, 13 septembre 2011 - 04:15 .

[NeroSparda]

... Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't the Reaper weaponry still tear through the heavy armor like butter? Not to mention that possible technological advancements that may have taken place that allow you to slap something on the clothes to make them on par with a heavy armor in practicality, unless the comics/books have stated there were none (I didn't read them).

Also we have to take into account what the Character's personal taste in, even the ones that may have changed over the in-game years. Though I am curious if it is just protocol is the reason why Ashley wears heavy armor in Mass Effect 2 (she used Light Armor in my ME1 game).

Modifié par NeroSparda, 13 septembre 2011 - 05:03 .

[ladyvader]

As big as the shoulder pieces on Samara's outfit. I always took it as a light armor. Just her boobs are hanging out, but she's a powerful biotic, so maybe she feels like she doesn't need to cover them.

[mineralica]

koopaonfire wrote...

mineralica wrote...

So I'm the only female who finds guys in heavy armour more attractive than guys in revealing spandex [cat]suits? Interesting.

I always thought that Kaidan's ME3 armour is a hell of fanservice :-P

I find both men and women in more revealing clothes to be more arousing, but I wouldn't consider it very practical given whatever the party is doing in the ME series. That stuff's more for bedroom roleplay, heh.

It's interesting to see how Kaidan's shoulder plating getting bigger and bigger game by game > his shoulders look broader and broader. That's all;)

About helmets: I want +10% damage from headshots so equip visor. Wearing helmet and visor simultaneously looks like overkill, no?

And, finally, about "even heavy armour won't protect from Reapers" - agreed, even Silaris armour unlikely protects from Reapers, but for husks, marauders, indoctrinated Cerberus and rest good old methods still work. If technologies allow creating super bulletproof spandex, I want entire squad wear armour made from 10 layers of such spandex.

[Arppis]

ladyvader wrote...

As big as the shoulder pieces on Samara's outfit. I always took it as a light armor. Just her boobs are hanging out, but she's a powerful biotic, so maybe she feels like she doesn't need to cover them.

It's a nice distraction.

And besides, we all want to feel sexy in someway!

[AdmiralCheez]

jreezy wrote...

I like Ash as a character. I hope I'm not in the minority.

I like Ash as a character, too.  Took me a while to warm up to her, but I really like her.

[AdmiralCheez]

jeweledleah wrote...

its an old argument, but claiming that light armor might be better is invalidated by male characters wearing heavy armor. especially Kaidan, who is supposed to be Ashley's Mirror in that regard. both are spectres. both are given equal resources. and yet he wears a heavy hardsuit while Ash.. wears clubwear?

its kind of how I saw that cartoon in OP, actualy.

if Shepard wore spandex? Kaidan and Vega wore spandex? if all commandos you encounter wore spandex (including leaders of their respective mercenary outfits, so you'd think they would have resources to get good stuff)? yes, then you'd have a leg to stand on. but they don't. they wear armor, with plating. so when certain characters wear things that are deliberately designed to accentuate their figures in some very impractical ways (heels, hair in their eyes, exposed cleavage)? I'm sorry for looking at it askance and not accepting the "lore" explanation. I'm not THAT naive.

*nods approvingly*

P.S. there is a reason why they teach you to aim for center mass, aka torso. its much easier to hit, all the major organs are there, and its more likely to stop a person. head shots are something that snipers and movie characters do. even legs are easier to hit, since they are relatively large targets, especially upper leg and there are some major blood vessels there (plus disabling a limb like that means disabling a person from running away.. or towards you). so no, even if you don't wear a helmet, complains are STILL valid.

*shrug*

[mango smoothie]

I really don't mind Ashley's new outfit I think of it as more of the Alliance trying to give more maneuverability and speed to troops. One thing that all military groups want is to give a good defense, but try to make it as light as possible. With Kinetic Barriers it makes it easier.

[alex90c]

jreezy wrote...

elektrego wrote...

Sometimes I wonder, if people like Ash for her character or because she is "Dat Tank!" in their opinion.

I like Ash as a character. I hope I'm not in the minority.

I like her, just not the poetry crap.

[ladyvader]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I like Ash as a character. I hope I'm not in the minority.

I like Ash as a character, too.  Took me a while to warm up to her, but I really like her.

I'm with you Cheez.  It took me a while to warm up to her, but I did. 

[ladyvader]

mango smoothie wrote...

I really don't mind Ashley's new outfit I think of it as more of the Alliance trying to give more maneuverability and speed to troops. One thing that all military groups want is to give a good defense, but try to make it as light as possible. With Kinetic Barriers it makes it easier.

It's not Alliance armor she is wearing.  It does have a Spectre logo on it. 

[Iakus]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

mineralica wrote...

So I'm the only female who finds guys in heavy armour more attractive than guys in revealing spandex [cat]suits? Interesting.

Oh, no.  Armor is hot.  Hotter than spandex.

Anway, a few things I realized this morning:

1. You can't complain about squadmates not being properly armored if you don't wear a helmet in combat.  I mean, what, do you think they're going to magically not shoot at your head?

I am perfectly willing to live with that.

2. Over-the-top outfits really aren't a problem so long as they suit the character and aren't constantly drawn attention to.  Let's face it--Batman looks like a moron, but no one's going to tell him that because he kicks ass and doesn't constantly point his tightly clad rear end at the camera.  The problem with Miranda and Jacob, I think, is that their unrealistic body types, constant sexualization by camera angles, and the fact that they really didn't seem like the type that would dress that way made them look... stupid.  Meanwhile, Thane, Jack, and Samara can pull it off because Thane's a dashing assassin, Jack's batsh*t insane, and Samara's got that whole mystic warrior thing going on.

The problem is ME1 established that armor is not spandex.  It may be close fitting, but it doesn't show off every crease and crevice lilke certain characters in ME2 do.  Armor also performs other functions than just protection, such as built in computers, life support equipment, and medigel dispensers.  DO I want to know where those are in Miranda's outfit?

3. There's nothing wrong with being sexy so long as it's not the whole point of the character.  It took me a very long time to appreciate Miranda as a strong, capable woman because the game passed her off as eye candy.  Sex appeal can be present, sure, but it shouldn't be forced; it's the difference between offerening you a plate of cookies and shoving them down your throat.

Indeed I can appreciate Miranda as a character.  I cannot appreciate her visual portrayal, as the circulation-restricting outfit didn't seem to jive with her character.  It's more designed to appeal to horny teenagers than to portray a strong, complicated woman.  AAP2 made her worth bringing along on missions.

4. ME1's characters weren't overtly sexualized, and yet they had no trouble charming their way into the hearts of the players.  People thought Ash and Liara were hot back in 2007, long before Tight Pajamas in Space.

Please let the designers keep that in mind, lest they turn Ash and Kaidan into Mass Effect Barbie and Ken!

5. Good character design is important, and I can see why, in a game like ME2, each one has to be unique and iconic.  However, too much individuality makes it look like they don't belong in the same universe.  The squad select screen was this close to looking less like a team of specialists and more like an eclectic action figure collection.

As I've said many times:  Armor can look unique and iconic too.

6. Futurist combat armor is hot.

I'm waiting for a mud pit battle.

[AdmiralCheez]

iakus wrote...

I am perfectly willing to live with that.

As am I.

There's nothing important in Shepard's head, anyway.  The brains are in the pants.

The problem is ME1 established that armor is not spandex.  It may be close fitting, but it doesn't show off every crease and crevice lilke certain characters in ME2 do.  Armor also performs other functions than just protection, such as built in computers, life support equipment, and medigel dispensers.  DO I want to know where those are in Miranda's outfit?

Hence why I prefer armor.  Just saying, the right character type can get away with not having it.  Ash doesn't really fit that bill for me, though.  Hence Kaidan should wear a leotard.

Indeed I can appreciate Miranda as a character.  I cannot appreciate her visual portrayal, as the circulation-restricting outfit didn't seem to jive with her character.  It's more designed to appeal to horny teenagers than to portray a strong, complicated woman.  AAP2 made her worth bringing along on missions.

Indeed.  They need to leave the horny teenagers alone--they can draw fanart all by themselves.

Please let the designers keep that in mind, lest they turn Ash and Kaidan into Mass Effect Barbie and Ken!

Yeah, no sh*t.

As I've said many times:  Armor can look unique and iconic too.

Yes, and if everyone wore hardsuits in combat, they'd look more unified.  I mean, seriously, look at Halo Reach: each one of them was basically wearing a variant of the same ol' Spartan armor, but there were enough differences to instantly tell who was who.  They looked like a team, but a team with personality.

More importantly, they looked like they could take a few hits.  IN SPACE.

I'm waiting for a mud pit battle.

In heavy Colossus.

Moral of the story: Sexy and skintight is sometimes okay, but armor is always good.