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[Eccentrica Gallumbits]

leonia42 wrote...

There should be a dance-off to determine which species should reign supreme.

 This FTW. It should be a minigame in ME3. 

[TobyHasEyes]

Eccentrica Gallumbits wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

There should be a dance-off to determine which species should reign supreme.

 This FTW. It should be a minigame in ME3. 

 When the Keepers win, there will be some sore egos that day

[Medhia Nox]

Space colonization wouldn't be just about finding a Prothean cache - unless that cache also had magical economical and social reforms (which would all be implemented in the laughably short time span between game time period and real world time).

Oh - we found alien tech - time to get along and pool our resources! Sure thing - some of you have such an "optimistic" view of the human race. I envy that just a little.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Small hypothetical: where would the Citadel species be without the asari? Personally, I always imagined the alternative to be a Covenant-like society, with the salarians as Prophets and the turians as their Elites.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 13 septembre 2011 - 05:37 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

I don't really think economical reforms or even social ones were really necessary.

ME tech is shinier, but nothing that changes the whole society upside down. Humans didn't seem to act any different that normal.

[Dean_the_Young]

Well, besides enabling commercial FTL and space travel at an absurdly low cost.

[marshalleck]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

eye basher wrote...

Humans aren't special we just don't like being second fiddle to anyone we like being #1 is who we are.

Which should be the correct attitude of any species, not limited to just human, who have an interest in their continued welfare and existence. 

  using the phrase 'correct attitude of any species'

 Nevermind that continued welfare and existence often isn't achieved by a neverending fight for thee top spot

Which is why I never said anything about a "neverending fight."

Seriously, people on the BSN need to read what other people are actually saying instead of just projecting their fear into the others' words.

Modifié par marshalleck, 13 septembre 2011 - 06:00 .

[Dean_the_Young]

How dare you imply that we do such things for our own amusement and to continue futile debates to waste time until ME3 comes out!

There's nothing futile about it!

[TobyHasEyes]

marshalleck wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

eye basher wrote...

Humans aren't special we just don't like being second fiddle to anyone we like being #1 is who we are.

Which should be the correct attitude of any species, not limited to just human, who have an interest in their continued welfare and existence. 

  using the phrase 'correct attitude of any species'

 Nevermind that continued welfare and existence often isn't achieved by a neverending fight for thee top spot

Which is why I never said anything about a "neverending fight."

Seriously, people on the BSN need to read what other people are actually saying instead of just projecting their fear into the others' words.

 Call it a slight expressive addition to my main point, nothing to get all seriously wound up over

 The main point being my dislike of how the idea that all species should want dominance is flaunted as fact rather than a value judgement. Maybe that wasn't specifically you, but nevermind

[Han Shot First]

Humanity's meteoric rise to power isn't all that unreasonable.

Consider that from about 1870 - 1905 at the conclusion of the Russo-Japanese War (Japan won), Japan went from a pre-industrialized nation to one of the most powerful nations on Earth.

[Dean_the_Young]

Yeah, about that...

Japan was never one of the most powerful nations on Earth in the first half of the century, unless you want to count all the colonial territories as countries. It was a light-weight by most every measure, an opportunistic imperialist who jumped on those weakened by circumstance and distance. Japan was strong relative to other Asian countries, and by virtue that occupied countries in Europe couldn't do much in Asia. But Japan's solution to being bogged down and unable to win in China was to try and attack more powers it couldn't win against.



Japan also had a far smaller gap to cover, had spent a far greater amount of time reforming and implementing its buildup, and was still effectively a first-class lightweight fighter when it tried to make itself equal in all respects.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 13 septembre 2011 - 06:37 .

[The Everchosen of Chaos]

You could say that about almost every country/civilisation on Earth. Great Britain and the British Empire came to dominate a quarter of the earth, mainly because of the Industrial Revolution. As soon as other nations became industrialised we 'Britain' began to lose our economic advantage and slowly this translated to our military advantages as well. In short Technology and it's use is a great driver of empires and scientific innovation however it is a double edged sword- once this new technology becomes commonplace your country suddenly loses the 'edge' over it's rivals.

Nuclear technology is a great example of this and as we all know was a driving factor of the Cold War. A similar situation could easily occur in ME and this is exactly what Cerberus wants to achieve, thats the whole point of getting the Collectors base- it gives a technological advantage over the alien species. it could be used against the Reapers but of course the long term effects would be Human dominance. There is no real reason why this couldn't be one of the end results of ME 3 based of course on your past actions. It's probably why Cerberus plays such a large role in the Narrative.

[Whatever42]

Going to make one quick point:

At the beginning of ME1, we are known for our aggressiveness and military adaptability. The council is more struggling with how to control us than seriously include us. They saw us as a useful catspaw to use against the Batarians and other aggressive species outside their influence.

Humanity only rose to the top because Reapers showed up and butchered the council fleet. We didn't earn top spot; everyone else just got knocked down.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Humanity, if they've taken over the Council, have established connections with the Volus and they aren't doing that bad with the other non-Council races. The Salarians don't seem to mind them much either, it's mostly the Asari and Turians which are angry.

What does this mean? It means the Human Council has done more politically within two years than the other Council, they've just had to step on a few toes to accomplish it. They've got support from the non-Council races, something which the other Council never really accomplished, and they could easily sway the Salarians to their side.

Assuming the Reaper war can hurt the Turians, Humans can dominate the galaxy. They've got minor resistance from the Asari (their military isn't that organized for larger scale conflict), though others are mostly indifferent or happier with the New Council. Add in the Human Council having control of the galaxy's economy through the Volus? Quite feasible.

Our diversity, more open ways of thinking and ties with those who didn't care much for the old Council could carry us to the top.

Changes in leadership are almost always greeted with acceptance by those who feel themselves disadvantaged by the current regime.

For example the Volus/Elcor/the others may see humanities rise as an opportunity to improve their station.

[Someone With Mass]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
Humanity only rose to the top because Reapers showed up and butchered the council fleet. We didn't earn top spot; everyone else just got knocked down.

That's funny, because the majority of the Alliance fleet is stationed in Earth's orbit right before the initial Reaper attack. They got smacked around something fierce.

[Whatever42]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
Humanity only rose to the top because Reapers showed up and butchered the council fleet. We didn't earn top spot; everyone else just got knocked down.

That's funny, because the majority of the Alliance fleet is stationed in Earth's orbit right before the initial Reaper attack. They got smacked around something fierce.

Yup, that rise to the top thing was pretty short-lived.

[CMDR Locke]

The last time a species invented something new, they lost their homeworld, and colony worlds and now live in a fleet of junked spaceships.

Yeah I'd prolly stagnate as well.

[Biotic Sage]

These variables are all good points SandTrout. However, as much as I love the Mass Effect universe, I think it would make a lot more sense to most people if the timeline allowed for authentic growth of human influence and integration into the galactic community. My opinion here is based mainly on how many humans we see all over the galaxy, many of them in prominent positions and a great many comprising the bulk of quite a few organizations. Approximately 400 years after First Contact seems like a reasonable elapsed time to me for how prevalent humans are in the galactic community in ME1 and ME2.

[SandTrout]

Everything that has transpired in this thread has done so according to my plans.


Really, though, this has mostly been pretty good discussion, anti-humans aside.

Very good point, Ieldra, about the economic expansion being limited. I would, however, attribute at least some of this to population density on Earth, similar to how Britain's population density in the 1600's led to a massive industrial explosion once they reached the New World.

[Xilizhra]

I don't think we've ever seen any true antihumans on this forum, a few trolls aside.

[Bcuz]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I just don't really care for it as a setting. I understand why Bioware did it, but personally...

Two Saphra posts in one day that i've seen and agreed with?

I for one am dumbfounded.

[SandTrout]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't think we've ever seen any true antihumans on this forum, a few trolls aside.

Someone With Mass.

[Someone With Mass]

SandTrout wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't think we've ever seen any true antihumans on this forum, a few trolls aside.

Someone With Mass.

I just have no reason to care about humanity in Mass Effect at all.

Sacrificing entire species to save one stinking rock? **** that noise. That'd make me worse than TIM.