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[Zakatak757]

leonia42 wrote...

armass wrote...

Unrealistic? Definately.

But it's a story with human writers, what do you expect.

I demand the next game be written by non-humans!

Those fookin' prawns can't write, mate! How many schools do you see in District 9?

[Bcuz]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't think we've ever seen any true antihumans on this forum, a few trolls aside.

Someone With Mass.

We call them Paragons.

The neutral option is a good friend of mine in this regard.

EDIT: in the defence of someone with mass, Udina/TIM are both jerks, and major "representations" of humanity, so it's fairly easy to generalize how humans act in the game because of them.

Modifié par Bcuz, 13 septembre 2011 - 10:59 .

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't think we've ever seen any true antihumans on this forum, a few trolls aside.

Someone With Mass.

We call them Paragons.

Who still got humanity a huge shot of goodwill, a seat on the Council, and were willing to work with Cerberus to save a bunch of human colonies... hmmm.

[Bcuz]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


Who still got humanity a huge shot of goodwill, a seat on the Council, and were willing to work with Cerberus to save a bunch of human colonies... hmmm.

Their espoused beliefs and admitted loyalties and priorities are what make them anti-human whether they want to admit it to themselves or not.

If you are white, you are not either racist or anti-white, that's just flawed logic.

Would I save the Turian Counciler? Hell no. Would I save 10,000 intellegent beings at the cost of 2,000 if the Turian Counciler is on board? Well the rest of the council is on that ship too, and letting them die would strain relations with aliens, as well as leave the galaxy politicly unstable for the comming of the Reapers. Also, Destiny Asention has a big-ass gun. I'd say that if it's not caught off gaurd it could take at least half a large Reapers sheild's off with that thing.

So if winning hearts and minds and saving lives makes me anti-human, then please, explain to me why.

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


Who still got humanity a huge shot of goodwill, a seat on the Council, and were willing to work with Cerberus to save a bunch of human colonies... hmmm.

Their espoused beliefs and admitted loyalties and priorities are what make them anti-human whether they want to admit it to themselves or not.

I have no intention of taking time out of my day to harm humanity.

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I have no intention of taking time out of my day to harm humanity.

Then why is it you do just that? Whenever you see humanty attempting to gain an advantage you work your hardest to undermine it. You do it in the interests of "galactic welfare". That's still anti-human because it runs contrary to human interests.

I have never gone out of my way to undermine a human advantage just because it was a human advantage. I've only ever done that when not doing so would be directly harmful to the greatest good.

[sgtrock]

Humans have possibly been able to advance to an almost equal level because of our greed. Basically someone wanted to make money, so they went to mars to start a colony. then they find advance technology, this technology is then applied to current human tech. More and more people begin to take this tech and make it more advanced so they can make more money. This cycle is not fully present in many of the council races because they have many policies restricting advancements. I do not know the names of the policies, but ones such as not opening unstudied relays, or restricting naval fleets are hindrances on advancements.
An example i will use will be the policy restricting the opening of new relays after the rachni wars. While the council races just used there current policy, humans most likely would have just increased there military and would have made weapons that could wipe planets clean of life, or planet busters.
I really am not the smartest person, i'm just throwing out what i think. so please don't go and start bashing me.

[Someone With Mass]

Xilizhra wrote...
I have never gone out of my way to undermine a human advantage just because it was a human advantage. I've only ever done that when not doing so would be directly harmful to the greatest good.

Same here.

I'm not ridding humanity of any advantages it might have. I'm simply not willing to sacrifice the foundations of other species to save something that's already on the deathbed.

Earth is lost in ME3. I will need every single ally I can get to rid the galaxy of the Reaper menace once and for all. If that comes at a price, then so be it.

[marshalleck]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Earth is lost in ME3. I will need every single ally I can get to rid the galaxy of the Reaper menace once and for all. If that comes at a price, then so be it.

Actually it's not, Mass Effect 3 is about your Shepard rallying the forces of the galaxy to save Earth.

[Someone With Mass]

marshalleck wrote...
Actually it's not, Mass Effect 3 is about your Shepard rallying the forces of the galaxy to save Earth.

Saving Earth won't rid us of the Reapers as a whole unless we've dealt with them on the way there.

[Arkitekt]

I also think the decades of rising humans is pretty poor writing by Bioware, and luckily we are not heavily exposed to it until you actually read the codex entries, etc. However, the overall story of the rise itself is a good story to read and entertaining, and so I don't complain much. For me, these stories are about entertainment, not "realism". That would be completely foolish.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

It doesn't matter what your intent is. You are an anti-human actor. Don't make me use a corny comparison. Don't worry, it won't be ... you know who.

Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

[Apathy1989]

It is slightly silly that humanity can go from mass effect engines to running the council in less than 40 years. It should have been at least 80 years - long enough that humanity could have been expanding, but short enough that other races will still be bitter about it.

Demanding several centuries from the writers seems unreasonable, since such a period to our minds would no longer make us "newcomers", despite this still being the case for the older races.


As to human superiority, its probably a safe bet that we are. There must be something, whether the perfect mix of attributes, or just better in general, which makes the reapers so interested in humanity. Strength, dexterity and age don't appear to be remarkable. I suppose its our genetic diversity, emotions and drive, and strong feelings of independence after the first contact war which has made humanity strong.

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

It doesn't matter what your intent is. You are an anti-human actor. Don't make me use a corny comparison. Don't worry, it won't be ... you know who.

Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

If you're catholic.

Otherwise, pride is only bad when taken to excess, but a lack of it is a flaw.

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


I have never gone out of my way to undermine a human advantage just because it was a human advantage. I've only ever done that when not doing so would be directly harmful to the greatest good.

It doesn't matter what your intent is. You are an anti-human actor. Don't make me use a corny comparison. Don't worry, it won't be ... you know who.

If the choices are anti-human or anti-galactic, I'll go with the one that lets me protect more people.

[Taritu]

Yes, it's stupid. Leaving everything else aside, our population and industrial base would be a fraction of the major races who have been in space for hundreds or thousands of years. Also, the idea that humans are genetically diverse flies directly against what science tells us, we are remarkably un-diverse, having bottlenecked very recently.

[Dean_the_Young]

Taritu wrote...

Yes, it's stupid. Leaving everything else aside, our population and industrial base would be a fraction of the major races who have been in space for hundreds or thousands of years. Also, the idea that humans are genetically diverse flies directly against what science tells us, we are remarkably un-diverse, having bottlenecked very recently.

Diverse is a relative term: science tells us nothing about how diverse we are compared to alien species, which have plenty of their own opportunities for more severe bottlenecks. (Quarian genocide, salarian breeding politics, Asari parenthood, genetic therapies inducing homogenization, etc.).

[Medhia Nox]

Are we told what information the Prothean cache had?

Because - if it only detailed the Mass Effect drive - that leaves an "unreasonable" amount of technology that still would need to be developed to get portions of the civilian population of Earth into space.

The convoluted sequence of events that transpires to get ME going is simply a form of Deus Ex Machina

[sgtrock]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Are we told what information the Prothean cache had?

Because - if it only detailed the Mass Effect drive - that leaves an "unreasonable" amount of technology that still would need to be developed to get portions of the civilian population of Earth into space.

The convoluted sequence of events that transpires to get ME going is simply a form of Deus Ex Machina

My slow mind disagrees, simply because i might possibly want to disagree.

[RAF1940]

I don't find it unreasonable.

[RAF1940]

Apathy1989 wrote...

It is slightly silly that humanity can go from mass effect engines to running the council in less than 40 years. It should have been at least 80 years - long enough that humanity could have been expanding, but short enough that other races will still be bitter about it.

Humans are very ambitious.