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[The Unfallen]

I saw this thread over at B.net, and saw many good arguments against the Reapers, as to why the Covenant would win, and thought I might see what BioWare forums have to say about that.

Here's some of the things they've come up with so far as arguments against a Reaper victory:

1) Mass Effect ships fire in Kilotons, Covenant fire in Megatons (Still, we really don't know the damage output of Reaper tech.)
2) Mass Effect technology relies off of Kinetic Barriers, which don't protect against Plasma. (Yes, they honestly think Reapers use the same tech as every other race)
3) Reapers are 2 km average, apparently, while Covenant ships are miles long. (Then again I don't think size matters)
4) Ships cannot engage in lengthy combat without discharging their cores. (But they are still MUCH more maneuverable than Halo craft)
5) FTL does not exist in the ME verse without Mass Relays (Still, why should this matter)

These are just some of their rebuttles, I personally think the Reapers would win, simply because the Covenant in HALO allowed themselves to fall apart through civil war, which shows me they have a very frail and primitive political leadership, which doesn't even compare to the pinpoint accurate and flawless mind of a machine. Plus, the Reapers have been committing Galaxy wide genocide for millions, possibly even billions of years, I am at least 100 percent sure the Covenant isn't anything out of the ordinary for the Reapers.

Reapers win, hands down.

Modifié par The Unfallen, 13 septembre 2011 - 10:59 .

[didymos1120]

That's nice, but this isn't really relevant to Mass Effect 3. Though I will note that this:

The Unfallen wrote...

5) FTL does not exist in the ME verse without Mass Relays (Still, why should this matter)

is wrong. It most certainly does exist.

Modifié par didymos1120, 13 septembre 2011 - 11:01 .

[The Unfallen]

didymos1120 wrote...

That's nice, but this isn't really relevant to Mass Effect 3. Though I will note that this:

The Unfallen wrote...

5) FTL does not exist in the ME verse without Mass Relays (Still, why should this matter)

is wrong. It most certainly does exist.

Plus the fact that ME ships can spin, flip, dip, and do all sorts of maneuvers that will allow them to fly circles around Halo craft. But that's beside the point, if it took all these ships to take down one Reaper, it wouldn't be too far fetched to say that the Covenant would have a hayday with a Reaper fleet. They would obliterate the Covenant many times over.

[Dominus]

Also, this is applicable as a versus thread. Not good.

[CroGamer002]

Not ME3 related.
Versus threads ain't allowed.


Lockdown will come very soon.

[V-rex]

This is a versus thread, expect it to be locked soon.

But while I'm here:

Hail the might of the Holy Covenant and the glory of the Sangheili!!

[XyleJKH]

Easily the reapers. Mostly due to the fact of mass effecy fields that does not exist on covenant craft. Plasma weapons, yeah I guess but typical armor can withstand that kind of heat for a short time. Not to mention indoctrination. ME universe wins hands down

[Kaiser Shepard]

V-rex wrote...

This is a versus thread, expect it to be locked soon.

But while I'm here:

Hail the might of the Holy Covenant and the glory of the Sangheili!!

On the blood of our fathers, on the blood of our sons - we swore to uphold the Covenant!

Might as well, while I'm also here.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 13 septembre 2011 - 02:18 .

[Someone With Mass]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

V-rex wrote...

This is a versus thread, expect it to be locked soon.

But while I'm here:

Hail the might of the Holy Covenant and the glory of the Sangheili!!

On the blood of our fathers, on the blood of our sons - we swore to uphold the Covenant!

Even to our dying breath!

[marstor05]

Halo Sucks. Totally.

[DonDaMon]

iNb4dal0ck

[robarcool]

I have a feeling this thread will be locked, for comparison reasons.

[XyleJKH]

Halo is kewl as well, but I like mass effect better

[Alexnssilent]

Elite/Human Alliance vs Reapers= Reapers destroyed in seconds. I have said my piece.

[111987]

The Unfallen wrote...

I saw this thread over at B.net, and saw many good arguments against the Reapers, as to why the Covenant would win, and thought I might see what BioWare forums have to say about that.

Here's some of the things they've come up with so far as arguments against a Reaper victory:

1) Mass Effect ships fire in Kilotons, Covenant fire in Megatons (Still, we really don't know the damage output of Reaper tech.)
2) Mass Effect technology relies off of Kinetic Barriers, which don't protect against Plasma. (Yes, they honestly think Reapers use the same tech as every other race)
3) Reapers are 2 km average, apparently, while Covenant ships are miles long. (Then again I don't think size matters)
4) Ships cannot engage in lengthy combat without discharging their cores. (But they are still MUCH more maneuverable than Halo craft)
5) FTL does not exist in the ME verse without Mass Relays (Still, why should this matter)

These are just some of their rebuttles, I personally think the Reapers would win, simply because the Covenant in HALO allowed themselves to fall apart through civil war, which shows me they have a very frail and primitive political leadership, which doesn't even compare to the pinpoint accurate and flawless mind of a machine. Plus, the Reapers have been committing Galaxy wide genocide for millions, possibly even billions of years, I am at least 100 percent sure the Covenant isn't anything out of the ordinary for the Reapers.

Reapers win, hands down.

1). Covenant weapons are so much more powerful than anything in Mass Effect. Their weapons fire would literally vaporize the Reapers with a single shot.
2). A kinetic barrier is a kinetic barrier; the Reaper kinetic barriers aren't magically invulnerable to plasma. Thus, their hulls will be taking megatons of force; since a single Disruptor Torpedo can kill an unshielded Reaper...this isn't looking good for the Reapers.
3). It's true, Reapers are 2km long, while the Covenant's largest ship (and they have 4 of them) is 27 kilometers long. Do you know how many weapons that thing has, and how strong its shielding is? A single supercarrier could honestly probably kill hundreds of Reapers alone.
4). I don't know where you got this 'much more manuverable thing' from, so i'm going to move on.
5). FTL does exist in ME, it's just nowhere near the Covenant's capabilities. This allows them to have pinpoint jumps to anywhere in the galaxy, and they don't have to worry about drive core discharge.

As a huge fan of both series, I can rationally say that a single Covenant fleet would completley obliterate the Reapers.

[robarcool]

The Unfallen wrote...

I saw this thread over at B.net, and saw many good arguments against the Reapers, as to why the Covenant would win, and thought I might see what BioWare forums have to say about that.

Here's some of the things they've come up with so far as arguments against a Reaper victory:

1) Mass Effect ships fire in Kilotons, Covenant fire in Megatons (Still, we really don't know the damage output of Reaper tech.)
2) Mass Effect technology relies off of Kinetic Barriers, which don't protect against Plasma. (Yes, they honestly think Reapers use the same tech as every other race)
3) Reapers are 2 km average, apparently, while Covenant ships are miles long. (Then again I don't think size matters)
4) Ships cannot engage in lengthy combat without discharging their cores. (But they are still MUCH more maneuverable than Halo craft)
5) FTL does not exist in the ME verse without Mass Relays (Still, why should this matter)

These are just some of their rebuttles, I personally think the Reapers would win, simply because the Covenant in HALO allowed themselves to fall apart through civil war, which shows me they have a very frail and primitive political leadership, which doesn't even compare to the pinpoint accurate and flawless mind of a machine. Plus, the Reapers have been committing Galaxy wide genocide for millions, possibly even billions of years, I am at least 100 percent sure the Covenant isn't anything out of the ordinary for the Reapers.

Reapers win, hands down.

I think so too. Covenant has brute force, but reapers are far more experienced (at least millions of years lol!) and are much more organized than covenant. A reaper doesn't even need to be in sight of a covenant ship. Indoctrination starts and there goes all your covenant crew. Reapers are deadlier IMO.

[Computer_God91]

Reapers win. Indoctrination, Super intelligent AI, millions of years of genocide experience, and they normally have the element of surprise.

The Covenant was destroyed by civil war and humans. Pathetic if you ask me.

[Longsword-83]

111987 wrote...

1). Covenant weapons are so much more powerful than anything in Mass Effect. Their weapons fire would literally vaporize the Reapers with a single shot.
2). A kinetic barrier is a kinetic barrier; the Reaper kinetic barriers aren't magically invulnerable to plasma. Thus, their hulls will be taking megatons of force; since a single Disruptor Torpedo can kill an unshielded Reaper...this isn't looking good for the Reapers.
3). It's true, Reapers are 2km long, while the Covenant's largest ship (and they have 4 of them) is 27 kilometers long. Do you know how many weapons that thing has, and how strong its shielding is? A single supercarrier could honestly probably kill hundreds of Reapers alone.
4). I don't know where you got this 'much more manuverable thing' from, so i'm going to move on.
5). FTL does exist in ME, it's just nowhere near the Covenant's capabilities. This allows them to have pinpoint jumps to anywhere in the galaxy, and they don't have to worry about drive core discharge.

As a huge fan of both series, I can rationally say that a single Covenant fleet would completley obliterate the Reapers.

The biggest problem being that the Reapers fully understand their own tech and can adapt it to roughly any situation, or so I assume. The Covenent consider it heresy to tweak their tech in any way, shape, or form. That constitutes a major flaw in their strategy to me. I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that simply because the Covenant have superior technology, doesn't mean they have complete mastery of it, whereas Reapers do.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Let us all completely ignore the fact that Covenant shields can withstand bombardment from rounds MUCH MUCH MUCH more powerful then the peashooters on dreadnaughts.....


And if you are going to use The Great Schism to judge The Covenant then this vs is just stupid, you would want the fanatical zealot Covenant vs reapers when they're at their strongest.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 13 septembre 2011 - 04:44 .

[Computer_God91]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Let us all completely ignore the fact that Covenant shields can withstand bombardment from rounds MUCH MUCH MUCH more powerful then the peashooters on dreadnaughts.....

Ok. Will do.

[111987]

Longsword-83 wrote...

111987 wrote...

1). Covenant weapons are so much more powerful than anything in Mass Effect. Their weapons fire would literally vaporize the Reapers with a single shot.
2). A kinetic barrier is a kinetic barrier; the Reaper kinetic barriers aren't magically invulnerable to plasma. Thus, their hulls will be taking megatons of force; since a single Disruptor Torpedo can kill an unshielded Reaper...this isn't looking good for the Reapers.
3). It's true, Reapers are 2km long, while the Covenant's largest ship (and they have 4 of them) is 27 kilometers long. Do you know how many weapons that thing has, and how strong its shielding is? A single supercarrier could honestly probably kill hundreds of Reapers alone.
4). I don't know where you got this 'much more manuverable thing' from, so i'm going to move on.
5). FTL does exist in ME, it's just nowhere near the Covenant's capabilities. This allows them to have pinpoint jumps to anywhere in the galaxy, and they don't have to worry about drive core discharge.

As a huge fan of both series, I can rationally say that a single Covenant fleet would completley obliterate the Reapers.

The biggest problem being that the Reapers fully understand their own tech and can adapt it to roughly any situation, or so I assume. The Covenent consider it heresy to tweak their tech in any way, shape, or form. That constitutes a major flaw in their strategy to me. I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that simply because the Covenant have superior technology, doesn't mean they have complete mastery of it, whereas Reapers do.

Yes they understand their tech better, but they can't magically adapt it to block plasma, or fire rounds in the megatons...

[111987]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Reapers win. Indoctrination, Super intelligent AI, millions of years of genocide experience, and they normally have the element of surprise.

The Covenant was destroyed by civil war and humans. Pathetic if you ask me.

Covenant AI is just as sophisticated, if not more so, than Reaper AI. And Indoctrination is a slow process, and the Reaper has to be close.

The Covenant were defeated by a civil war and the flood, not humans. Humans would have been totally anhilated.

[Chuvvy]

40k would decimate both. It's so ridiculously op.

[BatmanPWNS]

As always when someone disagrees with Mass Effects side outside of BSN there posts get sent here so BSN can bash it to death.,

[maxpowers2525]

lockdown please