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[Zakatak757]

The Pillar of Autumn is a 1.3km cruiser with no shields and the only heavy weapon it had was a Shredder MAC cannon. 600 ton depleted uranium travelling at 30,000 m/s (better then any ME ship, but highly unwieldy) and it destroyed multiple cruisers.

Reapers won't have any problem taking down a CCS Battlecruiser.

[Dreadwing 67]

Are we forgetting that if the Covenant were in the ME universe, likely they would fall into the same trap every other species have fallen into. They would have based their government in the citadel....boom, wiped out.

If not, the reapers would have wiped them out before they were able to create all these advanced weapons.

Bottom line, the Reapers Reap early to prevent a race like say the covenant.

That is the reapers advantage that has worked for Millions of years.

Modifié par Dreadwing 67, 13 septembre 2011 - 10:11 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

111987 wrote...
It won't even last 5 seconds though :happy:

So? Do I need a stream of bullets that lasts over 5 seconds to harm someone? No.... just one. Good try though.

[baman]

But uuh, Covenant FTL travel through some exotic extradimensional space right? While Reapers don't. Which means the reapers could potentially make a FTL kamikaze attack on the covenant ships. Or just build a FTL drive into a big rock with remote targeting systems.
Now I doubt any kinetic barrier could withstand that. Maybe from a relatively small reaper ship, but hell, what about a asteroid the size of our moon. Mars, Jupiter et cetera? Such mass at such speed would obliterate even the strongest Covenant ships, and probably their entire fleet .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Honestly I think a few Spess Mehren fleets would utterly destroy both of them.

Or some Necrons...

Or the Nids....

Or the gorram space elves.....

I'm noticing a pattern.

[bobdooly]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

Ace of Dawn wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

Good point. My rebuttel is that Reapers can't just change into FTL at the drop of a dime, nor in seconds. Theyalso need time to aim their weapons, which means they would be vulnerable once they popped out inside the 100,000 km range of energy projectors.

If a Reaper was a standar craft, sure.

But they are essentially Advanced AI in a squid like body.

Reorient their weapons (their "tentacles") and firing while planning to go FTL would likely be simple.

Nothing has been shown to suggest that is impossible or even difficult, other than possibly frying crew members on board due to excessive heat, of which doesn't effect the Reapers.

Do you have any idea how absurdly gigantic space is? It takes 8 minutes for light to get to Earth from the sun. You need exact measurements to hit anything with weapons, you can't just pop in with pre oriented weapons. You need to aim them. If a ship moves a few feet to the left as you fire, you miss.

Dude it is shown in the cut-sceenes... Reapers fire as they please... plus since they are advanced AI I am sure the calculations are done in picoseconds

The Citadel fleet was within visual range AND all bunched together. Not hard to hit when you have a hose weapon.

[Zakatak757]

Dreadwing 67 wrote...

Are we forgetting that if the Covenant were in the ME universe, likely they would fall into the same trap every other species have fallen into. They would have based their government in the citadel....boom, wiped out.

The moment they realized the species were collaborating with humans, they would have glassed the Citadel, like they do with all "unworthy" planets (I would consider it a planet).

[111987]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

111987 wrote...
It won't even last 5 seconds though :happy:

So? Do I need a stream of bullets that lasts over 5 seconds to harm someone? No.... just one. Good try though.

Irrelevant. In this case a Reaper's combined weaponry wouldn't destroy a Covie ship in one salvo, while a Covvie shot would.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Zakatak757 wrote...

The Pillar of Autumn is a 1.3km cruiser with no shields and the only heavy weapon it had was a Shredder MAC cannon. 600 ton depleted uranium travelling at 30,000 m/s (better then any ME ship, but highly unwieldy) and it destroyed multiple cruisers.

Reapers won't have any problem taking down a CCS Battlecruiser.

Thank you.  

Dreadwing 67 wrote...

Are we forgetting that if the Covenant were in the ME universe, likely they would fall into the same trap every other species have fallen into. They would have based their government in the citadel....boom, wiped out.

If not, the reapers would have wiped them out before they were able to create all these advanced weapons.

Bottom line, the Reapers Reap early to prevent a race like say the covenant.

And Thank you too...  

All points I made before and SOMEONE erhem... didnt want to listen.

[Omega4RelayResident]

111987 wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

111987 wrote...
It won't even last 5 seconds though :happy:

So? Do I need a stream of bullets that lasts over 5 seconds to harm someone? No.... just one. Good try though.

Irrelevant. In this case a Reaper's combined weaponry wouldn't destroy a Covie ship in one salvo, while a Covvie shot would.

The Covenant Shields are NOT INVINCIBLE.... STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP. Irrelevant my fanny.

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 13 septembre 2011 - 10:16 .

[bobdooly]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

The Pillar of Autumn is a 1.3km cruiser with no shields and the only heavy weapon it had was a Shredder MAC cannon. 600 ton depleted uranium travelling at 30,000 m/s (better then any ME ship, but highly unwieldy) and it destroyed multiple cruisers.

Reapers won't have any problem taking down a CCS Battlecruiser.

Thank you.  

Dreadwing 67 wrote...

Are we forgetting that if the Covenant were in the ME universe, likely they would fall into the same trap every other species have fallen into. They would have based their government in the citadel....boom, wiped out.

If not, the reapers would have wiped them out before they were able to create all these advanced weapons.

Bottom line, the Reapers Reap early to prevent a race like say the covenant.

And Thank you too...  

All points I made before and SOMEONE erhem... didnt want to listen.

This is a what if battle. Not a what if AU. If the Halo 2 era (height of power) Covenant fought against ME era reapers (height of power).

[111987]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

111987 wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

111987 wrote...
It won't even last 5 seconds though :happy:

So? Do I need a stream of bullets that lasts over 5 seconds to harm someone? No.... just one. Good try though.

Irrelevant. In this case a Reaper's combined weaponry wouldn't destroy a Covie ship in one salvo, while a Covvie shot would.

The Covenant Shields are NOT INVINCIBLE.... STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP. Irrelevant my fanny.

Covie shields withstand megaton scale blasts. Reaper weaponry is in the kiloton range. Do the math my friend.

[bobdooly]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

111987 wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

111987 wrote...
It won't even last 5 seconds though :happy:

So? Do I need a stream of bullets that lasts over 5 seconds to harm someone? No.... just one. Good try though.

Irrelevant. In this case a Reaper's combined weaponry wouldn't destroy a Covie ship in one salvo, while a Covvie shot would.

The Covenant Shields are NOT INVINCIBLE.... STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP. Irrelevant my fanny.

Takes 3 600 ton at 3,000 km/s to punch through a CCS Battlecruiser's shields (I think. Correct me on the speed)

[Eternal Phoenix]

The Unfallen wrote...

I saw this thread over at B.net, and saw many good arguments against the Reapers, as to why the Covenant would win, and thought I might see what BioWare forums have to say about that.

Here's some of the things they've come up with so far as arguments against a Reaper victory:

1) Mass Effect ships fire in Kilotons, Covenant fire in Megatons (Still, we really don't know the damage output of Reaper tech.)
2) Mass Effect technology relies off of Kinetic Barriers, which don't protect against Plasma. (Yes, they honestly think Reapers use the same tech as every other race)
3) Reapers are 2 km average, apparently, while Covenant ships are miles long. (Then again I don't think size matters)
4) Ships cannot engage in lengthy combat without discharging their cores. (But they are still MUCH more maneuverable than Halo craft)
5) FTL does not exist in the ME verse without Mass Relays (Still, why should this matter)

These are just some of their rebuttles, I personally think the Reapers would win, simply because the Covenant in HALO allowed themselves to fall apart through civil war, which shows me they have a very frail and primitive political leadership, which doesn't even compare to the pinpoint accurate and flawless mind of a machine. Plus, the Reapers have been committing Galaxy wide genocide for millions, possibly even billions of years, I am at least 100 percent sure the Covenant isn't anything out of the ordinary for the Reapers.

Reapers win, hands down.

Really? Because The Convenant fell apart through civial war? The Convenant fell apart because The Elites learned that The Prophets were seeking to end all life through the Halos which are far superior to The Reapers. When they learned that, they rebelled against the Convenant and since most Convenant were Elites, it makes sense for them to have won the civial war. It's my understanding that The Halo Array ends all life in the galaxy straight away when activated whereas Reapers go about eating things.

Now if we're talking about The Convenant technology Vs Reaper technology, again (from what I've seen), Convenant technology is just as powerful and capable of destroying vast lands and entire worlds.

This reminds me of the Commander Shepard Vs Master Chief argument. Master Chief is a heavily augmentated super soldier who can run about in open fire, dodging bullets whereas Commander Shepard hides behind cover. One punch from Master Chief and it's game over for poor Shepard.

[111987]

Zakatak757 wrote...

The Pillar of Autumn is a 1.3km cruiser with no shields and the only heavy weapon it had was a Shredder MAC cannon. 600 ton depleted uranium travelling at 30,000 m/s (better then any ME ship, but highly unwieldy) and it destroyed multiple cruisers.

Reapers won't have any problem taking down a CCS Battlecruiser.

How did it take them down then?

[Omega4RelayResident]

bobdooly wrote...

This is a what if battle. Not a what if AU. If the Halo 2 era (height of power) Covenant fought against ME era reapers (height of power).

Listen a parasitic organizm crippled the Covenant... I dont deal in what ifs... If a case of sentient athleets foot devours your entire so called "Advanced" race you are not going to win against the Reapers.

PERIOD.

[Kaiser Shepard]

I love how we're having a semi-serious Halo related discussion on these forums, especially considering the community on the Bungie ones.

[111987]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

This is a what if battle. Not a what if AU. If the Halo 2 era (height of power) Covenant fought against ME era reapers (height of power).

Listen a parasitic organizm crippled the Covenant... I dont deal in what ifs... If a case of sentient athleets foot devours your entire so called "Advanced" race you are not going to win against the Reapers.

PERIOD.

That is horrible logic. So, since the Forerunner lost to the Flood, the Reapers can beat the Forerunner?

[Dreadwing 67]

@bobdooly. Its what makes a Reaper a Reaper and where they have they're huge advantage. Not in confrontation with a species will above the intended "powerlevel"

[Omega4RelayResident]

111987 wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

The Pillar of Autumn is a 1.3km cruiser with no shields and the only heavy weapon it had was a Shredder MAC cannon. 600 ton depleted uranium travelling at 30,000 m/s (better then any ME ship, but highly unwieldy) and it destroyed multiple cruisers.

Reapers won't have any problem taking down a CCS Battlecruiser.

How did it take them down then?

He is quoting direct text... leave this point alone like as if you just lost... argue the other ones because if you argue this you are saying Bungie is incorrect.

[bobdooly]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

This is a what if battle. Not a what if AU. If the Halo 2 era (height of power) Covenant fought against ME era reapers (height of power).

Listen a parasitic organizm crippled the Covenant... I dont deal in what ifs... If a case of sentient athleets foot devours your entire so called "Advanced" race you are not going to win against the Reapers.

PERIOD.

lolwut

[Zakatak757]

Better idea.

Pillar of Autumn vs. Normandy SR2.

[Omega4RelayResident]

111987 wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

This is a what if battle. Not a what if AU. If the Halo 2 era (height of power) Covenant fought against ME era reapers (height of power).

Listen a parasitic organizm crippled the Covenant... I dont deal in what ifs... If a case of sentient athleets foot devours your entire so called "Advanced" race you are not going to win against the Reapers.

PERIOD.

That is horrible logic. So, since the Forerunner lost to the Flood, the Reapers can beat the Forerunner?

Forerunner beat the Flood by killing all life other than microbes... including themselves. Bad analogy.

[Zakatak757]

Although, for the record, ship-mounted weapons in Halo are devastating compared pretty much anything that isn't Star Trek/Wars.

UNSC rail guns can push 600-3000 ton uranium slugs to about 0.5% of lightspeed. ME has maybe 20-40kg slugs going 1.3% in comparison. Covenant weapons are designed to glass over planets, burning holes in the ground until all that is left is magma.

So long as Reaper can stay out of the way of these horror weapons (shouldn't be too hard) and can land those Thanix cannons in the right spot, Reaper wins.

Modifié par Zakatak757, 13 septembre 2011 - 10:27 .

[111987]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

111987 wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

The
Pillar of Autumn is a 1.3km cruiser with no shields and the only heavy
weapon it had was a Shredder MAC cannon. 600 ton depleted uranium
travelling at 30,000 m/s (better then any ME ship, but highly unwieldy)
and it destroyed multiple cruisers.

Reapers won't have any problem taking down a CCS Battlecruiser.

How did it take them down then?

He
is quoting direct text... leave this point alone like as if you just
lost... argue the other ones because if you argue this you are saying
Bungie is incorrect.

You misunderstand me. I'm actually just curious how it did so.

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

111987 wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

This is a what if battle. Not a what if AU. If the Halo 2 era (height of power) Covenant fought against ME era reapers (height of power).

Listen a parasitic organizm crippled the Covenant... I dont deal in what ifs... If a case of sentient athleets foot devours your entire so called "Advanced" race you are not going to win against the Reapers.

PERIOD.

That is horrible logic. So, since the Forerunner lost to the Flood, the Reapers can beat the Forerunner?

Forerunner beat the Flood by killing all life other than microbes... including themselves. Bad analogy.

...what does that have to do with the question I asked? Would the Reapers beat the Forerunners?