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[Omega4RelayResident]

We were arguing the effects of indoctrination before 111987

[Kaiser Shepard]

The Forerunners would probably "beat" the Reapers the exact same way, destroying their sustenance and depending on how exactly they're built possibly the Reapers themselves as well.

Then again, there might not be a need for such a desperate measure against a finite enemy.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 13 septembre 2011 - 10:37 .

[Computer_God91]

Dreadwing 67 wrote...

Are we forgetting that if the Covenant were in the ME universe, likely they would fall into the same trap every other species have fallen into. They would have based their government in the citadel....boom, wiped out.

If not, the reapers would have wiped them out before they were able to create all these advanced weapons.

Bottom line, the Reapers Reap early to prevent a race like say the covenant.

That is the reapers advantage that has worked for Millions of years.

nope, I brought this up earlier but 111987 or whatever his name is said that was a bad arguement cause I was changing the parameters of the fight. Which I wasn't I was stating the the covenant would have been killed before they had the chance to know what a reaper was. Fight over, victory to the reapers. But no.

[Zakatak757]

ACTUALLY.

Hold on a minute here!

Nobody would win, because Truth would activate the 7 Rings and destroy the galaxy!

[Kaiser Shepard]

Zakatak757 wrote...

ACTUALLY.

Hold on a minute here!

Nobody would win, because Truth would activate the 7 Rings and destroy the galaxy!

Were it so easy.

[bobdooly]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Dreadwing 67 wrote...

Are we forgetting that if the Covenant were in the ME universe, likely they would fall into the same trap every other species have fallen into. They would have based their government in the citadel....boom, wiped out.

If not, the reapers would have wiped them out before they were able to create all these advanced weapons.

Bottom line, the Reapers Reap early to prevent a race like say the covenant.

That is the reapers advantage that has worked for Millions of years.

nope, I brought this up earlier but 111987 or whatever his name is said that was a bad arguement cause I was changing the parameters of the fight. Which I wasn't I was stating the the covenant would have been killed before they had the chance to know what a reaper was. Fight over, victory to the reapers. But no.

That's not a battle like the thread asks about, that's what would happen if the 2 universes were the same. 

[baman]

Either way, Reapers would likely win because of being able to use actual FTL instead of moving through exotic space. Unless objects in slipstream can interact with objects in physical space?

[bobdooly]

baman wrote...

Either way, Reapers would likely win because of being able to use actual FTL instead of moving through exotic space. Unless objects in slipstream can interact with objects in physical space?

Covenant destroy relay. Reapers take months to get to destination by their FTL, while Covenant takes days.

[baman]

bobdooly wrote...

Covenant destroy relay. Reapers take months to get to destination by their FTL, while Covenant takes days.

But They can't destroy all of them. And all the reapers would have to do is lure the majority of the covenant fleet into a specified position, then launch a planet sized object in FTL speed at them.
I am assuming that since they can travel from relay to relay, it will also be possible to use the relays as slingshots without a exit point.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Damnit you made me involve my professor...

"The weapons of the Covenant race described as they are, are way beyond the range of impossible. An electromagnetic field could only ecapsulate and hold plasma in a particular form if it could ionize the air molecules to such a degree that the air molecules created an impermeable screen of ionized air... not even the Sun can generate that much energy in order to harness plasma in such a field. In addition since there is no air in space and it is a vacuum the would be nothing to ionize to get the desired effect. The plasma would spread out into space upon being fired... more than likely melting the cannons that fired it."

"The Thanix Cannon concept is more plausible yet just as unlikely only due to the fact that where would one find the material needed to melt down enough alloys and metals to fire multiple shots. However a much less powerfull electromagnetic field would be required to hold molten metal in a specific form because it does NOT require the use of ionized air... still astronomically large. The cannon fireing the weapon would melt on this as well."

Professor declares the less implausible one the winner only because it is not absurdly impossible to achieve.

"Shields like those described in both ME and Halo are impossible. (Once again air and ionization is needed) So the question of shields is irrelavant especially when considering that both plasma and molten metal of that magnitude would easily destroy both forms of shields"

You happy? I think I pissed off my professor by bringing in theoretical physics into an applied physics lab. I think she might let it slide since we are talking about energy tranference and tinkering with the mathematical proprties and capabilities of thermite today.

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 13 septembre 2011 - 10:53 .

[bobdooly]

baman wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

Covenant destroy relay. Reapers take months to get to destination by their FTL, while Covenant takes days.

But They can't destroy all of them. And all the reapers would have to do is lure the majority of the covenant fleet into a specified position, then launch a planet sized object in FTL speed at them.
I am assuming that since they can travel from relay to relay, it will also be possible to use the relays as slingshots without a exit point.

I'd like to see how the Reapers launch a planet at FTL at anything. Or lure most of the Covenant armada of thousands of ships in one place, for that matter.

[baman]

bobdooly wrote...

I'd like to see how the Reapers launch a planet at FTL at anything. Or lure most of the Covenant armada of thousands of ships in one place, for that matter.

Well its all just a matter of powerful enough drive cores. The reapers have huge ones apparently, so just stick a hundred, a thousand or as many as is required onto a planet, wire it up with engines, remote control (or indoctrinated suicide crew) and launch it through a relay aimed at the target position. Hell, might as well make a preemtive attack on all the covenant worlds for that matter.

A possible easier option would be to merely lasso in a meteor, fit it with the needed equipment and launch that. Either way, it shouldn't be that hard, the Reapers have a lot of time on their hands I would think.

[Computer_God91]

bobdooly wrote...

That's not a battle like the thread asks about, that's what would happen if the 2 universes were the same. 

The posters aren't argueing what the thread is about. all the thread asks is who would win Reapers Vs. Covenant. No where does it say if there was a rip in the two universe and they fought who'd win in the middle of space. All it asks is who would win, I say the Reapers cause they control the Milky Way, which is where the Covenant are from. I am not wrong because of the fact that it doesn't specfically ask "who'd win in a fictional battle in the middle of space" it just asks who'd win.

I have even stated earier if that was the case (what everyone is argueing about) that the reapers would still win, through hacking, indoctrination, and repurposing the covenants troops against itself as husk. Also because of what everyone else that is Pro Reapers is saying.

CANNOT BE STOPPED

[111987]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Damnit you made me involve my professor...

"The weapons of the Covenant race described as they are, are way beyond the range of impossible. An electromagnetic field could only ecapsulate and hold plasma in a particular form if it could ionize the air molecules to such a degree that the air molecules created an impermeable screen of ionized air... not even the Sun can generate that much energy in order to harness plasma in such a field. In addition since there is no air in space and it is a vacuum the would be nothing to ionize to get the desired effect. The plasma would spread out into space upon being fired... more than likely melting the cannons that fired it."

"The Thanix Cannon concept is more plausible yet just as unlikely only due to the fact that where would one find the material needed to melt down enough alloys and metals to fire multiple shots. However a much less powerfull electromagnetic field would be required to hold molten metal in a specific form because it does NOT require the use of ionized air... still astronomically large. The cannon fireing the weapon would melt on this as well."

Professor declares the less implausible one the winner only because it is not absurdly impossible to achieve.

"Shields like those described in both ME and Halo are impossible. (Once again air and ionization is needed) So the question of shields is irrelavant especially when considering that both plasma and molten metal of that magnitude would easily destroy both forms of shields"

You happy? I think I pissed off my professor by bringing in theoretical physics into an applied physics lab. I think she might let it slide since we are talking about energy tranference and tinkering with the mathematical proprties and capabilities of thermite today.

Wow...you really brought this up in lab? I didn't realize it meant to much to you.

As I have said many times, this isn't a realism debate. This is a fight between the Covenant and Reapers, as presented in both games. In that context, Reapers lose hard.

[111987]

Computer_God91 wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

That's not a battle like the thread asks about, that's what would happen if the 2 universes were the same. 

The posters aren't argueing what the thread is about. all the thread asks is who would win Reapers Vs. Covenant. No where does it say if there was a rip in the two universe and they fought who'd win in the middle of space. All it asks is who would win, I say the Reapers cause they control the Milky Way, which is where the Covenant are from. I am not wrong because of the fact that it doesn't specfically ask "who'd win in a fictional battle in the middle of space" it just asks who'd win.

I have even stated earier if that was the case (what everyone is argueing about) that the reapers would still win, through hacking, indoctrination, and repurposing the covenants troops against itself as husk. Also because of what everyone else that is Pro Reapers is saying.

CANNOT BE STOPPED

Okay, wanna use that logic?

Then the Precursors didn't allow the Reapers to exist because they came before that. So Covenant wins.

[bobdooly]

Computer_God91 wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

That's not a battle like the thread asks about, that's what would happen if the 2 universes were the same. 

The posters aren't argueing what the thread is about. all the thread asks is who would win Reapers Vs. Covenant. No where does it say if there was a rip in the two universe and they fought who'd win in the middle of space. All it asks is who would win, I say the Reapers cause they control the Milky Way, which is where the Covenant are from. I am not wrong because of the fact that it doesn't specfically ask "who'd win in a fictional battle in the middle of space" it just asks who'd win.

I have even stated earier if that was the case (what everyone is argueing about) that the reapers would still win, through hacking, indoctrination, and repurposing the covenants troops against itself as husk. Also because of what everyone else that is Pro Reapers is saying.

CANNOT BE STOPPED

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[baman]

111987 wrote...

As I have said many times, this isn't a realism debate. This is a fight between the Covenant and Reapers, as presented in both games. In that context, Reapers lose hard.

Even with planet sized FTL projectiles? I seriously doubt the Covenant could muster anything against an attack of that magnitude. And if the first engagements show the Reapers they lack the required hitting power to hurt the Covenant with conventional weaponry, I'm sure their dastardly robot minds would be able to come up with a crude but effective plan like this.

[Omega4RelayResident]

111987 wrote...

Wow...you really brought this up in lab? I didn't realize it meant to much to you.

As I have said many times, this isn't a realism debate. This is a fight between the Covenant and Reapers, as presented in both games. In that context, Reapers lose hard.

Dude its your opinion! Not fact... It will become fact if Bungie and BioWare sit down and talk about it.

Marvel and DC arguments lasted until they did a crossover comic series...

Superman beat Captain Marvel

Wolverine beat Lobo

Hulk beat literally everyone until the Invisible Woman reappeared and created a telekinetic bubble in the Hulk's throat causing him to choke...

These arguments are nothing but Nerd-gasms until Bungie and BioWare sit down to answer the debate...

For example I think the Flood could beat the Reapes only because the Flood would infect the organic material inside of the Reapers to create a Flood-Reaper hybrid which would be under the control of the Gravemind...... BUT MY ASSERTION DOESNT MAKE ME RIGHT!

In my mind your argument is as thin as paper.... bottom line.... in my mind. A lot of other people agree with the Reaper side. A smaller amount agrees with the Covenant side. Lets leave it at that... or you can make a poll and see how the voting turns out.

[111987]

baman wrote...

111987 wrote...

As I have said many times, this isn't a realism debate. This is a fight between the Covenant and Reapers, as presented in both games. In that context, Reapers lose hard.

Even with planet sized FTL projectiles? I seriously doubt the Covenant could muster anything against an attack of that magnitude. And if the first engagements show the Reapers they lack the required hitting power to hurt the Covenant with conventional weaponry, I'm sure their dastardly robot minds would be able to come up with a crude but effective plan like this.

Where on earth did this planet idea come from? There's so much wrong with it I don't even know where to start

I'll just say this; accuracy will make this impossible.

[bobdooly]

baman wrote...

111987 wrote...

As I have said many times, this isn't a realism debate. This is a fight between the Covenant and Reapers, as presented in both games. In that context, Reapers lose hard.

Even with planet sized FTL projectiles? I seriously doubt the Covenant could muster anything against an attack of that magnitude. And if the first engagements show the Reapers they lack the required hitting power to hurt the Covenant with conventional weaponry, I'm sure their dastardly robot minds would be able to come up with a crude but effective plan like this.

We can make up weapons for the sides now? Well, I say that the Covenant made the Death Star.

[green_lemur]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

111987 wrote...

Wow...you really brought this up in lab? I didn't realize it meant to much to you.

As I have said many times, this isn't a realism debate. This is a fight between the Covenant and Reapers, as presented in both games. In that context, Reapers lose hard.

Dude its your opinion! Not fact... It will become fact if Bungie and BioWare sit down and talk about it.

Marvel and DC arguments lasted until they did a crossover comic series...

Superman beat Captain Marvel

Wolverine beat Lobo

Hulk beat literally everyone until the Invisible Woman reappeared and created a telekinetic bubble in the Hulk's throat causing him to choke...

These arguments are nothing but Nerd-gasms until Bungie and BioWare sit down to answer the debate...

For example I think the Flood could beat the Reapes only because the Flood would infect the organic material inside of the Reapers to create a Flood-Reaper hybrid which would be under the control of the Gravemind...... BUT MY ASSERTION DOESNT MAKE ME RIGHT!

In my mind your argument is as thin as paper.... bottom line.... in my mind. A lot of other people agree with the Reaper side. A smaller amount agrees with the Covenant side. Lets leave it at that... or you can make a poll and see how the voting turns out.

a halo mass effect crossover!!!!! *fapfapfap*

[111987]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

111987 wrote...

Wow...you really brought this up in lab? I didn't realize it meant to much to you.

As I have said many times, this isn't a realism debate. This is a fight between the Covenant and Reapers, as presented in both games. In that context, Reapers lose hard.

Dude its your opinion! Not fact... It will become fact if Bungie and BioWare sit down and talk about it.

Marvel and DC arguments lasted until they did a crossover comic series...

Superman beat Captain Marvel

Wolverine beat Lobo

Hulk beat literally everyone until the Invisible Woman reappeared and created a telekinetic bubble in the Hulk's throat causing him to choke...

These arguments are nothing but Nerd-gasms until Bungie and BioWare sit down to answer the debate...

For example I think the Flood could beat the Reapes only because the Flood would infect the organic material inside of the Reapers to create a Flood-Reaper hybrid which would be under the control of the Gravemind...... BUT MY ASSERTION DOESNT MAKE ME RIGHT!

In my mind your argument is as thin as paper.... bottom line.... in my mind. A lot of other people agree with the Reaper side. A smaller amount agrees with the Covenant side. Lets leave it at that... or you can make a poll and see how the voting turns out.

Nah, it is a fact. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Check out some of the bungie forums; those guys all support Halo and know a lot more about the Covenant than I do. Now be a good boy and stop distracting your physics class with video game debates that you know you've lost

[Omega4RelayResident]

bobdooly wrote...

baman wrote...

111987 wrote...

As I have said many times, this isn't a realism debate. This is a fight between the Covenant and Reapers, as presented in both games. In that context, Reapers lose hard.

Even with planet sized FTL projectiles? I seriously doubt the Covenant could muster anything against an attack of that magnitude. And if the first engagements show the Reapers they lack the required hitting power to hurt the Covenant with conventional weaponry, I'm sure their dastardly robot minds would be able to come up with a crude but effective plan like this.

We can make up weapons for the sides now? Well, I say that the Covenant made the Death Star.

You Fail.... HAHAHAHAHA

[DaringMoosejaw]

111987 wrote...

Nah, it is a fact. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Check out some of the bungie forums; those guys all support Halo and know a lot more about the Covenant than I do. Now be a good boy and stop distracting your physics class with video game debates that you know you've lost

It's not fact at all! It is all fiction! ABOUT A WORK OF FICTION! How does one writer thinking up bigger numbers than another writer amount to much of anything at all?

[baman]

bobdooly wrote...

We can make up weapons for the sides now? Well, I say that the Covenant made the Death Star.

Derp, this is just a potential utilization of the technology the reapers already posses. It's really not that hard to imagine, the mass relays as they appear in the games seem easily convertible to doomsday FTL projectile weapons.

111987 wrote...

I'll just say this; accuracy will make this impossible.

Oh really? Then explain how the mass relays allow a ship to travel accurately in the first place. And if they can accurately transport a ship, why not a planet? It only require more power, and once it's there, it's not so much about hitting the designated target as simply smashing through anything in it's path.
And a indoctrinated suicide fleet could reliable bog down the Covenant fleet in a targeted position long enough for this to fire I'm sure.