Dave of Canada wrote...
I'm still not a fan of the standard villain pose they've given The Illusive Man, it seems far too much... twirling moustache villain?
In addition to that, there's no cigarette or glass of alcohol!
Modifié par Dave of Canada, 14 septembre 2011 - 07:21 .
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Xilizhra wrote...
Well, they're the aggressors.ee, this remark about the rest of the galaxy being more numerous than humanity is what bugs me. Suppose the Reapers are more numerous than the rest of the galaxy. Is it okay to destroy the galaxy to let the Reapers live, then?
Irrelevant. What I'm fighting for is all of the people who exist now, of all species.Then there are people out there who claim that they're fighting for organic life as a whole. That's just laughable. Organic life is not threatened in the slightest. The Reapers will harvest it, and the next cycle, organic life will develop again. It's eternal. It's like fighting for the wheat when the harvester comes. New one will grow. New ones always grow. The Reapers will never want it to end.
This has nothing to do with morality. It's called the sunk cost fallacy; the fact that you've already lost X on Y doesn't make Y more valuable, it just means that X is gone.Then I have to make the same choice between humanity and turians. This choice has more morality to it. If I pick the turians, it means the asari who died to save humanity died in vain. So I choose humanity again. Thus, using the iteration, I go through the entire galaxy and choose humanity every time.
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Kaiser Shepard wrote...
I love you. <3Seboist wrote...
Kaiser Shepard wrote...
There was nothing morally reprehensible about killing the Thorian, rachni or Collectors.
The Thorian was minding it's own business until Exogeni and Saren started disturbing and pissing it off. Then Shepard and his gang of thugs brutally murdered the poor plant in it's own home.
Shepard as an alien aggressor. Him and his gang brutally murdering the poor plant in its own home. I didn't laugh that much in days.GodWood wrote...
To clarify.
If he looked slightly less ridiculous I'd hate it for looking ridiculous.
However the fact that it's so over the top ridiculous is what makes it ok.
Yeah I don't get it either...
Modifié par laecraft, 14 septembre 2011 - 08:35 .
ladyvader wrote...
Then explain why Cerberus is trying to stop
Shepard from rescuing the fertile Krogan female on Sur'Kash? If TIM
actually believes what he says. He reminds me of a used car salemans.
He will say anything and everything to get Shepard to buy into what he
is selling. My Shepard is smart enough to not trust him.
Seboist wrote...
Hopefully Shisk made it out in time...
leonia42 wrote...
If what I think just happened, I can totally hear Garrus going "TIM blew up Omega? He can't be all that bad.."
What did you have in mind?Chewin3 wrote...
There's more imortant things to do for her than runninf around and beating up Cerberus troops (well at least she would get revenge on beating them, but still).
Modifié par who would know, 14 septembre 2011 - 11:12 .
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ladyvader wrote...
Then explain why Cerberus is trying to stop Shepard from rescuing the fertile Krogan female on Sur'Kash? If TIM actually believes what he says. He reminds me of a used car salemans. He will say anything and everything to get Shepard to buy into what he is selling. My Shepard is smart enough to not trust him.Saphra Deden wrote...
Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Er, what? I don't remember coming across any notes of his in ME2.
The mission summaries talk about needing quarian forces in the Reaper conflict, about the possible usefulness of krogan shocktroops, and the need for vorcha informents to spie on the krogan.
Lizardviking wrote...
Seboist wrote...
Hopefully Shisk made it out in time...
Don't worry. If Shisk knows Gavorn´s tricks, he knows how to get out of Omega in time.
I'm sure he's all right. He knows exactly when to leave. And Aria made it out in time. She's on a ship departing from Omega on that picture, isn't she? So other people have all the chances.Modifié par laecraft, 14 septembre 2011 - 11:31 .
We do have an alliance, it's called the Council.Today's neutrals are tomorrow's aggressors. Unless we forged an alliance with them, they owe us nothing. It makes absolutely no sense to kill your own people for them, unless it's a part of your agenda to promote your species. It's highly unnatural.
Actually, I don't think so. Each Reaper is made up from the material of a species, but I don't believe the species' identity or mentality survives; we do know that Sovereign referred to itself with the first person singular, "I am Sovereign." I think each Reaper is a new mind.Fighting for all of the people who exist now, of all species - do you mean, the Reapers included? Because they're species too, because they can feel pain too, and every time you kill a Reaper you destroy a species. You commit genocide. Each of them is a nation. You know how they're born.
Only because your situation was poorly phrased and implied that we'd tried everything else and that there was no other way.Trying to protect all the species - this is just hubris. Your efforts are going to be too dispersed. You can't save everyone in the galaxy. You can't even save humanity. You threw them away in an instant in my hypothetical situation. The battle wasn't even lost yet. No second thoughts, no hesitations - not even an attempt to ask that scientist to run his tests again.
But they'll want someone who fights for all species more than they would someone fighting for a different species alone.I bet the asari are praying to the stars that Paragon-galaxy-protector is never put in charge of their fate, because he'd sacrifice the asari to save the rest of the galaxy, and the asari would rather have someone pro-asari to decide their fate. Not a single species will want someone who fights for "all the species" in charge of making decisions during that war.
So my allegiance is automatically owed to something so abstract? Over many more lives? I think not.This has everything to do with morality. It's the very reason why people think TIM is so evil - for putting his own species first! Personally, I think it's the act of an ultimate treason for a human to sacrifice humanity, under any circumstances, while you owe your very life to the Earth, and humanity's branch of evolution is the very reason why you even have a mind to make decisions and fingers to press that button to nuke the Earth. If not for humanity, you wouldn't even exist in the first place.
Plenty of people are pro-human, don't worry.Someone has to be pro-human, for the balance. The aliens aren't going to put humanity first. The Council isn't going to put humanity first. If humans don't put humanity first either, then humanity is as good as gone - and good riddance.
I don't think that was in the Terminus Systems. If it was, the quarians would only be taking territory away from potential Terminus governments and they wouldn't care; heck, they might enjoy watching the show.Look what they did (and continue to do) to the Quarians. Even when they did find a suitable alternate world, the Council was more than willing to "invade" the Terminus systems to kick them off. As opposed to going to Illos or helping the human colonies, because, you know, the Council operating in the Terminus Systems would be seen as an act of war.
BlueMagitek wrote...
Don't think for a second that any of the Council species wouldn't throw humanity under a bus (or, Reaper, in this case) in order to save their own.
who would know wrote...
What did you have in mind?
Xilizhra wrote...
I don't think that was in the Terminus Systems. If it was, the quarians would only be taking territory away from potential Terminus governments and they wouldn't care; heck, they might enjoy watching the show.Look what they did (and continue to do) to the Quarians. Even when they did find a suitable alternate world, the Council was more than willing to "invade" the Terminus systems to kick them off. As opposed to going to Illos or helping the human colonies, because, you know, the Council operating in the Terminus Systems would be seen as an act of war.
leonia42wrote
But it's ok for humans to have this same attitude?
It's like
Nihlus says at the start of ME1.. not everyone distrusts humanity and
some are willing to give them a chance. Don't write off all aliens just
because the Councillors themselves aren't exactly proactive. Much of
Shepard's team in both games is comprised of non-humans who are more
than happy to work with a mostly human crew against the Reaper threat.
The quarians don't have a good chance of starting a galactic war.According to the Wiki, Ekuna (the planet in question) is located in the Phoenix Massing Nebula, which is right next to the Veil where the Geth belong (heck, the Heretic Station is within the nebula itself). I'd call it the fringe of Council Space, but considering how often the Council cries about not wanting to seem intimidating, they didn't spare any time threatening to destroy the Quarian colony there before they handed it to the Elcor.
Meh, they should've just stood their ground that time.Xilizhra wrote...
The quarians don't have a good chance of starting a galactic war.According to the Wiki, Ekuna (the planet in question) is located in the Phoenix Massing Nebula, which is right next to the Veil where the Geth belong (heck, the Heretic Station is within the nebula itself). I'd call it the fringe of Council Space, but considering how often the Council cries about not wanting to seem intimidating, they didn't spare any time threatening to destroy the Quarian colony there before they handed it to the Elcor.
Xilizhra wrote...
The quarians don't have a good chance of starting a galactic war.According to the Wiki, Ekuna (the planet in question) is located in the Phoenix Massing Nebula, which is right next to the Veil where the Geth belong (heck, the Heretic Station is within the nebula itself). I'd call it the fringe of Council Space, but considering how often the Council cries about not wanting to seem intimidating, they didn't spare any time threatening to destroy the Quarian colony there before they handed it to the Elcor.
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