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[King Minos]

There is one and only one rule, don't **** with Humanity.

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Tell that to Cpl Toombs and David Archer. 

Toombs is a blubbering, mentally deficient crazy person who belongs in protective care for his own safety as well as the safety of others.

Archer understood the needs of humanity well.

Sometimes for the greater whole to flourish the individual must make sacrifices.

Like the entire galaxy, apparently.

TIM fights primarily for a smaller whole, not the greater whole.

[S Seraff]

Aria would be a great squad member

[Isaidlunch]

TIM in typical mustache twirling villain pose? If that doesn't say "We're turning this guy completely evil and there's nothing you can do about it" then I don't know what does.

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Like the entire galaxy, apparently.

TIM fights primarily for a smaller whole, not the greater whole.

He fights for the only whole that matters.

Then I'll be glad to see whether it's my whole or his who stands last.

[ladyvader]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Tell that to Cpl Toombs and David Archer. 

Toombs is a blubbering, mentally deficient crazy person who belongs in protective care for his own safety as well as the safety of others.

Archer understood the needs of humanity well.

Sometimes for the greater whole to flourish the individual must make sacrifices.

David has autism, your thinking of his brother Dr. Gavin Archer  Big difference there.  David couldn't say no.  Sole Survivor Shepard was on Akuze too, or did you forget that? 

You don't sacrifice innocent people and say someone has principles.  

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Then I'll be glad to see whether it's my whole or his who stands last.

Meanwhile humanity will stand not last, but triumphant.

Triumphant in union with all others.

[ladyvader]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

David has autism, your thinking of his brother Dr. Gavin Archer  Big difference there.

Oh, that's true. Well, David doesn't understand much of anything in any particularly complex way, especially not something like sacrifice or species. He's more useful to humanity, doing more good, now than he ever was before.

Seeing David with those tubes down his throat screaming "Make it stop" the whole time was the last straw for me.

And what kind of sick twisted person does that to a family member?  Please.  David never once stayed in Archer's care.  Even my renegade Shep pistol whipped him. 

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Seeing David with those tubes down his throat screaming "Make it stop" the whole time was the last straw for me.

You are driven by emotion. I understand that. I, however, aspire to push my emotions to the side for the benefit of others and myself. That emotional reaction in you, that burning pit in your stomach, that righteous fury when you saw David, is something to be kept in check like a pet dog. You are the master, not the dog.

What we want or need and what we feel aren't always in agreement.

I was horrified to see David like that too. I wanted to set him free. Just as I wanted to set the rachni queen free. However I understood that it was my responsibility to do not what I wanted, but what needed to be done.

And then, after seeing the actual results of your actions, realize that none of it was actually necessary.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Seboist wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

TIM, sorry buddy, humanity can NOT do this alone.  Nor should they.  The Reapers are going after everyone not just humanity.  Something TIM fails to grasp.

TIM discusses needing the Quarians,Vorcha,Geth and Krogan in his notes in ME2.

Er, what? I don't remember coming across any notes of his in ME2.

Seboist wrote...

Hopefully Shisk made it out in time...

Made me laugh. 

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 13 septembre 2011 - 11:27 .

[ladyvader]

My Shepard is driven by her duty to do what is right. She didn't want to work with Cerberus, but felt at that time it was the right thing for the colonist to stop the Collectors. If sje had a choice, she would have to told TIM to stuff it at the beginning of ME2 and not dealt with Cerberus at all. She saw what they did when she was going after Saren and didn't agree with any of that.

But we were not given that choice, so she did what she thought was the right thing. Stopping that crap that Archer was doing was the right thing. You don't agree and that's fine with me.

Trying to dominate other species is NOT the right thing. And my Shepard understands this. It's also one of the reason some of her closest friends are aliens and not humans. TIM thinks he knows what is best for humanity, but trying to dominate other species is not in humanity's best interest.

All the species need to work together or they will all die alone. Another thing TIM fails to grasp.

Modifié par ladyvader, 13 septembre 2011 - 11:29 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Sh*t, a debate?

This thread isn't fun anymore.

[ladyvader]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Er, what? I don't remember coming across any notes of his in ME2.

The mission summaries talk about needing quarian forces in the Reaper conflict, about the possible usefulness of krogan shocktroops, and the need for vorcha informents to spie on the krogan.

Then explain why Cerberus is trying to stop Shepard from rescuing the fertile Krogan female on Sur'Kash?  If TIM actually believes what he says.  He reminds me of a used car salemans.  He will say anything and everything to get Shepard to buy into what he is selling.  My Shepard is smart enough to not trust him.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Er, what? I don't remember coming across any notes of his in ME2.

The mission summaries talk about needing quarian forces in the Reaper conflict, about the possible usefulness of krogan shocktroops, and the need for vorcha informents to spie on the krogan.

Oh, those!

[TheMarshal]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

And then, after seeing the actual results of your actions, realize that none of it was actually necessary.

Meta-gaming.

I'd rather prevent the worse possible outcome and also prevent the best possible outcome, than allow the worst possibility even a chance to come to fruition.

It is possible that if I play a game of soccer in a field that contains a single landmine that I'll win and all will be well, but I also might step on the land mine.

Would you play that game of soccer? Would you let your children play that game of soccer? There's only ONE landmine.

Wow, THAT'S a set of balanced options if I've ever seen one.  Soccer?  Or DEATH!!

Where's my eye-roll-y emoticon?

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

And then, after seeing the actual results of your actions, realize that none of it was actually necessary.

Meta-gaming.

I'd rather prevent the worse possible outcome and also prevent the best possible outcome, than allow the worst possibility even a chance to come to fruition.

It is possible that if I play a game of soccer in a field that contains a single landmine that I'll win and all will be well, but I also might step on the land mine.

Would you play that game of soccer? Would you let your children play that game of soccer? There's only ONE landmine.

Reasonable, but it many cases, the worst-case scenario's odds are so low that worrying about it is comparable to never leaving your house in case of getting hit by a car. The history of the Rachni Wars is vague and seems barely applicable to the current queen unless you want to assume that every member of every species will act alike, Sovereign was already screwed out of his plan to open the Citadel relay before the Destiny Ascension decision came up, and the vast majority of geth aren't hostile.