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[ladyvader]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Then explain why Cerberus is trying to stop Shepard from rescuing the fertile Krogan female on Sur'Kash?

Currently there is no explanation but clearly Cerberus actions in ME3 as we have so far seen them are in complete contradiction with their actions and plans as they were laid out in ME2.

We'll find out come March because BW won't say now.  

In your veiw, I don't see it that way.  I see it as TIM just wanted the Collector base.  Even Miranda which I would say is one of his top agents told him to stuff it.

Like Shepard said then.  What is stopping you from creating your own Reaper?  

TIM was never to be trusted and I find it amazing that people actually do.  He lied to Shepard more than once.  You were right about one thing.  TIM spent billions on a tool  That is all Shepard is to TIM a tool to be used then thrown away.  Why people don't understand why TIM would want to kill Shepard makes me laugh.  Shepard was an asset, even Miranda says so and assets are used and toss aside when they are no longer useful.

I can't wait to confront the d-bag.  He won't live long if I get my way.

[Kaiser Shepard]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Sh*t, a debate?

This thread isn't fun anymore.

Are you kidding me? Stuff like this is why I come to BSN in the first place...

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 13 septembre 2011 - 11:39 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Are you kidding me? Stuff like this is why I come to BSN in the first place...

I need to be in a certain mood to pick fights on the internet.  As of now, participating in a debate sounds about as fun as running a marathon through a desert.

[Bad King]

TIM: 1
Aria: 0

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Reasonable, but it many cases, the worst-case scenario's odds are so low that worrying about it is comparable to never leaving your house in case of getting hit by a car.

I agree, but this isn't one of those cases. We are already at war with the geth. We have seen war with the rachni and we have seen what the rachni can do to a complex and secure research outpost(s).

What is the worst case scenario, that the queen starts an interstellar war a few decades or centuries from now?

How likely is that?

What about this, what if another bad scenario, even if it isn't the worst one, is just that she unleashes her offspring on Noveria and escapes in the confusion, destroying the colony? You'll have lost a great research and development base. Many great minds and lots of wealth will be lost, as well as hundreds of thousands of lives.

Is it still worth it to release the queen?

The circumstances are utterly different. The Wars were started by us trespassing in rachni territory, and were characterized by being unable to communicate with them. Neither holds true now. I don't believe I can deem the risk to be sufficient to take action that drastic.

[TheMarshal]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Mm hmm. Would you play the game? If you survive you get 100 million dollars (or some other currency if you prefer).

No wait, you aren't playing. You son or daughter is playing. Or your favorite nephew. Or if you are altruistic as you probably like to believe you are then it is just some other kid. Maybe even a foreign kid. If the kid survives the game (well, actuallly there are multiple kids, aren't there?). If the game is run to its end and the mine never injures anyone then you win 100 million dollars.

Or you can choose to have the mine removed so the kids can play without risk of death but all you get is a warm feeling.

So the situation you're proposing is sending someone else in to risk their life so that I can reap the reward?

You understand that's the very thing I'm accusing TIM of?

"A calculated risk..."

::eyeroll::

[Bad King]

Seboist wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

TIM, sorry buddy, humanity can NOT do this alone.  Nor should they.  The Reapers are going after everyone not just humanity.  Something TIM fails to grasp.

TIM discusses needing the Quarians,Vorcha,Geth and Krogan in his notes in ME2.

Yeah, he advocates pushing for peace between the quarians and geth and he supports curing the genophage.

[Kaiser Shepard]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Are you kidding me? Stuff like this is why I come to BSN in the first place...

I need to be in a certain mood to pick fights on the internet.  As of now, participating in a debate sounds about as fun as running a marathon through a desert.

A desert with a mine buried in it?

But seriously, aside from ****ing and moaning about every little aspect of game X, debates like these are arguably the best part of any BioWare game.

[ladyvader]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

 I see it as TIM just wanted the Collector base.  Even Miranda which I would say is one of his top agents told him to stuff it.

That's called ****ty writing. I am quite gratified to see that you are incapable of spotting it.

Spotting it and caring about it are two different things.  I'm going for the ride that the writers are giving us.  Instead of ****ing about it.  There is bad writing every where in ME2.  I don't feel the need to go off about it and make excuses for things I don't like.  It is what it is.  What is said and done in game in canon.  You can head-canon it different if you want.  That's fine.  But don't act  like your head-canon is actual canon.  It is not and neither is mine

Guess you missed what Miranda actually said to TIM at that point.  "After seeing what went on here, keeping it would be an act of betrayal."  TIM didn't see what was going on.  He just got a report from EDI.  Seeing what was going on and reading about it are two very different things.  TIM didn't care about the colonist, all he care about was the base.  Nothing more nothing less.  Even a NON-loyal Miranda says the same thing.

Cerberus was an enemy in ME1 and again in ME3.  That is something YOU will have to deal with.  

Modifié par ladyvader, 13 septembre 2011 - 11:50 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Nobody is keeping you here and you aren't adding anything to the discussion. It's like you are trolling or something.

Any thoughts on TIM, Aria, and/or Invasion you'd like to share?

If not, then, well... the door.

y u so grumpy all the time, homie?

I appreciate your devotion to thread quality, but really, my only thoughts on this issue are: "Hey, looks interesting.  Can't wait to read the summary online."

That and TIM looks funny on the cover.  It's an improvement on the desperate boobie grab, at least:



I really shouldn't knock artists that are better than me, but still, I giggled.

[Xilizhra]

There is no reason the rachni could not have communicted thousands of years ago the way they do now.

I daresay Sovereign felt the rachni had no need to talk to their enemies. Certainly there's no records of any communication being made with them.

Never mind that though. That has little to do with the queen. We do not kill her because of her nature. We do not know her nature. We only know her capabilities, and they are awesome and dangerous. Too dangerous to be turned loose.

Well, being turned loose isn't optimal, but neither was the situation. Her offhand death based solely on her capabilities was both unacceptable and unnecessary.

Yes, every time Paragon Shepard lets a terrorist go free or a galaxy eating sentient starship, or blows up our best chance to understand and defeat our enemy, she is risking the lives of others to satisfy her own consience.

And you don't think that any of it at all is for the benefit of the beneficaries of those actions?

Modifié par Xilizhra, 13 septembre 2011 - 11:54 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
A desert with a mine buried in it?

But seriously, aside from ****ing and moaning about every little aspect of game X, debates like these are arguably the best part of any BioWare game.

Maybe.  My favorite part about the forums is when I read something that makes me realize something I hadn't noticed before.  Sometimes, I can get that from a debate, but I'd rather skip the animosity that usually comes with it.

[Bad King]

ladyvader wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

 I see it as TIM just wanted the Collector base.  Even Miranda which I would say is one of his top agents told him to stuff it.

That's called ****ty writing. I am quite gratified to see that you are incapable of spotting it.

Spotting it and caring about it are two different things.  I'm going for the ride that the writers are giving us.  Instead of ****ing about it.  There is bad writing every where in ME2.  I don't feel the need to go off about it and make excuses for things I don't like.  It is what it is.  What is said and done in game in canon.  You can head-canon it different if you want.  That's fine.  But don't act  like your head-canon is actual canon.  It is not and neither is mine

Guess you missed what Miranda actually said to TIM at that point.  "After seeing what went on here, keeping it would be an act of betrayal."  TIM didn't see what was going on.  He just got a report from EDI.  Seeing what was going on and reading about it are two very different things.  TIM didn't care about the colonist, all he care about was the base.  Nothing more nothing less.  Even a NON-loyal Miranda says the same thing.

Cerberus was an enemy in ME1 and again in ME3.  That is something YOU will have to deal with.  

TIM was concerned with more than just the collector base in ME2. For example, in the mission complete reports his support for curing the genophage (so that the Krogan are more willing to fight the reapers) is revealed as well as his support for peace between the quarians and geth.

Also, whether he cared or not about the colonists is impossible to judge (we know very little about TIM's motives). Saying that, he still seems to regard the end of Mass Effect 2 as a victory even if the collector base was destroyed, and Cerberus funnel money and aid to Horizon through their front companies following the collector attack.

Modifié par Bad King, 13 septembre 2011 - 11:59 .

[TheMarshal]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yes, every time Paragon Shepard lets a terrorist go free or a galaxy eating sentient starship, or blows up our best chance to understand and defeat our enemy, she is risking the lives of others to satisfy her own consience.

TIM, or President Obama, or a General, does not risk lives for their own well being, but for the wellbeing of greater causes. You know, things like an entire species, or an army, or a nation.

If you think the President would be a better President if in addition to being President he had serve as a foot soldier full time then you need to grow up. We keep our leaders away from the battlefield because it helps them to better lead. Leaders have no place at the head of an army where they may be killed and all of their carefully laid strategies squandered by a stray bullet or missile.

Grow up.

Do you think Admiral Hackett sat in an office somewhere on Arcturus Station while the 5th Fleet attacked Sovereign?  How much do you think the bullet that hit Cpt. Anderson hurt when he was lifting the lockdown on the Normandy?

How full of scotch was TIM's glass when he sent Shepard blind into a situation he knew could prove fatal with the "disabled" collector ship?  How comfortable was his chair when was ordering Shepard to preserve the collector base?

Plenty of people - both in this world and in the Mass Effect universe - are willing to put their own asses on the line for what they believe in, not just others.

I'm fine debating this issue with you, but cut it out with the personal attacks or you're gonna get reported.