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[Ophiskc]

I guess some people think that making personal attacks make them look intelligent on the internetz

[Xilizhra]

Regarding Sovereign there is zero evidence that he had anything to do with it. Or any Reaper. In fact what little evidence there is indicates he was totally uninvolved because if he had been he'd have known where to find the Mu relay.

We shall see. Though I think ME2 made it fairly clear.

It was not unacceptable nor was it unnecessary considering the choices presented. It was... undersirable because as you said it was not an optimal situation. I'd have preferred to just keep her in contaiment and let the Council deal with it. (I'm sure they'd be thrilled)

However if I must choose to set loose friendly smallpox or eradicate friendly smallpox I will eradicate it. The dangers are just too great. It is a tragedy, because it might have been guinely friendly smallpox, but I won't risk unleashing smallpox on the world again.

Then I shall simply be thankful that she did turn out to be friendly.

Nope. Paragon Shepard too often thinks about only himself in the conext of his major decisions.

Well, there's "you'll go free," right in the context of the rachni decision, and she later says "This queen is different" and suchlike to the Council and Udina. So... erm, less than accurate.

Aww, were your feelings hurt? Your views on this matter are childish and I'm going to keep calling them such.

Less than necessary. You're fun to debate with, but this is a different story.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 14 septembre 2011 - 12:12 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Saphra Deden wrote...

What good does it do anybody for TIM to board the Normandy for the Omega relay trip?

It allows Shep to kill two birds with one stone, pardon the metaphor.

[BlueMagitek]

Omega's gone? I'm sorry for the innocent people on it, but that place was pretty awful. >_>

[TheMarshal]

Saphra Deden wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Do you think Admiral Hackett sat in an office somewhere on Arcturus Station while the 5th Fleet attacked Sovereign?

No, why would he? He's the Admiral of the fifth fleet and Admirals tend to lead fleets into battle. He still sends other people to die for him all the time. It's his goddamn job. 

TheMarshal wrote...

How full of scotch was TIM's glass when he sent Shepard blind into a situation he knew could prove fatal with the "disabled" collector ship?  How comfortable was his chair when was ordering Shepard to preserve the collector base?

Why does it matter how comfortable he was? You think he sat on his ass all damn game? He's a manager, he manages things. He is no longer a soldier. He can't do both at the same time, he is just one man. You only had targets to go after because TIM provided you with the information, information he had painstakingly collected through his contacts and designated research.

What good does it do anybody for TIM to board the Normandy for the Omega relay trip?

TheMarshal wrote...

I'm fine debating this issue with you, but cut it out with the personal attacks or you're gonna get reported.

Aww, were your feelings hurt? Your views on this matter are childish and I'm going to keep calling them such.

So is there a certain rank that one must obtain before they become too important to risk their life in battle?  I figured Admiral was pretty far up there, but maybe I'm wrong.  President, maybe?  Of course, in the ME3 demo we see Councilor Anderson sticking around on Earth to help the fight against the Reapers.  Though maybe in that demo he was merely a retired Captain.  I'm sure in either event, Councilor/Ambassador Udina would have made sure he got himself on the first shuttle off-world.  Managers gotta manage, right?

[TheMarshal]

Saphra Deden wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

...in the ME3 demo we see Councilor Anderson sticking around on Earth to help the fight against the Reapers.

He's not a Councilor and probably not even a member of the Systems Alliance. The only thing keeping him out of prison is his fame.

He's not?  Huh...  Could have sworn in my game he was still a Councilor.  I mean my Shepard named him Councilor.  He was part of the Council in ME2.  I suppose it's possible that in ME3 he'll be not a Councilor anymore.

[Xilizhra]

How so? The messenger says the Reapers influenced the rachni. That's your proof? Her word? I just presented you with a problem you must solve for the Reaper controlled rachni theory to be credible. Do so or admit that there is no evidence to date that the Reapers ever influenced the rachni.

The supernova occurred after the rachni were indoctrinated, and Sovereign had gone back to sleep before then.

Shepard is trying to convince the Council he's not naive idiot. It's all about him.

What evidence would you need to convince you that Shepard wasn't being selfish?

Modifié par Xilizhra, 14 septembre 2011 - 12:40 .

[TheMarshal]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Retribution made him not Councilor anymore. He was Councilor during ME2, but Retribution and ME3 are both after ME2 (go figure). He's not a Councilor and I doubt he's an officer in the SA because he betrayed the SA. I wouldn't be surprised if he was discharged, "honorably", but with all his pensions reduced. He'll get a high school named after him and maybe a community college, but no military academies or great universities.

Never read Retribution.  Is it any good?  I'm about to start a new job where I'll have an hour+ commute by train each way, so I figure I should pick up a book or two.

Maybe it'll show off some of TIM's principles! 

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Ugh, not Omega It was my favorite location in ME2. Why couldn't they just take the boring Citadel?

[ladyvader]

laecraft wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, TIM's the villain, and the only way I would do it is if not doing it meant that some other place was destroyed.

Who's to say TIM isn't destroying/taking over Omega for "the greatest possible good", as you put it in the other thread?

Greater good for whom?  The galaxy as a whole or just humanity?  Because if it's the latter than no, it's not for the greater good.  It's to stroke his over inflated ego.

Do you believe that the rest of the galaxy is more important than humanity?

Humanity is part of the whole.  All are important in their own way.  Trying to be a bully is not in humanity's best interest.  If it wasn't for the Council and the asari, the turians would have done some serious damage to humanity.  But they got involved and stopped the war before it truly began.

No one piece is more important than the other pieces.  That is something Cerberus and TIM fail to understand.

[Xilizhra]

laecraft wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, TIM's the villain, and the only way I would do it is if not doing it meant that some other place was destroyed.

Who's to say TIM isn't destroying/taking over Omega for "the greatest possible good", as you put it in the other thread?

Greater good for whom?  The galaxy as a whole or just humanity?  Because if it's the latter than no, it's not for the greater good.  It's to stroke his over inflated ego.

Do you believe that the rest of the galaxy is more important than humanity?

Since "the rest of the galaxy" has a higher population than "humanity," yes.

[TheMarshal]

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

Ugh, not Omega It was my favorite location in ME2. Why couldn't they just take the boring Citadel?

So long as the DJs from Afterlife made it out, I think I'll be okay.

It renders one of my fics AU, but I'll just have to deal with it!

[Dave of Canada]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Omega's gone? I'm sorry for the innocent people on it, but that place was pretty awful. >_>

In other words, you're not sorry for anybody.

[Kaiser Shepard]

TheMarshal wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Retribution made him not Councilor anymore. He was Councilor during ME2, but Retribution and ME3 are both after ME2 (go figure). He's not a Councilor and I doubt he's an officer in the SA because he betrayed the SA. I wouldn't be surprised if he was discharged, "honorably", but with all his pensions reduced. He'll get a high school named after him and maybe a community college, but no military academies or great universities.

Never read Retribution.  Is it any good?  I'm about to start a new job where I'll have an hour+ commute by train each way, so I figure I should pick up a book or two.

Maybe it'll show off some of TIM's principles! 

As far as novels based on videogames go, the Mass Effect ones are about as good as it gets. I'd start with Revelation and Ascension if I were you, though; even though the first novel, Revelation, isn't as good as the other two, it still introduces a fairly important character. Same goes for Ascension, except that it introduces multiple ones and is almost directly continued by Retribition.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 14 septembre 2011 - 12:51 .

[Xilizhra]

So when did the supernova happen? Sovereign didn't even stick around to run the Rachni wars? He just slept?

Possible, but I find it pretty farfetched.

Had Sovereign run the Rachni Wars, it could have done a lot more, like indoctrinated the krogan or placed a Saren-like agent among them, or evacuated queens from the rachni worlds to restart the Wars at an inopportune moment. However, Sovereign is both highly arrogant and lacks any evidence of being especially bright. Quite frankly, the Reapers seem sort of dumb as a whole; why, among other things, didn't they place tracking devices on mass relays so that they could find them again if astrological phenomena like this happened? What if the Alpha Relay had been blown away and then exited right in front of another star?

Shepard talking about how what he did/is about to do is better for everyone. Shepard never offers this when he makes a Paragon choice. It's usually just about the one visible individual who is fortunate enough to have a name and a face, or just about Shepard's principals. Never the bigger picture.

I think it's because the "better for everyone" nature of Paragon choices generally have their morality be fairly self-evident. Renegade choices on the surface are darker and require more verbal justification. However, I'll check this again on my next runthrough.

[ladyvader]

TheMarshal wrote...

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

Ugh, not Omega It was my favorite location in ME2. Why couldn't they just take the boring Citadel?

So long as the DJs from Afterlife made it out, I think I'll be okay.

It renders one of my fics AU, but I'll just have to deal with it!

Mine too, but oh well.  That story was full of speculation anyway.  Got one wrong.  Which probably won't be the last either.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I highly doubt Omega has gone anywhere. Those explosions are probably just there to convey chaos and battle.

Well duh, of course TIM isn't going to destroy an asset for no good reason.

Let alone one capable of destroying or at the very least incapacitating a Reaper with a single shot.