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[Atakuma]

None of them.

[Lenimph]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

But what is the one true religion has yet to be revealed? Or rather...it's been there in front of us all along, but not named or declared.

I am, of course, talking about the Great Cheese God!! His influence is everywhere!

*cue dramatic music*

I have no idea why but this is the music that popped into my head 

[blothulfur]

And Koslun came upon the idolators banging their heads upon the floor before a statue made of gold. "Oh mighty god." They cried out. "Why does thou not answer our prayers, we are poor and our heads are bloody from worship but still you will not answer us."

And Koslun strode forth drawing his keen blade and smote the statue with all the strength of his anger so that it was split asunder, and in a voice of thunder he declared. "Lift thy head from the muck so that thou might see, look at the gold that is thine and know that you are rich, bide a spell free of worship and your wounds shall be healed."

"Look, understand and do, lest perfection be forever beyond thy reach." And with that the first strode forth across the world.

Many thought to slay the madman so that their god would be appeased, but fearing his strength and certainty they smashed their head against the ground all the harder in superstitious dread. Others did as they were bidden and took slivers of the gold so that their families might eat again and saw what fools they had been. But a scarce handful, those who were judged to be strange and alone they set out upon Kosluns path and the Qun was awakened in their hearts.

[Costin_Razvan]

I do think there is a Maker, it does tie in with Dalish religion as well, who believe in a great godess who created everything. But eh assigning gender to an allmighty god does seem foolish at best.

The Qun is no religion, granted it's an ideological belief system but it is NOT a religion and I think the Qunari would laugh at the idea of viewing it at such.

[blothulfur]

Indeed.

[naledgeborn]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I do think there is a Maker, it does tie in with Dalish religion as well, who believe in a great godess who created everything. But eh assigning gender to an allmighty god does seem foolish at best.

The Qun is no religion, granted it's an ideological belief system but it is NOT a religion and I think the Qunari would laugh at the idea of viewing it at such.

That's why there is only the Qun. 

"Shok ebasit hissra. Meraad astaarit, meraad itwasit, aban aqun. Maraas shokra. Anaan esaam Qun."
(Struggle is an illusion. The tide rises, the tide falls, but the sea is changeless. There is nothing to struggle against. Victory is in the Qun.) -- Ashkaari Koslun 

Modifié par naledgeborn, 13 septembre 2011 - 09:01 .

[Costin_Razvan]

The Qunari allow the worship of gods in their lands, granted they view the idea as childish but they don't fight against it either simply believing that the people will eventually leave their faith behind.

[naledgeborn]

Filament wrote...

but that's just because they're hipsters like that.

So that would make Sten the Alistair of the Qunari. Glad we got that covered. Guess we know who the next Arishok is...

[Sabariel]

The Cult of Bianca is the only true religion in Thedas.

[The dead fish]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
The Qun is no religion, granted it's an ideological belief system but it is NOT a religion and I think the Qunari would laugh at the idea of viewing it at such.

And yet, The Qun acts pretty much as a religion, with the same effect on people, by the spiritual power it inspires. That's the practice of worship, teaching, spiritual expectations as to give meaning to human life on earth. ( for example to destroy the chaos.)

A way of life and search for answers of the deepest questions of humanity and nature. Why I live, what is my place in the universe, to what ideals do I tender ? . It is not based on logic, or reason, like any religion, it is based mainly on the heart and the belief of a higher will. As Buddhism. Buddhism is considered a religion when it seems there is no mention of God or of divine nature.

No need for proof material, as the law of physics, to think that the creation of the universe is not simply a  fact of nature, and they must play a role.  Qunari are indoctrinated from birth. They do not have a choice to join or not the Qun.  When one of them question or reject that will, they are rejected and considered spiritually as sacrilegious or heretics, who must die, because their lives are an insult to the Qun. Also they decide to force other people to convert to their absolutist beliefs.

In any case, The Qun, obscurantist, is certainly not philosophy. The philosophy aims to enlighten, and elevation of man in thought, which is totally the opposite of Qun, you must not think, but to obey, to obey without thinking every order and thoughts and reflections arising from the qun.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 13 septembre 2011 - 08:46 .

[andraip]

Talan esaam Qun.

[The dead fish]

No rude words please !

[Mike_Neel]

Filament wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Filament wrote...

The spirit shamans of Rivain know what's really up with the world today.

Good hash and trinkets?

And pendant key chains.

We are building a religion. We are building it bigger. We are widening the corridors and adding more lanes. We are building a religion. A limited edition.

[Satyricon331]

rapunzel696 wrote...
Religion is opium for the people. 
There's only the Qun.

You know, that comment's ironic, since "opium" in that quote is a painkiller (in Marx's time, they used it as a painkiller), and the Qun seems to me to be very much a painkiller in the strain of opium - it numbs your mind.


But yes, I agree with the comments above that they haven't told us yet.  I hope they'll reveal it and don't just leave us hanging, and that it's something both creative and plausible in the setting.

[filetemo]

That's why Corypheus revelation is big.
The magisters did indeed get into the city, but oh surprise, it was ALREADY black.

Did the maker (if there ever was one) had already left when they defiled the city?

[Drone696]

Satyricon331 wrote...

rapunzel696 wrote...
Religion is opium for the people. 
There's only the Qun.

You know, that comment's ironic, since "opium" in that quote is a painkiller (in Marx's time, they used it as a painkiller), and the Qun seems to me to be very much a painkiller in the strain of opium - it numbs your mind.


But yes, I agree with the comments above that they haven't told us yet.  I hope they'll reveal it and don't just leave us hanging, and that it's something both creative and plausible in the setting.

I don't judge you - how should you know better?

[TEWR]

Satyricon331 wrote...

rapunzel696 wrote...
Religion is opium for the people. 
There's only the Qun.

You know, that comment's ironic, since "opium" in that quote is a painkiller (in Marx's time, they used it as a painkiller), and the Qun seems to me to be very much a painkiller in the strain of opium - it numbs your mind.


But yes, I agree with the comments above that they haven't told us yet.  I hope they'll reveal it and don't just leave us hanging, and that it's something both creative and plausible in the setting.

It's even funnier considering the Qunari employ qamek (not the same as saar-qamek) which makes a person a mindless drone.

And I really do think every religion in Thedas is the true religion.

[casamar]

No love for the Imperial Chantry?

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

casamar wrote...

No love for the Imperial Chantry?

Don't know enough about them to say, sadly.

[Blacklash93]

I think they're all right. They all have a piece of the greater story in them.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I doubt any of the religions is completely true, but they all seem to have elements of truth. There really were Magisters, and Andraste's Ashes really do have healing properties, so the Chantry isn't wrong about everything. I would be unsurprised if the Elven gods turned out to exist in some sense. And my PCs have been attacked by enough dwarven spirits that I'm not willing to declare that the ancestors don't watch over people.

[The dead fish]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

casamar wrote...

No love for the Imperial Chantry?

Don't know enough about them to say, sadly.

This. I hope we'll learn more in Orlais.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sylvianus wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

casamar wrote...

No love for the Imperial Chantry?

Don't know enough about them to say, sadly.

This. I hope we'll learn more in Orlais.

Hell, screw orlais, I'd like to be able to learn straight from the horse's mouth in Tevinter. Finally be able to see the infamous dying empire. As well as see first hand in what ways specifically their Chantry differs from the orlesian one. We know they are alot more liberal as far as magic is concerned, but that doesn't tell me anything useful. They also do not believe Andraste was the divine bride, and I want to see what they do believe. As well as how non mages view the differences, the heierarchy and distribution of power, how they continue to defend the use of slavery despite Andraste's battle against it, ect.  The brief codex we get on it just states it is vastly different from the orlesian one, and in ways that the author found uncomfortable and disturbing.

I want to see why.

[Arthur Cousland]

Yes, it should be interesting to see Tevinter and their Imperial Chantry, and how it differs from what we've seen so far.