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[Candidate 88766]

I'm not fussed whether Bioware makes a canon Shepard or not - as far as I'm concerned, my canon Shepard is the only one I will ever consider canon.

That was very well written though, and I find myself agreeing with you. I wouldn't necessarily say that FemShep has more hardcore fans, I'd just say she has more, um, vocal fans. Interestingly, I have several FemSheps and only one male, but he is my canon one so I wouldn't mind Bioware's canon one being female.

I also fully agree with your reasoning for having Liara as the canon romance. I think her romance and her role in the story is just more interesting than most of the other characters. You have the interesting dynamic where each has saved the life of the other at least once, as opposed to the other characters who generally require rescuing.

I don't think it is necessary for Bioware to make a canon Shepard. If they do, I have no problem with Shepard being a woman and agree that it could actually make the story more interesting. There's also the more personal reason that I consider my male Shepard to be canon, so making Bioware's one female differentiates it somewhat.

The only way I'd disagree with a canon Shepard is if it was introduced in a future ME game.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 14 septembre 2011 - 06:40 .

[LOLandStuff]

The difference between Star Wars and Mass Effect is that Start Wars has a god.

[BatmanPWNS]

mulder1199 wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Shepard should be a she-male. That would make everyone happy right?

[Sarcasm intended]

chas bono style, or lady gaga style?

Either will satisfy BSN.

[jlb524]

I'd bet on a canon Shep someday (male, default Sheploo, Paragon, Liara romance, their asari children will show up in future games).

I'm sure I will have lost interest in the series by then (as I have with KotOR) so don't care much.

[NICKjnp]

George Lucas canonized Revan...Bioware didn't get a say in that.

[marstor05]

the only canon shep will be the one in the movies

[Saberchic]

If they were to make a canon Shep, I don't see how it has to be female. A lot of your stance is based on your preferred views of how people play/see the game.

There are a wide number of reasons why this would work so well. For
starters some of the biggest fans of the Mass Effect series are also
fans of FemShep. While it is true most of the people who played Mass
Effect tended to play a male Shepard, this was primarily due to the fact
that male Shepard was simply the default character. For the people who
really tended to get deep into the game, the hardcore fans, most of them
played FemShep at least once.

All the bolded part is your opinion and not fact. You simply don't have the numbers to support this, just your feelings.

To put it another way, most of the people who played male Shepard
probably won't be too bothered if Shepard turns out to be female in some
distant future project. By contrast people who played female Shepard
tend to be much more devoted to their character's story and the
franchise, and therefore would get a much deeper appreciation if canon
Shepard turned out to be female as well.
Keep in mind I'm talking
about generalizations here, I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions out
there. My point is Bioware will get more bang for their fan service buck
by making Shepard female.

I object to this. I have plenty of femSheps, but my favorite Shep happens to be one of my manSheps. He is ridiculously awesome and I abso-frickin-lutely love his story the best. You're also making quite the assumption about the kind of people that play male Sheps as opposed to femSheps, and it can be taken as insulting. (I'm sure you didn't mean it to be that way, but really try to look at what you wrote.)

For me, however, the best reason to make future canon Shepard female is
because the overall story just has more impact. The story of Shepard
just becomes more interesting and more compelling once you add the
detail that she was a woman. I have nothing against male Shepard - and
in fact I really enjoy playing my male paragon vanguard - but story from
the male Shepard perspective has this tendency to get boiled down to
just a basic story of some jarhead shooting the crap out of everything
till the galaxy was saved. Cool enough certainly but not nearly as
compelling to me.

FemShep does the same thing as manShep. Now you're using stereotyping to back up your argument. 
I'm not sure how this makes the story more compelling. What makes Shep compelling is their character, nit their gender, which is why we have the option to choose.

As far as Liara.... no, just no. I have issues with Blue Stalker Lady. You do make a good case for her being the LI, but I hope this doesn't happen. 

If Bioware ever canonizes Sheps story, I'll still stick to my own as canon. Heck, the first Shep I ever made was female. I am female (yes people, a female with a male avatar... Shocking!). But I would have no problem if they decided to keep Sheploo as the canon Shep. Making Shep a canon female just to make Shep female is not a good enough argument to see it happen.

edit: fixed quote boundary

Modifié par Saberchic, 14 septembre 2011 - 06:53 .

[mulder1199]

which is basically something unnecessary for the games.....bioware can be ambiguous with no problem and let everybody be happy....

[Jaron Oberyn]

Like it or not, there is a canon shepard. The movie is based off of the first game, what makes you think there wouldn't be?

-Polite

[Arppis]

I hope they won't, but if it is, male shepard for the win.

[leggywillow]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...
My suggestion is that the future canon Shepard should be my Shepard. I would gladly provide BW with my save file.

Haha, this.

Part of the reason why I love Shepard is because there's no canon.  I am still licking the salt from my wounds over Revan being canonically male.  Don't do this to me again.

[Chewin]

leggywillow wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...
My suggestion is that the future canon Shepard should be my Shepard. I would gladly provide BW with my save file.

Haha, this.

Part of the reason why I love Shepard is because there's no canon.  I am still licking the salt from my wounds over Revan being canonically male.  Don't do this to me again.

The Jedi Exile is canonically female.

Whether that makes you feel better or not.

Modifié par Chewin3, 14 septembre 2011 - 07:12 .

[Someone With Mass]

Meh. I'm not following the canon storyline in any way.

That's the part of having a choice.

[Sunnie]

marstor05 wrote...

the only canon shep will be the one in the movies

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Like it or not, there is a canon shepard. The movie is based off of the first game, what makes you think there wouldn't be?

-Polite

There is no, and won't be any movies based off of the current game series and especially Shepard.

Modifié par Sunnie22, 14 septembre 2011 - 07:21 .

[spirosz]

LGTX wrote...

An RPG is a personal experience for me. Whatever Bioware does with Shepard from this point on, no matter how "canon" they make him, my canon will lie with my playthroughs.

That's how I feel as well.  

[LGTX]

Legendary Pictures confirmed that the Mass Effect movie will feature a male Shepard and will be based on the first game.

Doesn't change anything though. My playthroughs have my canon decisions and Shepards in them. Outside franchising can do whatever it wants.

[Saberchic]

Sunnie22 wrote...

marstor05 wrote...

the only canon shep will be the one in the movies

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Like it or not, there is a canon shepard. The movie is based off of the first game, what makes you think there wouldn't be?

-Polite

There is no, and won't be any movies based off of the current game series and especially Shepard.

Huh? My understanding is that they said they were doing the first movie based on the storyline of the first game.

edit: haha. totally 'd. twice!

Modifié par Saberchic, 14 septembre 2011 - 07:24 .

[Hyperion II]

Bioware claimes that "there is no Canon for Mass effect."

Creating a canon for mass effect will angry sooooo many fans that it will be considerd suicidal for future sales.
that aside, your arguments are...well, lame.

There are as many maleShep fans as femShep fans if not more.
some of them will feel "cheated" if the canon will be female.
there is depth to the story regardless which gender you play.
every charecter evolves and every romance option fits shepard:
Miranda shows feelings.
Jack finds some peace in her f**ked-up life.
Tali loves shepard. period.
Garrus the sidekick becomes more then just a sidecick.
Kaidan and Ashely have little less depth but still great.
and you gave the detile for Liara.

Your over-all argument is that: "Make Shepard Female with Liara as romance because that's what I want and that's what I played."

[JonnyOwen]

Mr.House wrote...

Only my Shepard is canon.

Da, this.

[NICKjnp]

Modifié par NICKjnp, 14 septembre 2011 - 07:44 .

[JamieCOTC]

NICKjnp wrote...

Funny how you say that about Femshep. Where is your evidence for that general statement.

femShep has a much smaller fanbase, however it is much more vocal and some would say, more passionate. Vocal minority or a more passionate fanbase, just depends on how you view it. In truth, probably a bit of both.

And as much as I am against canonizing Shepard, it would at least be different to see a female Shepard in the movie. Alas, that won't happen.   

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 14 septembre 2011 - 07:49 .

[GunMoth]

This is a reaaallly touchy subject but,

I have a problem with making Shepard female. Before I didn't - but after having a discussion with other female players about how they think Shepard "should be" (the animation rig debate, should we spread our legs when we sit? Or cross them?) I honestly do not think it would work out unless the person who wrote fem shep REALLY knew what they were facing by writing a character that means 100000 different things to 100000 different people. Yes, Male Shepard is the same way - but Female Shepard is interesting because you are faced with audiences who view her as more of a "Masculine" woman with a shaved head and a scar across her face, or a woman who likes to wear dresses and is extremely attractive.

In sci fi, you have two types of women: Butch vs. Feminine. That isn't much of a variety. Women are a complicated thing. And yes, men can be more feminine - but they don't really give males that option in ME1 or 2.

There are too many gender identity issues / generalizations / stereotypes. There are too many different types of women who play Mass Effect. By making femshep "canon" it would be upsetting a lot of women. Look how everyone reacted when "blonde" femshep was announced.

[Haventh]

All this talk about which Shepard doing what choices is cannon is starting to get mildly annoying. Why do people feel the strong desire to make their way the right way? When roleplay is concerned, there is no right way, it is subjective.

[Xeranx]

Then Shepard can be a tomboy who likes to look "nice" from time to time.

Generally I hate the idea of having a woman be a man. In my mind there's a difference between having traits and embodying what is socially agreed upon (whether consciously or not) to be masculine. It's the latter that bothers me. It's like thinking of a man being a woman. I don't mean being feminine, but actually being a woman (and not with hormones and the like). Hopefully that makes sense.

Modifié par Xeranx, 14 septembre 2011 - 08:03 .

[mjh417]

I think this debate is rather pointless, its my opinion that Bioware will never ever need to canonize anything about Shepard with regards to his gender or love interest, thats completely irrelevant and stupid and no matter what it would be pissing off fans. We all have our own Sheps and thats what Bioware wants. In the future of this franchise, you know if they make more games that take place after or even in parallel to Shep's trilogy, which I assume they will and so would anyone, they would just refer to Shepard in gender neutral terms (you know like the always do in the games!!!!!) and I cant see why the love interest would ever even come up. Now the one thing that would probably have to be canonized is that Shepard saved the galaxy and most, if not all the races survived the Reaper war in some form. We dont know what the various endings of ME3 will be yet, the various differences between them, but I think its safe to say Bioware in the future will in some senses canonize certain events as playing out with certain outcomes though maybe they'll wisely leave out how and why to still give room for the players choices to feel like they went beyond the trilogy in some ways. Im basically saying Im sure Bioware will only refer to the variable events of the trilogy and Sheps character in the most vague in ambiguous terms in future installments.