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[DRSH]

Once upon a time in a Galaxy far far away there was commander Shepard...
and he saved the Galaxy... or died trying.
The end.
This is as canon as it gets. What more would u want?

[rikimeru420]

Kreidian wrote...

This train of thought was sparked in reaction to what is happening with The Old Republic as it expands into the MMO realm. Specifically the work by Drew Karpyshyn in his upcoming novel to effectively canonize Revan.

As a result alot of background facts about Revan are being nailed down in one direction or another. For example, Revan will now officially be male and saved the Republic. Mind you, the people at Bioware have made it clear that this is not intended to invalidate the choices players made in their own games playing the Knights of the Old Republic. This is to lay a common framework - a separate path - that everyone can refer to as part of the process of building up the story of the Old Republic MMO.

The reason I specify this is because we can expect that eventually, as the Mass Effect franchise evolves beyond Shepard's story, there will be a need to develop the same common framework for future games. In short you can expect Bioware at some point will need to canonize Shepard.

For the moment one might assume Bioware would just use what they've already put together. Meaning that the classic Sheploo model for Male Shepard would be rehashed for their canon Shepard. However I think they should go with a very different approach this time.

My suggestion is that the future canon Shepard should be Female, and to take it a step further, she also had a romance with Liara.

There are a wide number of reasons why this would work so well. For starters some of the biggest fans of the Mass Effect series are also fans of FemShep. While it is true most of the people who played Mass Effect tended to play a male Shepard, this was primarily due to the fact that male Shepard was simply the default character. For the people who really tended to get deep into the game, the hardcore fans, most of them played FemShep at least once.

To put it another way, most of the people who played male Shepard probably won't be too bothered if Shepard turns out to be female in some distant future project. By contrast people who played female Shepard tend to be much more devoted to their character's story and the franchise, and therefore would get a much deeper appreciation if canon Shepard turned out to be female as well.
Keep in mind I'm talking about generalizations here, I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions out there. My point is Bioware will get more bang for their fan service buck by making Shepard female.

To prove my point look at how passionate fans have been about FemShep recently. The best Mass Effect cosplay features Holly Conrad as female Shepard, and have you heard Morgan Webb talking about Shepard on G4? She insists that Shepard must be female every time. The fact that the fans themselves had a say in what female Shepard should look like is huge. Even if not all the fans agree, even if the end result isn't exactly what everyone wanted, the important thing to keep in mind is that the default FemShep was decided based on direct fan input, for better or worse this is what the fans wanted. The fact that FemShep is getting so much attention at all for ME3 is a result of the huge outpouring of support from fans of FemShep.  This all speaks volumes on the dedication of female Shepard fans out there. And likewise it would be a huge gesture on the part of Bioware if the future canon Shepard was ultimately the one decided by the fans.

For me, however, the best reason to make future canon Shepard female is because the overall story just has more impact. The story of Shepard just becomes more interesting and more compelling once you add the detail that she was a woman. I have nothing against male Shepard - and in fact I really enjoy playing my male paragon vanguard - but story from the male Shepard perspective has this tendency to get boiled down to just a basic story of some jarhead shooting the crap out of everything till the galaxy was saved. Cool enough certainly but not nearly as compelling to me.

This is the same reason why I feel that a romance history with Liara would be the best choice. I admit, I'm a big Liara fan, she is my favorite romance option followed very closely by Tali. But a big part of that is because I feel the story of Liara in relation to Shepard is a much more significant one. More so then any other character we've seen Liara grow and develop into a really cool character. Likewise the story of Liara and Shepard's romance is that much more compelling to me then any of the other romances. ( Though again, Tali runs a very close second. ) After all look at all the sacrifices Liara went through to retrieve Shepard's body, and the risks she took just on the chance she could be brought to life. In addition a romance with Liara adds additional dramatic elements just from the mere fact that she is an alien. Themes of racial tensions, cultures clashing, and having to work with that while still maintaining a relationship all makes for a much more interesting romance and a much more interesting story overall.

This does bring up a question about Bioware's previous marketing. After all if the franchise was originally built on a male Shepard model how can they work moving to a female one? That's actually very simple as it turns out. Firstly it is important to understand that such a future product will be very different, they won't need to use Shepard at all for the marketing since it will be a very different story set in the same universe. ( Much like how you won't see Revan on the cover of the SWTOR game box. ) Beyond that they already laid the groundwork to explain this change in the game itself. Recall how Jacob mentions that the Alliance replaced Shepard with another model for their advertisements, because apparently she didn't "test well". So it's not a stretch to say that the Alliance had a male model on their advertisements since they felt that would "test better" despite the fact that Shepard was female. It would certainly add an interesting twist to the future of the Mass Effect story.

Yes this is all just my opinion of what I think will make the best story in the end. Feel free to share yours.


tl;dr - If you're too lazy to actually read more then two sentences then I don't care about your opinion anyway.

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Modifié par rikimeru420, 14 septembre 2011 - 10:09 .

[Omega-202]

The ME film is establishing a male Shepard already and I truly believe that's the best choice. I can understand the desire for a female lead, but there are already so many strong female characters in Mass Effect that throwing out a male Shepard leaves the series without a strong, human male character.

For main females, you have Ashley, Liara, Tali, Jack and Miranda. All relatively strong characters that have established, dominant personalities (or have developed dominant personalities as of ME2).

Comparatively, for males, you have Garrus, Kaiden, Jacob and Thane. Between them, Garrus is the only arguably "dominant", strong character, and even then he's always played off more as Shepard's "beta" than his own "alpha". Ash, Miranda and Jack are all "alpha" personalities themselves. Do we even have to go into Kaiden and Jacob? They're universally criticized for their relatively bland personalities and the fact that they fill in more of a sidekick role than a lead role.

So in summation, ME is in no way short on Alpha Females, but without a male Shepard, there are arguably zero Alpha Males.

[BlueMagitek]

Liara & Tali really aren't strong female leads until ME2. >_>

Of course, the only correct Mass Effect movie is a musical staring Mordin but no one understands the genius of it. T_T

[Bcuz]

I personally don't think that Shepard should be cannonized in any way shape or form period. Making the ME movie about Shepard is a mistake, why would you tell a story the fans already know, and than non-fans aren't interested in?


Also, an unrelated note,

JeffZero wrote...

Good read. Well written.

I can't say I've dwelled on it much. I don't really follow TOR (although that may change in due time) so I wasn't familiar with the canonization of Revan. Makes sense of course.

Your hypothesis that Shepard may well eventually be treated similarly has dawned on me when I've considered how exactly BioWare will pursue the potential series MMO. And while I typically roll MaleShep romancing either Ashley or Tali, I definitely see your point.

If there must be a framework in future installments FemShep with Liara is a good choice.

*NerdBroFist*

[LGTX]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Of course, the only correct Mass Effect movie is a musical staring Mordin but no one understands the genius of it. T_T

By the spirits... I thought I was the only one!

[BlueMagitek]

LGTX wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Of course, the only correct Mass Effect movie is a musical staring Mordin but no one understands the genius of it. T_T

By the spirits... I thought I was the only one!

Musical of ME 2, gooooo~!

But as to the actual topic, canon Shep, assuming there ever is one, is probably the no Import Shep of ME 2 who went on to grab everyone's loyalties so they could show up in ME3, kept the CB, and didn't romance anyone.  Or the romance isn't refered to.  What, half of Shepard's romance partners can't result in offspring?  I'm sure we'd see some kids named after him though, if such a thing were to happen.

[Pockles]

A canon Shepard would make all of my choices pointless. Terrible idea.

[JamieCOTC]

Bcuz wrote...

I personally don't think that Shepard should be cannonized in any way shape or form period. Making the ME movie about Shepard is a mistake, why would you tell a story the fans already know, and than non-fans aren't interested in?


Also, an unrelated note,

JeffZero wrote...

Good read. Well written.

I can't say I've dwelled on it much. I don't really follow TOR (although that may change in due time) so I wasn't familiar with the canonization of Revan. Makes sense of course.

Your hypothesis that Shepard may well eventually be treated similarly has dawned on me when I've considered how exactly BioWare will pursue the potential series MMO. And while I typically roll MaleShep romancing either Ashley or Tali, I definitely see your point.

If there must be a framework in future installments FemShep with Liara is a good choice.

*NerdBroFist*

Because the movie isn't made for the fans.  It's made for the general public for general consumption.  And while most people beyond the ME fanbase won't know who Commander Shepard is, he's all they've got. 

[The Interloper]

Comparisons to KOTOR aren't entirely appropriate. It was a game set in a franchise with a canon timeline, and it wasnt' bioware's IP. ME is made by bioware and the original material is based on choice.

I understand if they have to make a canon for the franchise to continue, but they should only do this as a last resort. Until then, I don't think they should do anything with the main storyline.

What I'm saying is that hopefully the issue won't come up, at least for a while.

[Omega-202]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Liara & Tali really aren't strong female leads until ME2. >_>

Of course, the only correct Mass Effect movie is a musical staring Mordin but no one understands the genius of it. T_T

Did you literally stop reading at the end of that sentence and completely miss where I said "Or have developed dominant personalities by ME2"?  

That's like if you stopped reading/watching Stephen King's Carrie right after she got crowned prom queen.  

[Golden Owl]

The books managed to remain ambigous as to Shep's gender, class, etc...and his/her romance doesn't and shouldn't even play a role. There is no need to canonize a Shep for future games...the only aspects that MAY need to be decided are choices Shep made that have long term impact on the Galaxy...if that were the case, I would assume BW would probably go the neutral options and let the cards lay where they fall.

As a personal note...I would prefer you didn't refer to manShep as a JarHead again....he isn't....Thank you.

[BlueMagitek]

Completely miss where you said what?

[CMDR Locke]

Canon Shepard will be:

Male (They paid someone to be his model. They promote male more than female and to exclusion of female until ME3)

Soldier (Default class is default)

Earthborn (Default)

Soul Survivor (Default)

Love Interest Liara T'Soni (Only LI both male and female can choose, story pushes her down your throat.)

Mostly Renegade some Paragon (I use his backgrounds to choose this. Earthborn is Renegade in nature, Soul Survivor is both.)

Argue all you want, but when I put any ME game into any console/pc those are the choices made for me if I quickstart minus Liara and R/P choices, but assuming I follow the story..I'll end up with Liara, and if I go straight down the middle on choices I'll be more Renegade than Paragon.

[UnadoptedTrack]

I think canonizing Shepard is just plain stupid. Since everyone plays Shepard differently, it would be foolish to even try. If they try to because he'll/she'll be in a movie or something, they should make it the default male, with a neutral attitude, just because that's the most generic type. If it's in like an MMO, they can just make it to where he/she isn't shown and only vaguely mentioned.

[Soccer FeverMan]

what the hell are you doing out of the kitchen...

[CMDR Locke]

Golden Owl wrote...

The books managed to remain ambigous as to Shep's gender, class, etc...and his/her romance doesn't and shouldn't even play a role. There is no need to canonize a Shep for future games...the only aspects that MAY need to be decided are choices Shep made that have long term impact on the Galaxy...if that were the case, I would assume BW would probably go the neutral options and let the cards lay where they fall.

As a personal note...I would prefer you didn't refer to manShep as a JarHead again....he isn't....Thank you.

How can you remain ambigous to his class?

Either he uses Biotics/Tech/Charges/Stealth/Super Shields or he doesn't.  If he doesn't he's a soldier.  if he does, it's not ambigous.

[Golden Owl]

CMDR Locke wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

The books managed to remain ambigous as to Shep's gender, class, etc...and his/her romance doesn't and shouldn't even play a role. There is no need to canonize a Shep for future games...the only aspects that MAY need to be decided are choices Shep made that have long term impact on the Galaxy...if that were the case, I would assume BW would probably go the neutral options and let the cards lay where they fall.

As a personal note...I would prefer you didn't refer to manShep as a JarHead again....he isn't....Thank you.

How can you remain ambigous to his class?

Either he uses Biotics/Tech/Charges/Stealth/Super Shields or he doesn't.  If he doesn't he's a soldier.  if he does, it's not ambigous.

How much really needs to be known about Shep in future context....really all you need is the fact that Shep stopped the Reapers...not the minute (unimportant) details in how s/he did it....(as a Biotic, Techie, Soldier, etc...) Only maybe other issues, such as do the Rachni exist or not, is the Genophage cured or not....events that alter the future Galaxy...Sheps sex, class, romance, personal history, etc...do not alter future events.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 14 septembre 2011 - 11:31 .

[Kusy]

Revan always had a canon way of playing, set by Lucas.

Revan is male, full light side while Exile is female full light side. That's it.

[Yvell]

I know this is off topic, but I am referring to a post on the first page....*Ahem*
Mr. House, is your profile picture a pony Freddy Mercury? Or am I just looking at it wrong?

[Drone223]

*Reads name of thread*

http://t3.gstatic.co...yLtusPGLNrs-0uK

[Hyperion II]

People should know the Default =/= Canon.
Default excist for players who can't/don't want to spend time on creating their own Shepard.

About the movie: You should all know that video game movies are at the bottom on the movie industry. They have no place and no connection to the game and should not be treated seriously by any real fan with self respect.
I've seen enough video game movies to know that a good game =/= good movie.
Resident Evil, Silent hill, House of the dead and Mortal Kombat are only some of the respected names that lost alot of their charm after hitting the cinema.

It really scares me that so many of you treating the movie with some importence and believing that a great game with more then 20 houres of game-time can be replaced by a 1.5 hour long crappy piece of cinema.

[DDG4005]

Saberchic wrote...

If they were to make a canon Shep, I don't see how it has to be female. A lot of your stance is based on your preferred views of how people play/see the game.

There are a wide number of reasons why this would work so well. For
starters some of the biggest fans of the Mass Effect series are also
fans of FemShep. While it is true most of the people who played Mass
Effect tended to play a male Shepard, this was primarily due to the fact
that male Shepard was simply the default character. For the people who
really tended to get deep into the game, the hardcore fans, most of them
played FemShep at least once.

All the bolded part is your opinion and not fact. You simply don't have the numbers to support this, just your feelings.

To put it another way, most of the people who played male Shepard
probably won't be too bothered if Shepard turns out to be female in some
distant future project. By contrast people who played female Shepard
tend to be much more devoted to their character's story and the
franchise, and therefore would get a much deeper appreciation if canon
Shepard turned out to be female as well.
Keep in mind I'm talking
about generalizations here, I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions out
there. My point is Bioware will get more bang for their fan service buck
by making Shepard female.

I object to this. I have plenty of femSheps, but my favorite Shep happens to be one of my manSheps. He is ridiculously awesome and I abso-frickin-lutely love his story the best. You're also making quite the assumption about the kind of people that play male Sheps as opposed to femSheps, and it can be taken as insulting. (I'm sure you didn't mean it to be that way, but really try to look at what you wrote.)

For me, however, the best reason to make future canon Shepard female is
because the overall story just has more impact. The story of Shepard
just becomes more interesting and more compelling once you add the
detail that she was a woman. I have nothing against male Shepard - and
in fact I really enjoy playing my male paragon vanguard - but story from
the male Shepard perspective has this tendency to get boiled down to
just a basic story of some jarhead shooting the crap out of everything
till the galaxy was saved. Cool enough certainly but not nearly as
compelling to me.

FemShep does the same thing as manShep. Now you're using stereotyping to back up your argument. 
I'm not sure how this makes the story more compelling. What makes Shep compelling is their character, nit their gender, which is why we have the option to choose.

As far as Liara.... no, just no. I have issues with Blue Stalker Lady. You do make a good case for her being the LI, but I hope this doesn't happen. 

If Bioware ever canonizes Sheps story, I'll still stick to my own as canon. Heck, the first Shep I ever made was female. I am female (yes people, a female with a male avatar... Shocking!). But I would have no problem if they decided to keep Sheploo as the canon Shep. Making Shep a canon female just to make Shep female is not a good enough argument to see it happen.

edit: fixed quote boundary

Excellent post.

[C9316]

No canon would be even better...