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[Jedi Master of Orion]

So while playing Legacy the section with the Altar of Dumat at the base of the tower caught my attention. Since the altar seems to have some effect of some kind no matter what Hawke does to it, what do you think that signifies?


If Hawke makes a sacriifce to Dumat then in addition to getting some new item, it journal actually says sometihng like "the Old God appears satisifed".

Does that imply Dumat is still alive? Does it imply that he was killed by the Grey Wardens but still exists somewhere  he can interact with this altars? Does it suggest that the First Archdemon was not Dumat or that he was and somehow survived the First Blight by being reborn as an Old God Baby or something? Or perhaps it means nothing or simply that the Altar of Dumat will still work without him?

I surprisingly found there was something strangly poignant about Corypheus calling out to Dumat after you awaken him, but since Corypheus was still able to gain the strength from making sacrifices to Dumat maybe he isn't gone?

The thing that it reminds me of was that wasn't there a Shrine of Korth in Awakening with a similar situation? There hasn't seemed to be a lot of information about the ancient Alamarri Gods but their altars seem to react the same way if defiled, does that imply that both they and the Old Gods still exist or that the demons that are summoned are a result of the spirits of the Fade are still tied to the Altar because of the beliefs that mortals had?

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 15 septembre 2011 - 12:50 .

[Nerdage]

I assumed it was the demons that appear if you defile the alter that gave it its power.

Modifié par nerdage, 15 septembre 2011 - 12:07 .

[whykikyouwhy]

I personally haven't come to a conclusion about Dumat. There have been a slew of theories bandied about and each has a kernel of validity. It's possible that an aspect of Dumat was killed - the archdemon, or negative side/avatar, while his true self lives in some spiritual form (the Maker supposedly trapped the old gods underground, but what if that prison is not complete?). It could be that there was some sort of OGB body swap, and maybe that OGB was imprisoned somewhere versus having escaped and wandered the world.

I don't know that the altar was a definitive connection to Dumat himself. I think originally it was (or that was the intent), but that other spirits/demons/creatures flocked to that particular telephone line and fed off of the sacrifices made (perhaps growing in power and eventually being able to respond in some fashion). With all of the vile energies swirling around and trapped at the Prison (Corypheus, Malvernis, etc), it would make sense for other beings to gather there, and I think this is what responds when you defile the altar or make the sacrifice - something just stepping in for Dumat.

Of course, it could be Fen'Harel responding.

[Maugrim]

Also remember the idea that the Archdemons are Old Gods is just a theory really. There isn't even 100% of in game support that each Archdemon that has been slain has been powered by the god that they've said it was. For all we know the two aren't even related! Though I give that that is unlikely, for simplicities sake if nothing else. That's the nature of Dragon Age, no easy answers just lots and lots of theory crafting.

[esper]

I really think that the Alter was powered by demons. It looked like a demon sealing statue and demons appeared.
And did corypheus really gain strenght from Dumat sacrifices? I thought he drew the power from the statues and who know what was stored in them.
I have a feeling that a lot of shrines (regardless of faith) is properly powered by demons because I think that a lot of demons likes to be wordshipped so they will properly be happy to play a god.

[Dave of Canada]

Considering doing the ritual at the altar has Corypheus mention it at the start of combat, I assume it's somewhat tied to Dumat. Unless Corypheus has ties to demons somehow.

[esper]

He is an acient tevinter magister turned darkspawn... I assume that they knew blood magic.

[Reno_Tarshil]

He just needs a hug to come back into this world, that's all.

[Loyal Tevinter]

I loved the Alter of Dumat but I also was wondering how it was possible for Dumat to be responsive if he was slain a long time ago. I'm eager to see more thoughts on this.

[Spartansfan8888]

demonwolf83 wrote...

I loved the Alter of Dumat but I also was wondering how it was possible for Dumat to be responsive if he was slain a long time ago. I'm eager to see more thoughts on this.

When Corypheus was beaten it was implied he was able to hop into a warden to remain alive. If this is so it is plausible Dumat taught him that trick. Maybe the "dead" wardens from past blights are only sleeping like Corypheus was only they have the old gods inside them? My best guess anyways.

Modifié par Spartansfan8888, 15 septembre 2011 - 02:33 .

[ShadowLordXII]

Maybe Dumat wasn't the first archdemon and is still waiting beneath the deep roads drawing power from the archdemons that die?

How do we know that the first archdemon really was Dumat? It could be that it was later assumed to be Dumat by the Chantry.

[thats1evildude]

I guess this goes to the nature of the Old Gods. Are they just big dragons? Or are they something more? How did they become "gods" to the Tevinter Imperium?

Questions, questions, questions. It seems like we get two questions for every answer.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 septembre 2011 - 04:15 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Considering doing the ritual at the altar has Corypheus mention it at the start of combat, I assume it's somewhat tied to Dumat. Unless Corypheus has ties to demons somehow.

He was an ancient Tevinter Magister who participated in the biggest blood magic ritual in the history of Thedas. Him having ties to demons and darker fade entities is pretty much a given. The ancient Tevinter magisters were extremely powerful, competant mages who were said to often enslave demons to their service, or utilize them in numerous rituals. And they had zero qualms about doing so, since this is before Andraste is even born. In fact, they did so frequently, blatantly, and quite openly, to demoralize enemies and slaves as well.

[happy_daiz]

I think the alter is good for one thing, and one thing only: getting rivalry from certain companions.