I hate what Bioware has done in general with ME 2 as compared to ME 1. One of the greatest issues I have is the way bionic crowd control and damage have been changed to be almost completely impotent against armored and shielded targets. They made it so weapon damage is king. In light of that how workable are the Adepts in ME 2?
Adept in ME 2
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Penrose
, sept. 15 2011 01:55
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Posté 15 septembre 2011 - 02:01
ryoldschool
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This is a very common complaint, and honestly some people are still mad about it. However, if you have an open mind check out this thread
The Power of the Adept
Lots of people play Adept on insanity all the time. I'm not an adept guru, but there are a bunch that frequent this forum. Don't give up on ME2 adept until you study how it can be played.
The Power of the Adept
Lots of people play Adept on insanity all the time. I'm not an adept guru, but there are a bunch that frequent this forum. Don't give up on ME2 adept until you study how it can be played.
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Posté 15 septembre 2011 - 02:34
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Thanks. What's the usual skill spread for the class. I prefer the Barrier for bonus skill.
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Posté 15 septembre 2011 - 04:07
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as an adept, i have used both barrier and stasis depending on missions. Also energy drain on occasions. It's so far the class in which i've retrained powers the most often.
I myself love the adept ( but i haven't played ME1) because it requires more versatility and also more team work. ( that said i've seen a couple amazing adept vids without any squad ).
With singularity, dealing with harbinger, husks , scions, mercs, lokis, the shadow broker ... is great fun .
the are stuck in that vortex while you just have your way with them.
I myself love the adept ( but i haven't played ME1) because it requires more versatility and also more team work. ( that said i've seen a couple amazing adept vids without any squad ).
With singularity, dealing with harbinger, husks , scions, mercs, lokis, the shadow broker ... is great fun .
the are stuck in that vortex while you just have your way with them.
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Posté 15 septembre 2011 - 04:52
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Do you get barrier as a bonus skill at start once you complete the game on a different character or after you accomplish teammate task? I forgot and now when I start a new game I don't get the option.
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Posté 15 septembre 2011 - 05:00
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bonus power available after you complete their loyality mision, and then on any playthrough after that at Lazarus Station. Exception is stasis. On PC there is a bug where in a new game stasis is not available in Lazarus Station ( even if unlocked ). However after you get Mordin it shows up under advanced training.
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Posté 15 septembre 2011 - 05:03
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I completed the game a bunch of times but the damn thing does not apparently appreciate the fact. Very strange. And annoying.
Modifié par Penrose, 15 septembre 2011 - 05:04 .
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Posté 15 septembre 2011 - 05:08
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Is it a new install, or a new xbox? maybe some files are in the wrong place?
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Posté 15 septembre 2011 - 05:11
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PC steam version. Game has been in place for over a year. Haven't touched it in a while and when started it up it did some update. Also had to resign to the EA account. I do have an old adept save at 20 hr with barrier but hoped to start fresh.
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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 08:24
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lol, really? the Adept is easily one of the most powerful classes in the game. even on insanity.
I see dozens of people crying about how they can't just immediately pull/singularity an enemy and detonate everything else in the area. So spend a whole 4 seconds shooting off their shield, or have a squadmate use a skill, or just use warp, which devastates 2 out of the 3 protective barriers they can have.
Both the Adept and Vanguard are excellent classes which require a certain comprehension of abilities
as well as battlefield intel to maximize effeciency.
IMO nothing rivals watching a frozen merc get hurricane thrown into a pillar and exploding into ice cubes
or charging around the battlefield unleashing death in the form of buckshot.
I understand if other people don't think the same, but if anything sucks in this situation, it definately isn't the class.
I see dozens of people crying about how they can't just immediately pull/singularity an enemy and detonate everything else in the area. So spend a whole 4 seconds shooting off their shield, or have a squadmate use a skill, or just use warp, which devastates 2 out of the 3 protective barriers they can have.
Both the Adept and Vanguard are excellent classes which require a certain comprehension of abilities
as well as battlefield intel to maximize effeciency.
IMO nothing rivals watching a frozen merc get hurricane thrown into a pillar and exploding into ice cubes
or charging around the battlefield unleashing death in the form of buckshot.
I understand if other people don't think the same, but if anything sucks in this situation, it definately isn't the class.
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Posté 05 octobre 2011 - 12:10
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Penrose wrote...
What's the usual skill spread for the class. I prefer the Barrier for bonus skill.
Warp Ammo is also common, especially if you take Squadmates who won't have ammo skills to offer. Stasis is another pick, though as Ryoldschool mentioned, it often doesn't show as a selection on the PC until you get Retraining. Energy Drain helps fill the void versus shields, and Flashbang has become increasingly popular.
xassantex wrote...
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myself love the adept ( but i haven't played ME1) because it requires
more versatility and also more team work.
I agree. That's also why I prefer playing my Adept on Veteran and Hardcore, instead of Insanity - not because it's easier (it is, though still fun), but because the tactics vary more. On Insanity, I nearly always open with Singularity to force a stagger, then shoot down shields. On other levels, I'm as likely to Pull/Throw or finish a combo opened by a Squaddie.
That's not meant to steer anyone away from Insanity - it's certainly possible with an Adept, as mentioned above - but do whatever is most fun for you.
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Posté 05 octobre 2011 - 12:38
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Stasis is a beast BP if you have LotSB.
The only serious adjustment Adepts need to make in ME2 Hardcore/Insanity is to be more deliberate in stripping defenses with weapons & squaddies, THEN applying powers for kills... I also want to note that launching fools off ledges or into space is often better than pure warp combos.
From there, Adepts players should concentrate on speed. Singularity is important b/c it can (soft) cc protected enemies and can lift multiple targets, but it's slow as hell. Slow gets you shot and getting shot means more time hiding and less time killing. Learn to use Pull and Throw in situations that require more quickness.. Also, try to stay at mid-range when you're starting out, which makes a few of things easier for new Adepts.. namely, minimizing projectile travel time while giving you a decent vantage point of things. Finally, NOT being overambitious and AVOIDING big flashy warp combos actually helps if you find yourself getting shot too much and not killing enough, as ironic as that is.
The end result should be that you get a feel of the Adept's powers, and how to use them to instakill. Instakilling is what the Adept does best, and the class can do so en masse to an extent that you should be able to mow through mobs as fast or faster than any other class in the game.
The only serious adjustment Adepts need to make in ME2 Hardcore/Insanity is to be more deliberate in stripping defenses with weapons & squaddies, THEN applying powers for kills... I also want to note that launching fools off ledges or into space is often better than pure warp combos.
From there, Adepts players should concentrate on speed. Singularity is important b/c it can (soft) cc protected enemies and can lift multiple targets, but it's slow as hell. Slow gets you shot and getting shot means more time hiding and less time killing. Learn to use Pull and Throw in situations that require more quickness.. Also, try to stay at mid-range when you're starting out, which makes a few of things easier for new Adepts.. namely, minimizing projectile travel time while giving you a decent vantage point of things. Finally, NOT being overambitious and AVOIDING big flashy warp combos actually helps if you find yourself getting shot too much and not killing enough, as ironic as that is.
The end result should be that you get a feel of the Adept's powers, and how to use them to instakill. Instakilling is what the Adept does best, and the class can do so en masse to an extent that you should be able to mow through mobs as fast or faster than any other class in the game.
Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 05 octobre 2011 - 12:40 .
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Posté 05 octobre 2011 - 03:41
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Put simply a warp bomb combo done alone takes 9 seconds base cooldown, while a pull throw kill takes 6 seconds and a pure throw kill takes 3 base cooldown. The only real time a warp bomb it preferred is when you have multiple enemies around to damage or strip protections. On almost every map there is a place that a pure pull will kill, or that you can pull/throw combo to intakill, and learning where and how will greatly speed your times. As a note, warp bombs often will not kill an insanity level enemy especially if it is a Krogan or Lieutenant/boss enemy, while they will die if thrown off the map.
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Posté 09 octobre 2011 - 02:52
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sorry OP, the ME2 adept wont make you happy.
theres no way around enemy defenses, except for debuffs and weapons. you might as well play a soldier, with slam and youll have almost the same exact adept experiecne, other then being frustrated with secondary weapons and impotent powers.
sure warp bombs, stasis and an actually firearm help, but any class can do those things too. playing an adept, and relying on stasis, isnt a reason to play an adept.
theres no way around enemy defenses, except for debuffs and weapons. you might as well play a soldier, with slam and youll have almost the same exact adept experiecne, other then being frustrated with secondary weapons and impotent powers.
sure warp bombs, stasis and an actually firearm help, but any class can do those things too. playing an adept, and relying on stasis, isnt a reason to play an adept.
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Posté 09 octobre 2011 - 04:30
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^ read his name, and understand his entire agenda is to bash the ME2 adept, instead of learning how to play and rock with it. He wants his ME1 powerspammer godling back and is really hurt that not everyone agrees with him about the Adept being a pansy nerfed geek.
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Posté 09 octobre 2011 - 07:19
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mcsupersport wrote...
not everyone agrees with him about the Adept being a pansy nerfed geek.
Indeed. Adepts aren't made of glass.
Penrose wrote...
One of the greatest issues I have is the way bionic crowd control and damage have been changed to be almost completely impotent against armored and shielded targets.
Stasis Rush: Speed against a Geth Prime (1-minute video). Shielded, armored, high-health enemy immune to Singularity, on Insanity. He doesn't even get to shoot.
It's hard to imagine another class finishing the fight that fast and impossible to imagine one doing it without taking damage. Adepts are still the masters of control.
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Posté 10 octobre 2011 - 12:22
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mcsupersport wrote...
^ read his name, and understand his entire agenda is to bash the ME2 adept, instead of learning how to play and rock with it. He wants his ME1 powerspammer godling back and is really hurt that not everyone agrees with him about the Adept being a pansy nerfed geek.
nuh uh.
