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[Gabey5]

Do you think the reapers can be defeated via a naval victory , even though they have a beachhead on Earth?


Also tidbit

Flagship of the Fifth Fleet in 2185. Constructed sometime after 2183 and
completed by 2185. If Shepard has the Spacer background, Hannah Shepard is the captain of this ship in 2185.

This could also be interesting if bioware runs with it

[111987]

Nope.

The Reapers are too strong to be beaten like that. Otherwise a species like the Protheans whom had a galactic empire could have just thrown their fleets at the Reapers too, and won.

[el master pr]

Well, to get back Earth I guess we need a Naval Victory. If not, well... you get one of the possible endings.

[Mass N7 Effect N7 Maniac]

HELL NO

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

A navel victory?

[marshalleck]

No, and if they are, it will be the last Bioware game I'll ever purchase since it will seem the writers are now completely out of ideas.

[el master pr]

111987 wrote...

Nope.

The Reapers are too strong to be beaten like that. Otherwise a species like the Protheans whom had a galactic empire could have just thrown their fleets at the Reapers too, and won.

Looking for a way to beat the Reapers is a main plotpoint in ME3, and I don't see any other way to beat them.

And besides, it could be said that the Protheans never had a chance to organize a counterattack against the Reapers since they most probably deactivated the Mass Relay Network before anyone could act or notice what was going on, effectively cutting off communications galaxy-wide.

edit: It's either that, or a Deus Ex Machina. Which is worse?

Modifié par el master pr, 16 septembre 2011 - 05:33 .

[111987]

el master pr wrote...

111987 wrote...

Nope.

The Reapers are too strong to be beaten like that. Otherwise a species like the Protheans whom had a galactic empire could have just thrown their fleets at the Reapers too, and won.

Looking for a way to beat the Reapers is a main plotpoint in ME3, and I don't see any other way to beat them.

And besides, it could be said that the Protheans never had a chance to organize a counterattack against the Reapers since they most probably deactivated the Mass Relay Network before anyone could act or notice what was going on, effectively cutting off communications galaxy-wide.

edit: It's either that, or a Deus Ex Machina. Which is worse?

It doesn't have to be one or the other. I think it's pretty clear though that if we just assembled a massive fleet and threw them at the Reapers, we'd lose.

If a Reaper can one-shot a dreadnaught with its main gun every 5 seconds, and has 10-11 Thanix Cannons that fire every 3 seconds that can one shot anything smaller than a dreadnaught, we would face HUGE losses in just the opening minutes. Meanwhile, their shields 'are invulnerable to dreadnaught fire'; while they can be whittled down, we know it would take hundreds of kilotons of force to bring down the shields of even one Reaper.

Their shields and weapons are just too strong to face in a straight up fight.

[marshalleck]

111987 wrote...

el master pr wrote...

111987 wrote...

Nope.

The Reapers are too strong to be beaten like that. Otherwise a species like the Protheans whom had a galactic empire could have just thrown their fleets at the Reapers too, and won.

Looking for a way to beat the Reapers is a main plotpoint in ME3, and I don't see any other way to beat them.

And besides, it could be said that the Protheans never had a chance to organize a counterattack against the Reapers since they most probably deactivated the Mass Relay Network before anyone could act or notice what was going on, effectively cutting off communications galaxy-wide.

edit: It's either that, or a Deus Ex Machina. Which is worse?

It doesn't have to be one or the other. I think it's pretty clear though that if we just assembled a massive fleet and threw them at the Reapers, we'd lose.

If a Reaper can one-shot a dreadnaught with its main gun every 5 seconds, and has 10-11 Thanix Cannons that fire every 3 seconds that can one shot anything smaller than a dreadnaught, we would face HUGE losses in just the opening minutes. Meanwhile, their shields 'are invulnerable to dreadnaught fire'; while they can be whittled down, we know it would take hundreds of kilotons of force to bring down the shields of even one Reaper.

Their shields and weapons are just too strong to face in a straight up fight.

Which is why we're going to have to rescue Miranda from TIM and do a Lazarus on Jeff Goldblum, so he can upload a virus to the Reaper mothership using his Apple Macintosh

Modifié par marshalleck, 16 septembre 2011 - 05:42 .

[zingro]

marshalleck wrote...

111987 wrote...

el master pr wrote...

111987 wrote...

Nope.

The Reapers are too strong to be beaten like that. Otherwise a species like the Protheans whom had a galactic empire could have just thrown their fleets at the Reapers too, and won.

Looking for a way to beat the Reapers is a main plotpoint in ME3, and I don't see any other way to beat them.

And besides, it could be said that the Protheans never had a chance to organize a counterattack against the Reapers since they most probably deactivated the Mass Relay Network before anyone could act or notice what was going on, effectively cutting off communications galaxy-wide.

edit: It's either that, or a Deus Ex Machina. Which is worse?

It doesn't have to be one or the other. I think it's pretty clear though that if we just assembled a massive fleet and threw them at the Reapers, we'd lose.

If a Reaper can one-shot a dreadnaught with its main gun every 5 seconds, and has 10-11 Thanix Cannons that fire every 3 seconds that can one shot anything smaller than a dreadnaught, we would face HUGE losses in just the opening minutes. Meanwhile, their shields 'are invulnerable to dreadnaught fire'; while they can be whittled down, we know it would take hundreds of kilotons of force to bring down the shields of even one Reaper.

Their shields and weapons are just too strong to face in a straight up fight.

Which is why we're going to have to rescue Miranda from TIM and do a Lazarus on Jeff Goldblum, so he can upload a virus to the Reaper mothership using his Apple Macintosh

haha so true

[Soul Cool]

Gabey5 wrote...
Do you think the reapers can be defeated via a naval victory , even though they have a beachhead on Earth?

Not unless we have a truly stupendous number advantage. Something like 15 to 1 might allow for it, but where in the galaxy would you get all the ships?

If it's something like "Oh, we discovered a lost Prothean fleet that had super-advanced technology that allowed us to advance far beyond what we had before. Not to mention bringing the Prothean fleet here.", I'll be pretty disappointed, though.

[Han Shot First]

Yes.

Shepard is either going to defeat the Reapers on land or in space. And out of the two, on land seems to be the less plausible option. Why would the entire Reaper fleet be on the surface of a single planet?

Personally I'd like to see Shepard destroy the Reapers by somehow luring them into a battle on ground (ok, space) of his own choosing, and somehow triggering a supernova. The Reapers could not survive a supernova. Then again, neither could Shepard. But I'm a fan of tragic heroes.

[SandTrout]

The only hope for a naval victory is a long campaign of brutal hit-and-run tactics aimed at reducing the number of Reapers over a matter of years.

We have no realistic hope for a decisive conventional victory unless we find some exploitable weakness in the Reapers.

[SkittlesKat96]

There probably will be naval fighting against the Reapers but I don't think it will be one big battle against all of the galaxies ships against all of/the majority of the Reapers.

It'll probably be more like this:

'Palaven knows that three Reapers are in the system and are about to attack, fortunately they have a large (larger than the small amount of Turian ships protecting the Citadel at the end of ME 1) fleet plus several powerful orbital laser cannons ready to fight the Reapers off'

So there will probably be lots of small battles like that.

Also you should keep in mind that not all the Reapers are as big as Harbinger and Sovereign...they'll still be hard to fight but with the right battle plan and amount of ships its still possible to beat the Reapers. A lot of battles in history have been very one sided against near impossible odds, I'm sure it is somewhat similar in space combat

[Someone With Mass]

Considering that both the Alliance and turian fleets were almost completely wiped out? Not really.

[Sleepicub09]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Considering that both the Alliance and turian fleets were almost completely wiped out? Not really.

I think the numbers will be different this time

Modifié par Sleepicub09, 16 septembre 2011 - 09:32 .

[Chapity]

It's not impossible. The quarrians have a fleet of over fifty thousand. The Turians protect council space, so gotta have some numbers there. Alliance will be pretty punked out by the time the final battle begins, so those numbers wont be much. The salaries have some ships, as do the assari, and who knows what the geth or batarians have. If we threw all we had at it, maybe, but one shot dreadnought guns are like facing a death star in fighters. Wait a minute...does a reaper ship have a small thermal port along it's bow that you could fit a proton torpedo through? May the biotics be with us!!!!

[sael_feman]

This war will involve fleets of ships, rows of heavy guns and some ground battles too.

S'F'

[marstor05]

SandTrout wrote...

The only hope for a naval victory is a long campaign of brutal hit-and-run tactics aimed at reducing the number of Reapers over a matter of years.

We have no realistic hope for a decisive conventional victory unless we find some exploitable weakness in the Reapers.

Yep!

[BlaCKRodjj]

We would be decimated on a space battle, but I still want one. So is either the "dark citadel" theory victory or a way to download the minds of reapers onto husks on earth

[KotorEffect3]

Well the we aren't going to beat the reapers using conventional means.

[LGTX]

Lure 'em in a system, and make mass relays go boom. I thought Arrival kinda vaguely foreshadowed a possible means of opposing the Reapers.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Soul Cool wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...
Do you think the reapers can be defeated via a naval victory , even though they have a beachhead on Earth?

Not unless we have a truly stupendous number advantage. Something like 15 to 1 might allow for it, but where in the galaxy would you get all the ships?

Not even close.
In an opening salvo, a single reaper take take out 6-7 ships. That's half of your forces gone...just like that.

You'd need at least 50:1. And hope they don't retreat as soon as their shields get low.