Maria Caliban wrote...
This is all Joss Wheden's fault.
Maria Caliban wrote...
Ish beat me to it.I'm not sure the OP understands what "post-modern" means.
Stanley Woo wrote...
Games and stories are fictitious. They are not completely real, and usually aren't even realistic. Note that no one goes to the bathroom or has to eat or sleep, and time flows only when we say it does. Characters are exaggerated, a little melodramatic, and the story is high adventure where the protagonist will ultimately triumph.
He will not age,
will not suffer from gout,
won't be laid up with the pox,
doesn't take a half hour to don his armour,
and speaks in language that is easily understandable and relatable to a modern audience,
which is who we have targeted for this game and who will ultimately buy this game.
Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Well, I still enjoy Origins, even if people don't eat or sleep or yell at you when you ride a horse through their front door. Sometimes I think games are just getting too easy, in that gameplay is becoming more convenient and less interesting.
Modifié par Firky, 17 septembre 2011 - 08:43 .
Firky wrote...
Sounds like someone needs a thorough poisoning.
(PS. Uh, in case anyone actually thinks this is threatening, read my post on the previous page.)
I hated getting caught by poison. Britannia's like Australia or something...everything can kill you!)
Stanley Woo wrote...
Games and stories are fictitious. They are not completely real, and usually aren't even realistic. Note that no one goes to the bathroom or has to eat or sleep, and time flows only when we say it does. Characters are exaggerated, a little melodramatic, and the story is high adventure where the protagonist will ultimately triumph. He will not age, will not suffer from gout, won't be laid up with the pox, doesn't take a half hour to don his armour, and speaks in language that is easily understandable and relatable to a modern audience, which is who we have targeted for this game and who will ultimately buy this game.
It is not a historical simulation, and doesn't even take place on Earth. It is fiction and follows the rules we, its creators, have set out for it. Complaints about it not being "realistic" are generally misguided.
Jean-Funk Van Damme wrote...
Stanley Woo wrote...
Games and stories are fictitious. They are not completely real, and usually aren't even realistic. Note that no one goes to the bathroom or has to eat or sleep, and time flows only when we say it does. Characters are exaggerated, a little melodramatic, and the story is high adventure where the protagonist will ultimately triumph. He will not age, will not suffer from gout, won't be laid up with the pox, doesn't take a half hour to don his armour, and speaks in language that is easily understandable and relatable to a modern audience, which is who we have targeted for this game and who will ultimately buy this game.
It is not a historical simulation, and doesn't even take place on Earth. It is fiction and follows the rules we, its creators, have set out for it. Complaints about it not being "realistic" are generally misguided.
Maybe, but what we got in DAO was a somewhat more realistic approach. And that was one of the very good points in DAO.
In DA2 and - probably as of now - many future installments of DA you turned this approach into the almost complete opposite. But you should already know what people think of this, as there are enough threads regarding problems of the new direction, don't you?
Modifié par DamnThoseDisplayNames, 17 septembre 2011 - 03:51 .
DamnThoseDisplayNames wrote...
DA's design seems to go the way D&D or, say, Magic the Gathering did from past to present. It's something about designer's belief that fiction is about making lines and color of your setting more "fictional", instead of ideas. Sorry, I think I have a right feeling of how's and when's and reasons for that, but not enough understanding to explain it better.
Can give a nice quote about this tendency, though, from a friend of mine: "AD&D is a pint of ale, D&D3 is a light beer, and D&D4 is a pepsi".
There was more an emphasis in Origins that female warriors were unusual. I actually missed that in DA2.element eater wrote...
Stanley's post is a good one
that said I did like the little comments about gender from Sten and Lelianas little story about the lady chevalier things like this didn't seem to occur in da2. I think however that's more because they make the world feel more fleshed out then for anything like historical accuracy or whatever you choose to call it
Well there are reasons for that. When it comes to settings, more details usually is better. I am still astonished how they raped Planescape setting in 4d, for example.There's always a danger of the "old" being fetishized, which tends to happen quite a bit around these parts.
Modifié par DamnThoseDisplayNames, 17 septembre 2011 - 06:49 .
Ceesko wrote...
Just watching the trailer for the new DLC{very hollywood-ish:} gives strength in my opinion that bioware turned its medieval fantasy rpg which was adequately portrayed in DA:O to neither medieval nor fantasy, but simply a postmodernist setting with swords instead of guns. Replacing the weapons with automatic machines will absolutely make no difference.
My feeling and this opinion in general stems from the way characters react to each other, the way they talk like if they were living in the 21th century, they way they react to gender differences as if everyone is unisex, all this defies all climate or logic that bioware tried to establish in DAO. It simply lost its feelings; it doesn't feel like a fantasy anymore, just a bizarre mish-mash between a modernistic setting and a medieval one.
Just my opinion.
Modifié par FedericoV, 18 septembre 2011 - 12:09 .
FedericoV wrote...
But I admit that maybe they have gone too far and that something good has been lost along the way. I mean, just like Abercrombie take on fantasy, there is no element of romanticism, there is no "sense of wonder". Is that the point where your "it's post-modern", "it's not fantasy anymore", originates? Well', if that's the case, it's a very difficult balance. But what I would like to see in DA3 in term of setting and presentation of the game is something that tries to blend the uniqueness of DA2 without loosing those moments of sense of wonder that are part of the romantic roots of the fantasy genre. DA2 tried too hard to look cool, young, new and badass. It's not necessary to feel fresh.
Modifié par Ceesko, 19 septembre 2011 - 01:27 .
Modifié par Ceesko, 19 septembre 2011 - 01:21 .
SkittlesKat96
to be honest if I was playing a medieval/fantasy game where everybody spoke like the characters in 'A Song Of Ice And Fire/A Game of Thrones' then I would feel very weird. Or if the characters spoke exaggeratedly like people from a Shakespeare play, or etc.
Modifié par DamnThoseDisplayNames, 19 septembre 2011 - 01:34 .
Stanley Woo wrote...
We're not talking about postmodernism here, though, are we? We're talking about anachronism, where modern concepts and language are used instead of what we believe a medieval setting should use.
If that is the case, then of course we're going to use somewhat anachronistic concepts and language. The game, while set in a medieval-ish European-ish setting, is made for a modern audience to enjoy. You don't want people speaking in late Middle / early Modern English, as not everyone is familiar with such language. You also don't want realism because it's usually the antithesis of fun.
Games and stories are fictitious. They are not completely real, and usually aren't even realistic. Note that no one goes to the bathroom or has to eat or sleep, and time flows only when we say it does. Characters are exaggerated, a little melodramatic, and the story is high adventure where the protagonist will ultimately triumph. He will not age, will not suffer from gout, won't be laid up with the pox, doesn't take a half hour to don his armour, and speaks in language that is easily understandable and relatable to a modern audience, which is who we have targeted for this game and who will ultimately buy this game.
It is not a historical simulation, and doesn't even take place on Earth. It is fiction and follows the rules we, its creators, have set out for it. Complaints about it not being "realistic" are generally misguided. Discussion of real-world religions, sexual politics are not only inappropriate for the setting, but for the forum as well. Let's keep it game-related.
SkittlesKat96 wrote...
I think I agree with what Stanley said...to be honest if I was playing a medieval/fantasy game where everybody spoke like the characters in 'A Song Of Ice And Fire/A Game of Thrones' then I would feel very weird. Or if the characters spoke exaggeratedly like people from a Shakespeare play, or etc.
Addai67 wrote...
There were female fighters in real medieval history, too, and in ancient history. They were few and far between, but this is basically what the DA lore is, too. Or was, prior to DA2. They may be changing it. You did at least have some consistency with the Qunari.
Gibb_Shepard wrote...
Ha, you kinow everything doesn't have to be modernised in order for the audience to enjoy it. Hell, people play medieval game to get a sense of medieval realism. Look at the Witcher 2, modernised to be understandable but still retains a sense of realism about the whole thing.
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