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[WolfForce99]

I think that the Alliance is keeping secret info about the Protheans and not telling the Council and the other races. I think that the info is at the Prothean ruins on Mars. With solders like Ashly in the Alliance who think humanity has to do it alone and hate aliens. They want to give humanity the edge over the other races. This could be the data that Kasumi's partner got a hold of. I think that Kasumi's, partner's data is more damaging to the Alliance, not humanity as a whole.

[Sandbox47]

Right, I'll humour you. There is info that the alliance is holding out on the rest. There is about twice kas much edge-giving data that the Salarians are keeping down. The Quarians are enigmatic for the rest of the galaxy. I don't really think that a few hidden things will change the balance of power.

[Arokel]

Sandbox47 wrote...

Right, I'll humour you. There is info that the alliance is holding out on the rest. There is about twice kas much edge-giving data that the Salarians are keeping down. The Quarians are enigmatic for the rest of the galaxy. I don't really think that a few hidden things will change the balance of power.

You are right.  The Shadow Broker ensured (idk if Liara continued this) that all the secrets balanced out.  Of course they could have an advantage in the fact that the Alliance military appears to be the only one prerparing for the invasion.

Modifié par Arokel, 16 septembre 2011 - 04:05 .

[ddv.rsa]

WolfForce99 wrote...

I think that Kasumi's, partner's data is more damaging to the Alliance, not humanity as a whole.

Practically speaking, the Alliance is humanity.

[lovgreno]

ddv.rsa wrote...

WolfForce99 wrote...

I think that Kasumi's, partner's data is more damaging to the Alliance, not humanity as a whole.

Practically speaking, the Alliance is humanity.

Well outside Earth (where we still find the wast majority of humanity) itself at least. Earth is still quite a politacly fractured place where the Alliance have little power.

Modifié par lovgreno, 16 septembre 2011 - 04:31 .

[lovgreno]

Montezuma IV wrote...


Little power? The representation of humanity in the universe has little power over it's home-planet? I highly doubt it.

The Alliance is a mostly military organisation to protect human interests outside of Earth if I got it right. The game implies that different human nations are still very much at eachothers throats and this rivalty has even spread to colonies in the Terminus systems.

[Someone With Mass]

Save the Alliance to save the galaxy? Sure. If that's what it takes.

[capn233]

ddv.rsa wrote...

WolfForce99 wrote...

I think that Kasumi's, partner's data is more damaging to the Alliance, not humanity as a whole.

Practically speaking, the Alliance is humanity.

I thought Cerberus was humanity?

[Kaiser Shepard]

ddv.rsa wrote...

WolfForce99 wrote...

I think that Kasumi's, partner's data is more damaging to the Alliance, not humanity as a whole.

Practically speaking, the Alliance is humanity.

Cerberus is humanity.

In any case, I'm fairly certain that Keiji's memories will ultimately prove to be from the project Kenson was on.

[el master pr]

I don't think saving the Alliance is a pre-requisite to save the galaxy. And anyway, we don't know the military power the Alliance has after the invasion of Earth. It could be devastated, for all we know.

The Alliance has shown to have a very spineless attitude. Shepard died, and they essentially went like "Shepard's dead, kthxbai". I play Paragon, but if they get in my way in ME3 they're gonna regret it.

[ddv.rsa]

el master pr wrote...

The Alliance has shown to have a very spineless attitude. Shepard died, and they essentially went like "Shepard's dead, kthxbai".

What were they supposed to do? When someone dies one has no choice but to accept it and move forward.

[LGTX]

el master pr wrote...

Shepard died, and they essentially went like "Shepard's dead, kthxbai".

Uh...

If they hadn't done that, they'd be idiots. 

Modifié par LGTX, 16 septembre 2011 - 07:05 .

[el master pr]

ddv.rsa wrote...

el master pr wrote...

The Alliance has shown to have a very spineless attitude. Shepard died, and they essentially went like "Shepard's dead, kthxbai".

What were they supposed to do? When someone dies one has no choice but to accept it and move forward.

I don't know, maybe they could have started an actual investigation as to why Shepard died? Or maybe, not take apart everything Shepard had achieved? Or starting to take a look at this Reaper thread?

[Someone With Mass]

el master pr wrote...

I don't know, maybe they could have started an actual investigation as to why Shepard died? Or maybe, not take apart everything Shepard had achieved? Or starting to take a look at this Reaper thread?

Even if they knew why Shepard died, there'd be little they could do about it besides closing shop and move on.

[LGTX]

el master pr wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...

el master pr wrote...

The Alliance has shown to have a very spineless attitude. Shepard died, and they essentially went like "Shepard's dead, kthxbai".

What were they supposed to do? When someone dies one has no choice but to accept it and move forward.

I don't know, maybe they could have started an actual investigation as to why Shepard died? 

You know how Shepard died, right? While doing the exact same thing?

[eye basher]

It's the same as garrus and everyone else shepard dies and what does he do goes to omega to kill criminals what about that fleet of ancient warships that's coming to kill everyone it's that not more important that a bunch of petty thugs.

[ddv.rsa]

el master pr wrote...

I don't know, maybe they could have started an actual investigation as to why Shepard died? Or maybe, not take apart everything Shepard had achieved? Or starting to take a look at this Reaper thread?

Shepard was on the Normandy when it was destroyed. Case open and closed. I can also understand them not hanging around to search for remains that might not even exist. Too risky in the Terminus.

As for who destroyed the Normandy, how should they have followed that up? The Collectors were long gone by the time help arrived.

Lastly, until Arrival there isn't any solid proof of the Reapers. Without being Shepard and experiencing everything first hand, chalking everything up to a geth attack is an understandable response. No one wants to believe the worst. Especially when years pass and there's still no sign of the Reapers.

[el master pr]

In fact he died investigating the disappearance of other ships, while taking a break from eliminating pockets of Geth resistance. The Normandy, their most advanced frigate, was destroyed, along with their most important symbol. Even Joker and Chakwas were disillusioned with the Alliance's reaction to Shepard's death, not to mention Ken & Gabby and any other ex-Alliance personnel in the SR-2 that hadn't been mentioned in ME2. I am not looking for anyone to understand me or support my opinion, but I do want to make it clear that I am not saying this without having looked for explanations to that behavior. It's just something that baffles me.

[JGDD]

ddv.rsa wrote...

No one wants to believe the worst.

Think it bears mentioning that this is sort of inaccurate. Most military organizations world wide believe the exact opposite or they wouldn't be in business. They are around for a reason and it's because they expect the worst.

/segue

Modifié par justgimmedudedammit, 16 septembre 2011 - 07:35 .

[ddv.rsa]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...

No one wants to believe the worst.

Think it bears mentioning that this is sort of inaccurate. Most military organizations world wide believe the exact opposite or they wouldn't be in business. They are around for a reason and it's because they expect the worst.

/segue

Yeah... not to the point of buying into unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. What do people do everytime some fringe religious group predicts the end of the world?

The biggest reason to believe the Reapers are coming is personal trust in Shepard. That can never be enough to guide government policy, but at least it is enough for guys like Hackett and Anderson to do what they can.

[WolfForce99]

Arokel wrote...

Sandbox47 wrote...

Right, I'll humour you. There is info that the alliance is holding out on the rest. There is about twice kas much edge-giving data that the Salarians are keeping down. The Quarians are enigmatic for the rest of the galaxy. I don't really think that a few hidden things will change the balance of power.

You are right.  The Shadow Broker ensured (idk if Liara continued this) that all the secrets balanced out.  Of course they could have an advantage in the fact that the Alliance military appears to be the only one prerparing for the invasion.

Not necessarily, though the Shadow Broker's info gathering is quite large and quite good. That does not mean that the Alliance does not have any secrets that are still a secret  from the Shadow Broker. And even if the Shadow Broker does know everything that the Alliance knows. They still would not be able to decipher any of that info.

If the Alliance has info on how to defeat the Reapers, they would not know it. The Alliance should have sent Shepard to the Protheans ruins on Mars after the events of ME 1 to decipher the Prothean info. But they choose not to believe that Shepard can understand and read Prothean after the events that happened on Illos. They also would have known that Shepard would have gone to Anderson, Udina, and/or the Council. And they would also know that Shepard believes strongly in working with the other races, whom they do not want to share info with. So even if they believe Shepard they weren't going to share a possible advantage. (I chose the paragon path.)

[Anacronian Stryx]

ddv.rsa wrote...

el master pr wrote...

The Alliance has shown to have a very spineless attitude. Shepard died, and they essentially went like "Shepard's dead, kthxbai".

What were they supposed to do? When someone dies one has no choice but to accept it and move forward.

Well duh.. guard their corpse until they respawn of cause!!...

[atheelogos]

lovgreno wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...


Little power? The representation of humanity in the universe has little power over it's home-planet? I highly doubt it.

The Alliance is a mostly military organisation to protect human interests outside of Earth if I got it right. The game implies that different human nations are still very much at eachothers throats and this rivalty has even spread to colonies in the Terminus systems.

It doesn't matter that nations still exist. Most of the Alliance is on Earth... Hell just do the math and you'll see that.

[Izhalezan]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

In any case, I'm fairly certain that Keiji's memories will ultimately prove to be from the project Kenson was on.

I'm gonna stick with my speculation that the Allaince did all the illegal salvage of Soverign and rebuilt it for weapons tests.