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The mysteries of Dragon Age
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 03:36
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I'm sure this has been plenty discussed(there was a discussion i found that ended six months ago, http://social.biowar...index/6488581/1 ), but I just heard Sandal's prophecy, and started thinking(search it if you havent heard it). What about the interaction between Maric and Flemeth in "The Stolen Throne", and its implications on the story? What about Luthias Dwarfson? When the ash warrior tells you the story in Ostagar, after falling in love with Scea, "During a feast between the tribal leaders of the Alamarri and the Avvar, the beautiful and powerful Avvar chieftain, Morrighan'nan, became enamored with Luthias and seduced him"? That had to be Flemeth, or Morrigan right? So is their a child from Luthias and Flemeth or morrigan? Finally, what about the ending to DLC Legacy? Was the golden city real? Is Corypheus delusional, or was he really one of the tevinter magisters that entered and corrupted the Golden City? Could Sandal be a son of Flemeth and grey warden dwarf? ughhh....sooo many questions!
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 04:07
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Posted this seperate topic but thought to add it here as well:
Just read the codex entries for item pack 2. Wow! Bioware has gone out if its way to hint to us about future events. Among many things, the codex mentions Fiona and a search for an elven fortress visited by Maric and the wardens, it mentions Kell, from "The Calling" (the bow in item pack belonged to him), it even mentions how King Maric died! Or did he? It says he, "disappeared at sea while en route to wycome in 9:25 Dragon....Teyrn Loghain spent almost two years searching for his lost friend...the search was futile...to this day, rumors insist that Maric is still alive, perhaps held in an Orlesian prison somewhere." WTF?!? Is bioware throwing us a red herring? Or will we see more of Maric. or at least what happened to him in the future?
Just read the codex entries for item pack 2. Wow! Bioware has gone out if its way to hint to us about future events. Among many things, the codex mentions Fiona and a search for an elven fortress visited by Maric and the wardens, it mentions Kell, from "The Calling" (the bow in item pack belonged to him), it even mentions how King Maric died! Or did he? It says he, "disappeared at sea while en route to wycome in 9:25 Dragon....Teyrn Loghain spent almost two years searching for his lost friend...the search was futile...to this day, rumors insist that Maric is still alive, perhaps held in an Orlesian prison somewhere." WTF?!? Is bioware throwing us a red herring? Or will we see more of Maric. or at least what happened to him in the future?
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 04:09
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In regards to that child, it's believed that Flemeth seduces men to have a daughter to raise and eventually possess, so yes it likely was her and no, it's likely the child no longer exists.
I can see the quest for Maric being DA2 DLC though, it *would* be nice to find out what happened to him.
I can see the quest for Maric being DA2 DLC though, it *would* be nice to find out what happened to him.
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 04:16
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In regards to Corypheus, I'm of the opinion that the Golden City was corrupted right from the start and it was the city that corrupted the magisters first, not the magisters corrupting the city. I do believe that he was one of the original Tevinter magisters whole heartedly however, given his power, his prayers to Dumat and his attire.
It's interesting quite how similar Corypheus is to the Architect though, they even appeared to be dressed the same so maybe the Architect too is one of the original Tevinter magisters since he bears the same warped but once human features and Tevinter robes not to mention sentience and power over the Darkspawn. Though if he was one, I imagine he was much weaker than Corypheus since Corypheus seemed to exert more power over the darkspawn and seemed far more powerful in general.
It's interesting quite how similar Corypheus is to the Architect though, they even appeared to be dressed the same so maybe the Architect too is one of the original Tevinter magisters since he bears the same warped but once human features and Tevinter robes not to mention sentience and power over the Darkspawn. Though if he was one, I imagine he was much weaker than Corypheus since Corypheus seemed to exert more power over the darkspawn and seemed far more powerful in general.
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 04:23
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I thought that about The Architect as well, even more i just read another Codex saying King Calenhad also disappeared. What's with the two most important Kings of Ferelden vanishing?
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 04:28
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With Maric I reckon it's case of including him (or his remains) at a later date in the series, with King Calenhad it's a reference to King Arthur, the once and future king, so really there's no ruling him ou of cropping up at some point again either 
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 07:18
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Yeah, I had read an old discussion about King Arthur and DA, I like that. There still remains the question of where did "The Warden" go, or "disappear" at the end of Witch hunt? We believe it has something to do with the fade and the taint, but dont know exactly where they went. Could it be the same place as Maric? Maric wondered of he had acquired "the taint" at the end of "Stolen Throne", from either the deep roads or the amulets they were tricked into wearing. Even more, there was some speculation that Morrigan is Maric's daughter, conceived the night that Flemeth meets Maric and Loghain, helping them escape the Orlesians. Plus the fact that Alistair is really the child of the King and a grey warden, Fiona. There isnt much info on the children of grey warden's, besides the dark ritual and the baby.
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 07:19
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im sure this has been covered extensively throughout this forum, but I hadnt checked in months so i started it again 
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 07:36
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I'm pretty sure Corypheus was one of the magisters. I don't know why he'd mistakenly think he was if he wasn't. Whether the city was already black or the city was golden I don't know. I've gone back and forth on the implication of his words. Same with the Architect, the similarity between the two is unmistakeable, but beyond their appearance they don't seem much alike. Corypheus seems to think of himself as a tevinter and the Architect thinks of himself as a darkspawn. If the Architect was a magister, I'd say he's long forgotten because he doesn't seem to act like a human anymore. He says he doesn't even understand non-darkspawn anymore.
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 07:54
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The dwarves are crucial to all of this because it is them who deal with the darkspawn constantly throughout their lives. Darkspawn are an everyday problem for them so there has to be so much that has taken place between dwarves and darkspawn that nobody above the surface knows about, except for they grey wardens in wheisshaupt. Hmm, Sandal, Sandal, Sandal, what are you.....
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 08:22
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I don't have any hard evidence to back this up, but I have a strong hunch that the Golden/Black City = Arlathan. There are some juicy tidbits in DA's lore that point to this possibly being the case - the Dalish Elf origin sort of set me on the path toward this belief, as Tamlen mentions seeing a city underground consumed in blackness when he touches the Eluvian (which also corrupts Tamlen and the DE Warden shortly thereafter).
The Tevinters were known to be jealous of the elves, and sought to overtake Arlathan and the rest of the elves' empire. When they invaded Arlathan, however, something happened that caused the city to sink beneath the earth. What caused this to happen is still unclear, but a codex entry states that blood magic, demons, and dragons were involved in the invasion. This all somehow managed to cause Arlathan to sink underground - and, assuming that my hunch is correct, causes the "Golden City" to turn black.
It was also the Old God Dumat that taught the Tevinter magisters the blood magic they'd end up using against the elves - and it was the Old Gods who promised the Tevinters the "Golden City." So the roots of the fall of Arlathan and the rise of the Tevinter Imperium all trace back to the Old Gods, and specifically Dumat (who also allegedly went on to become the first Archdemon - though there is apparently no proof that this was actually the case).
Fen'Harel is also extensively mentioned throughout the tales of Arlathan and its fall - this entity was supposed to be a "trickster" who deceived both the elven gods and the "Forgotten Ones" (who I suspect are actually the Old Gods), convincing the elven gods to retreat into the heavens and the Forgotten Ones to retreat into the "abyss." Fen'Harel then sealed them both off so none of them could interfere in Thedas ever again (remember that the Old Gods are supposed to be imprisoned beneath the earth - I doubt this is a coincidence).
I'm also pretty sure the elves already knew blood magic, and used it to attain their so-called "immortality" - this notion is reinforced by the actions of Zathrian and Avernus, both blood mages who somehow managed to extend their lifespans far beyond what is natural. Once Arlathan fell, the elves were enslaved, and thus would've lost access to the magic they'd been using to maintain their "immortality."
Again, I have no proof for any of this. I could be (and probably am) wrong about a lot of this. But that's my theory as of now.
The Tevinters were known to be jealous of the elves, and sought to overtake Arlathan and the rest of the elves' empire. When they invaded Arlathan, however, something happened that caused the city to sink beneath the earth. What caused this to happen is still unclear, but a codex entry states that blood magic, demons, and dragons were involved in the invasion. This all somehow managed to cause Arlathan to sink underground - and, assuming that my hunch is correct, causes the "Golden City" to turn black.
It was also the Old God Dumat that taught the Tevinter magisters the blood magic they'd end up using against the elves - and it was the Old Gods who promised the Tevinters the "Golden City." So the roots of the fall of Arlathan and the rise of the Tevinter Imperium all trace back to the Old Gods, and specifically Dumat (who also allegedly went on to become the first Archdemon - though there is apparently no proof that this was actually the case).
Fen'Harel is also extensively mentioned throughout the tales of Arlathan and its fall - this entity was supposed to be a "trickster" who deceived both the elven gods and the "Forgotten Ones" (who I suspect are actually the Old Gods), convincing the elven gods to retreat into the heavens and the Forgotten Ones to retreat into the "abyss." Fen'Harel then sealed them both off so none of them could interfere in Thedas ever again (remember that the Old Gods are supposed to be imprisoned beneath the earth - I doubt this is a coincidence).
I'm also pretty sure the elves already knew blood magic, and used it to attain their so-called "immortality" - this notion is reinforced by the actions of Zathrian and Avernus, both blood mages who somehow managed to extend their lifespans far beyond what is natural. Once Arlathan fell, the elves were enslaved, and thus would've lost access to the magic they'd been using to maintain their "immortality."
Again, I have no proof for any of this. I could be (and probably am) wrong about a lot of this. But that's my theory as of now.
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 11:10
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thats a pretty good explanation. Def one to think about more, especially the idea of The Old Gods against the Ancient Elves. I like the theory that Arlathan could be the golden city...
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 11:22
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It could also be possible that the Old Gods weren't involved with the Tevinter Imperium at all. Fen'Harel was able to pass himself off as an Old God according to the codex, and he may have impersonated Dumat in the first place and "promised" the Tevinter magisters that they could have the "Golden City" (only to be "betrayed" if what Corypheus mentions in Legacy is true).
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