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[Nerdage]

blothulfur wrote...

Under the Qun, every child shall be tested extensively for their aptitude and appointed a task which suits their abilities and that shall be the only limit for their advancement. If they can excel, then they shall be allowed to and encouraged to do so rather than be shackled to a plough until death. If they are born to rule, then they shall, no matter the "quality" of their blood or their childish faith in a maker..

Unless their skills lie outside the roles arbitrarily assigned to their gender, of course. Neither my Warden nor my Hawke would make great priests, artisans or shopkeepers.

Interesting though the Qun is, it's clearly a cult.

[Quething]

nerdage wrote...
Unless their skills lie outside the roles arbitrarily assigned to their gender, of course. Neither my Warden nor my Hawke would make great priests, artisans or shopkeepers.

Interesting though the Qun is, it's clearly a cult.

My Cousland would actually make a pretty good priest I think, and my mainHawke would be a decent artisan, if "artisan" includes smithcraft. Melody even feels fairly similarly about the Cousland family blade as Sten does about Asala. (You know, as absurd as mage!f!Hawke being called a leader of warriors in that quest is, I always thought it was even more absurd that he's like "this is your soul, if you lose it you're soulless." Like... I'm pretty sure you don't get to give me my soul, dude. I have a sword made for my hand right here. The fact that you can now even have Hawke's Key when you do that quest makes it triply ridiculous.)

Not to say they'd make good Qunari, of course. They're both even better at killing sh!t and bossing other warriors around and not apt to let people cut out the tongues of their lovers/siblings.

Modifié par Quething, 17 septembre 2011 - 12:12 .

[blothulfur]

There are many roles in the body, mind and soul of the Qun, and many more are created as new needs arise. Those to which men are suited are given to them and those to which women are suited are likewise appointed (and many exist that are open to both genders,) this is not done without thought however.

For instance many ask why there are no qunari women soldiers, it is not only that men are physically stronger and larger (in many battles this advantage is negated through circumstance) but also because females are capable of childbirth and carrying on the most promising bloodlines of the brightest and best. One does not throw away the promise of tomorrow for the satisfaction of shedding blood today. Indeed there are women of the ben hassrath whose knowledge of weaponry, speed and skill are terrifying to behold but they must always realise that we are not a populous species like the humans and so we must guard our resources and precious future.

Once again I ask, what would the serf toiling endlessly in the fields for some tyranical noble prefer: A chance to prove his worth and take up a vocation suiting him and no longer have to bend the neck to anyone let alone inbred swine or to be cattle to his masters wishes, enslaved until death when his children shall take his place bound forever by class and bloodline.

Such slavery cannot and must not endure, why do you argue for such tyranny when the Qun offers freedom and fulfilment for all. Do the bas fear the responsibility of freedom and personal responsibility, do they not wish to grow beyond childish servitude and forge their own fate.

Modifié par blothulfur, 17 septembre 2011 - 12:46 .

[Nerdage]

Righty ho...


I'll be over there. Goodbye.

[blothulfur]

Ta ta.

[Shadow Fox]

This is a troll thread isn't it?*goes back to playing Oblivion*

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 17 septembre 2011 - 01:33 .

[blothulfur]

No.

[TEWR]

Quething wrote...

I wonder where people get this impression that the Qunari actually test people for aptitude. Sten says everybody does what they're most fit to do, but Sten also finds it incomprehensible that a man would be a fit philosopher or a woman a fit warrior (and of course a mage is not a fit anything but mage-ing, which makes it epic hilarious in DA2 when your female mage!Hawk finishes collecting swords and gets told she'd be a proud hunter and leader under the Qun). Seems fairly clear that their role assignments are as arbitrary as any other society in Thedas, and if they do do any "testing" it's not exactly the vigorous or comprehensive sort.

The Tamassrans evaluate the Qunari and assign them to what role they are best suited for. That becomes their role for their lives, and they cannot change that.

[lobi]

I guess there is only one thing left to say, youtu.be/VEuJ3dLLYco

[Quething]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The Tamassrans evaluate the Qunari and assign them to what role they are best suited for. That becomes their role for their lives, and they cannot change that.

"Evaluate" has a slightly different nuance than "test." Either way, we don't know the criteria. We do know they're clearly not objective, since they restrict along lines of gender and magic ability.

[TEWR]

Quething wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The Tamassrans evaluate the Qunari and assign them to what role they are best suited for. That becomes their role for their lives, and they cannot change that.

"Evaluate" has a slightly different nuance than "test." Either way, we don't know the criteria. We do know they're clearly not objective, since they restrict along lines of gender and magic ability.

It's probably something along the lines of a physical fitness test, an intellectual test on how to work with their technology, and various other things. Then, whatever they do best in is where they are placed.

They also can be promoted within their given role. A Sten for instance can become the Arishok (something I hope our Sten will become).

Blothulfur, what are your thoughts on Sten becoming the new Arishok?

[Augustei]

blothulfur wrote...
The Qun is all.

Thedas's "Great" society is nothing more than Hissra. Its leaders holding no more knowledge than Imekari. Many Qunari begin to believe they will resist greatly and never truely become one of the Qun, instead forever remaining Kabethari. Kata is all such people shall be granted and Meravas. A Qunari controlled thedas is Asit-tal-eb

Those who shall resist be left with these words: Shok ebasit hissra. Meraad astaarit, meraad itwasit, aban aqun. Maraas shokra. Anaan esaam Qun

[Urzon]

nerdage wrote...
Interesting though the Qun is, it's clearly a cult.

A cult isn't really a good or bad thing. All the major religions started off as a cult at sometime or another. They have only been stigmatized because if there is one thing a religion doesn't like is their followers converting to another one.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

The Qun certainly has its plusses, but far many more minuses, for my liking. It's an creed/society that is due for stagnation, something I find much worse than chaos.

The fact that someone is stuck in a role/career based on the evaluation of a priest or other civil authority is enough for me to just say no to it.

[blothulfur]

Skadi nothing can be taken in isolation, compare our way where the tamassran judge and watch a child until the time of choosing has come to the Thedas way of dooming all to a class and role no matter there skill or ability. We offer a chance to excel and become great through ambition and talent, the bas offer only slavery to a barbaric code of illogical repression.

Look at Teyrn Loghain MacTir who were it not for happenstance and tribulation would still slave in anonymity for a foolish Bann waging petty wars over trifles, how many more born leaders and talented individuals are kept shackled to the land so that blubberous fools may profit from their slavery. The bas waste their best and brightest.

Ethereal, the sten veteran who returned from the blight with scars, skills and most importantly knowledge is a fine warrior and dedicated follower of the Qun but the path to the triumvirate is long and dangerous. Beset by the temptations of pride and influence the candidate must be watched and balanced in the scales lest his smallest flaw one day wounds the body of the Qun.

[GodWood]

This man speaks talan.


Anaan esaam Qun!

[blothulfur]

Thank you GodWood, one tries to provide logical and revelatory arguments.

Modifié par blothulfur, 17 septembre 2011 - 01:29 .

[Urzon]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

The Qun certainly has its plusses, but far many more minuses, for my liking. It's an creed/society that is due for stagnation, something I find much worse than chaos.

The fact that someone is stuck in a role/career based on the evaluation of a priest or other civil authority is enough for me to just say no to it.

The Qun does have its +/-'s and being stuck in a set role/career is by far the worse, but the Qun is anything but than stagnate though. Their whole society is based on bettering themselves to better the whole (or visa versa).  The Qun seeming to be in a constant state of scientific progression, since they are the only other people, other than the dwarves, to not rely on magic for everything.

[TEWR]

The Qun's biggest minus is the lack of cookies.

[Urzon]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The Qun's biggest minus is the lack of cookies.

That has since changed when Sten the Glorious Bringer of Cookies returned from Ferelden. May he be honored upon his death for bettering the Qun is such a way!!!!

[TEWR]

Urzon wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The Qun's biggest minus is the lack of cookies.

That has since changed when Sten the Glorious Bringer of Cookies returned from Ferelden. May he be honored upon his death for bettering the Qun is such a way!!!!

If that's not enough to promote him to Arishok, I don't know what is.


Though cookies will inevitably be the downfall of the Qunari

[Stoomkal]

Dammit...

Half way through that first post I was standing on my desk screaming "Vive la revolution!"...

Then at the end, the dude turns around and says... "Have you heard of the Church of the Latter Day Qun?"

Dammit... another false prophet confuses freedom with happy slavery...

I'm going back to the horned chick... no, the other one!

[Boiny Bunny]

If you utterly ignore the comments about the Qun (which appear to be made in jest) - the OP does make a good point. DA2 goes out of it's way to make you feel sorry for the poor mages, and ensures that this is reinforced by filling the game with templars who abuse their power at every opportunity - but there are many in Thedas who are far worse off than mages could ever be.

I guess 'mage vs templar' is a little more interesting from a plot point of view however, than 'peasant rebellion'

[Xilizhra]

Blothulfur... this is what you sound like to the rest of us:

>Altharius, which meant in the ancient inscrutible eldar tongue THe Most Elegant of Nobility in The Arts of Graceful Warfare and Majestic Pottery pointed his elegant weapon at the apish space marines, the squad ripped apart by a graceful hail of deadly shuriken fire, the advanced psycho reactive monomolecular wraithbone edges ripped apart their crude armor like a swarm of vengeful wraithbees defending their spirithoney from the starbears of ancient eldar mythology.

>Still for every crudely clad clunky stupid clumsy monkey marine killed, a dozen swarmed in to take its place. Their clumsy boxcars puttered slowly towards the elegant firing lines of the most ancient eldritch elegant Eldar, blown away by graceful deadly brilliant lances of energy from the vengeful lances of the glorious guardian squad Thethaliusomis which meant in the ancient Eldar tongue The Squad of Most Righteous Invincible Unwavering Noble Craftsmen Who Craft Death as Elegantly As Their Earthenware.

>Altharius danced gracefully through the clumsy bolts belched by the marine's crude gun, if such a clumsy device could even be called a weapon, dispatching one after another with elegant sweeps of his monomolecular finely crafted gem encrusted graceful blade made from the psychoreactive wraithbone, testament to the Eldar psychic and technological mastery.

>A stray bolt shell farted through the air and struck Altharius upon his noble chest, but the amazing psycho reactive wraithbone armor of the Eldar which was as flexible as the most sheer silk elegantly shifted and hardened harder than the hardest of hardturtles of ancient Eldar mythology to deflect the crude monkeyshot, veering it into the face of another clumsy marine standing beside him.

>Altharius then somersaulted through the air dancing across the sky like the great elegant hunting falcons of Eldar mythology and in his descent his elegant heel caved in the helmet of one of the crude armor clad monkeys and used the building momentum to spin cartwheeling towards the leader of the marines, a great ugly brute with crooked teeth and a lazy eye and ruddy wrinkly skin his crude armor garishly covered in seals and with the crudely banged out symbol of his clumsy god emperor scrawled upon his crude armor. The simple creature's dumb farm animal eyes widened in fear as the spinning whirlwind of eldritch ancient elegant destruction spun towards him and in a graceful flash of majestic advanced wraithbone he was cut cleanly in two by the elegant gem encrusted monomolecular edge. Its kidneys, backup kidneys, secondary kidneys, and delux double black kidneys all fell out of his body with a disgusting ploop.

>Their leader dead, the marines hopped back into their boxes and puttered away, but there would be no escape for the crude monkeys as their clumsy retreat was cut apart by an elegant hail of deadly monomolecular shuriken discs and graceful lances of light that cut through the air like the legendary glowwyrms of eldar mythology which once aided The Ancient Mythological Eldar God Vaul as he got lost in the spiritwoods in the legendary mythologies of the eldar's ancient past.

>Altharius was glad the war was over and looked forward to returning to walking the graceful path of the potter which staved off the temptations of slaanesh but he walked a razor's edge between indulgence and the trappings of the path which the brilliant eldar mind could fall to such was the tragedy of his people.

[Camenae]

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