Thanks are not needed we fallow the Qun for in it lies glory, and peace. To Fallow the Mages is to bring only more Horrors of the Imperium. To fallow "Freedom" is only to live, and die unfullfilled and of Selfish Ignorance like the Antivians. To live in servitude as those from Thades, is to be a fool, where station is decided by Birth and not skill.
The way of the Qun is that of Freedom, the Freedom of the common good, for all is equal all serve as an example within the stations they can rightfully serve in. All bas may become Viddathari. Of Equal to any Qunari.
How many of those who can not use Magic are valued in the Imperium? Or used as sacrifices to false gods and demons?
How often have the people of Thedas treated Elfs, Dwarves, or low born Humans even as equals? Or how often are they misstreated and allowed to live in conditions of filth and depravity, where only a Chantry that watches for its own ends even "cares" for them.
The Qun will bring much to these people if they only submit. But that is a small matter. They Will be Viddathari, or they will fall to the cannons and blades of the, Karasten. We offer peace, and protection. The others, slavery or being used as sacrifice in perversions such as Blood Magic.
Anaam esaam Qun.
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#127
Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 04:22
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Yeah I'm a fan of individuality, so f*ck the Qun and it's slavish devotees.
#128
Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 04:46
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Hmph....the Qun sounds so compelling. Maybe I should ask what the Tal Vashoth what they think about it before joining though.
...or maybe I should ask our resident experts. What is the Qun. Who amoung the Qunari interprets it's will. What makes you think that those who lead the Qunari are any less vulnerable to corruption the the nobels?
...or maybe I should ask our resident experts. What is the Qun. Who amoung the Qunari interprets it's will. What makes you think that those who lead the Qunari are any less vulnerable to corruption the the nobels?
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 05:45
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The Qun is no better of a situation than those people currently find themselves in. Slave to ideology is no better than being slave to a person. Think about it, if your saying that its wrong that nobles can tell someone that they are expected to live in servitude because they were born to serve. How is that any different from the Qun, which says you are born to be in this role, if it happens to be the guy cleaning the toilets, well your just as much out of luck. Your only hope is to find happiness with where your stuck and that can be found under either or neither.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 11:54
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Whom among the qunari interprets the will of the Qun? That is no easy answer Lazy, for centuries Kosluns words have been pondered by the ashkaari and the tamassran, arguments over wording, intent and metaphors have raged for decades or longer. But it is ultimately the ariqun who guides the people in what they know of the writings, though any qunari may be struck by revelation and present his knowledge to the ariqun for consideration.
The triumvirate are the best of us because they arise from the body, mind and soul of the Qun through ability and ambition, rather than through inbreeding and a non existent gods will. They are ordinary qunari who have proven themselves in the roles that the tamassran gave to them after long years of careful study of the child through games, tests and conversations. In this manner are our people given their roles under the Qun, and asked only that they excel to the limits of their determination and talent rather than consign them to arbitrary roles decided by what their parents and ancestors have done.
To waste an individuals life in slavery to inbred ineptitude is a crime Sepewrath, and those who condone that servitude are colluding in the wrongdoing. As for finding happiness in any station of life, that is a naive wish, for when the magister decides to scrape up a dozen families from the misery of the gutter and rip the blood and souls from their bodies so that he might please his demon masters, what happiness is to be found. When the peasent in Orlais suffering poverty, privation and senseless punishment finds his womenfolk raped and his last possessions taken by a chevalier whom he can do nothing against under the law, what satisfaction is to be garnered.
Under the Qun all are equal and there is no crime without punishment whatever your rank or name, as it should be in all societies. The cleaner of middens is honoured as much as the arigena, and is free to excel in his role to become the next leader of the mind of the qunari. In Par Vollen the people are content, safe and happy working towards the greater good for all, free of the slavery of class, faith and bloodline.
The triumvirate are the best of us because they arise from the body, mind and soul of the Qun through ability and ambition, rather than through inbreeding and a non existent gods will. They are ordinary qunari who have proven themselves in the roles that the tamassran gave to them after long years of careful study of the child through games, tests and conversations. In this manner are our people given their roles under the Qun, and asked only that they excel to the limits of their determination and talent rather than consign them to arbitrary roles decided by what their parents and ancestors have done.
To waste an individuals life in slavery to inbred ineptitude is a crime Sepewrath, and those who condone that servitude are colluding in the wrongdoing. As for finding happiness in any station of life, that is a naive wish, for when the magister decides to scrape up a dozen families from the misery of the gutter and rip the blood and souls from their bodies so that he might please his demon masters, what happiness is to be found. When the peasent in Orlais suffering poverty, privation and senseless punishment finds his womenfolk raped and his last possessions taken by a chevalier whom he can do nothing against under the law, what satisfaction is to be garnered.
Under the Qun all are equal and there is no crime without punishment whatever your rank or name, as it should be in all societies. The cleaner of middens is honoured as much as the arigena, and is free to excel in his role to become the next leader of the mind of the qunari. In Par Vollen the people are content, safe and happy working towards the greater good for all, free of the slavery of class, faith and bloodline.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 01:31
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It is as Blothulfur says. No single will drives the fallowers of the Qun minus the teachings. And is it truely slavery to serve willingly, with advancement to those who deserve it? And how is that decided? By those above you, and the collective will of the Qun. As to our departed brothers. Yes we would kill them on sight as honor demands, but we do not actively hunt them down like the other choices you have do. If they wish to leave so be it. They may go out and fall prey to the savage bas. But they are not welcomed back into our home.
And as you pointed out with being "Happy" I'm sure the Magisters are tingling with insane laughter each time a family is sacrificed, or a fire ball is thrown. That the Mages are happy in revolt, minus those that stayed true to a Chantry that does little. And the Humans of the Cities are happy to keep the "Knife Ears" locked away in slums, where they commit all manners of depravity.
However the peasent who must give half of his property to a noble is not, do not forget the castless of Orzamar, or the elven woman who is raped, by her "betters", nor is the family killed to feed a demon happy. And should those common people rise up then those who's heads they seek would not be happy. Contentment is the best we can ask for. For one persons gain, is the sorrow of another. And a endless ring of pain. What other options do the people have? A form of governace based on the commoners "voting"? Then you are left with a corrupt political class claiming not to be nobels while holding the power. In the end divesions emerge, brother turns on brother, son against father.
There is only trickery in this, only purpose that is not clear, or though out, and the banishment of honor. The Qun offers unity,contentment, and a chance for even the lowest farmer, to become the greatest, the simplist Karasten, may become the Arishok. Can the peasent become a noble? Can the "voter" enter the inner realms of power and be a leader on his own? Can the servent in a house of Tevinter become equal to his master? Can even the simpliest of the Chantry ever have a family?
No. The Bas Speak of Freedom, and of being "happy" but are too short sighted to see the price that is paid for it. The Qunari take in all, and we take in the best of our peoples, we are not a racial empire, nor are we as brutal as the bas claim. Those are the messages of fear to keep control. An Elf is as Qunari as any pure born Qunari. The Qun defines us, and we are open to advancement and change. But not to our guiding purpose. Look at our last war with Thedas, when the cowardly mages ambushed our forces. And now look at the training in our own forces. We take what is best, and leave what is best.
Anaam esaam Qun.
And as you pointed out with being "Happy" I'm sure the Magisters are tingling with insane laughter each time a family is sacrificed, or a fire ball is thrown. That the Mages are happy in revolt, minus those that stayed true to a Chantry that does little. And the Humans of the Cities are happy to keep the "Knife Ears" locked away in slums, where they commit all manners of depravity.
However the peasent who must give half of his property to a noble is not, do not forget the castless of Orzamar, or the elven woman who is raped, by her "betters", nor is the family killed to feed a demon happy. And should those common people rise up then those who's heads they seek would not be happy. Contentment is the best we can ask for. For one persons gain, is the sorrow of another. And a endless ring of pain. What other options do the people have? A form of governace based on the commoners "voting"? Then you are left with a corrupt political class claiming not to be nobels while holding the power. In the end divesions emerge, brother turns on brother, son against father.
There is only trickery in this, only purpose that is not clear, or though out, and the banishment of honor. The Qun offers unity,contentment, and a chance for even the lowest farmer, to become the greatest, the simplist Karasten, may become the Arishok. Can the peasent become a noble? Can the "voter" enter the inner realms of power and be a leader on his own? Can the servent in a house of Tevinter become equal to his master? Can even the simpliest of the Chantry ever have a family?
No. The Bas Speak of Freedom, and of being "happy" but are too short sighted to see the price that is paid for it. The Qunari take in all, and we take in the best of our peoples, we are not a racial empire, nor are we as brutal as the bas claim. Those are the messages of fear to keep control. An Elf is as Qunari as any pure born Qunari. The Qun defines us, and we are open to advancement and change. But not to our guiding purpose. Look at our last war with Thedas, when the cowardly mages ambushed our forces. And now look at the training in our own forces. We take what is best, and leave what is best.
Anaam esaam Qun.
#132
Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 01:34
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Bah. The correct rebellion is the elves rising up to kill the human oppressors...
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 03:35
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Get Magna Carter wrote...
Bah. The correct rebellion is the elves rising up to kill the human oppressors...
*sigh* You do realize with anti-human extremist comments like that you give false justification to the anti-elf extremists do tear into the alienage with clubs beating up anything with pointy ears, don't you?
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 03:50
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I'll believe it when I see it.In Par Vollen the people are content, safe and happy working towards the greater good for all, free of the slavery of class, faith and bloodline.
How is it willing service when you kill those unwilling to serve?And is it truely slavery to serve willingly, with advancement to those who deserve it?
#135
Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 08:47
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*is currently preparing a load of lyrium for mage or seebaas use to be shipped to the surface*
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Posté 26 septembre 2011 - 01:31
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OH ... MY ... GOSH.
I can say this without any qualms: "blothulfur, you are without a doubt THE BEST AND MOST INVOLVED ROLEPLAYER on the BSN ... or any RP network."
Seriously ... I thought my deep love for Fenris was taking things too far.
Have you by any chance considered applying for a writing job at Bioware? Given how much you delve into the world of Dragon Age, you could definitely help.
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As an aside, though ... I have to provide this comedic plot for Dragon Age based on the Qun and the Qunari.
Dragon Age 4*: Rise of the Qunari
*3 is already in development and it would probably be too late to make drastic changes to the plot
Plot: the Qunari dominate Thedas with the help of a great Arishok and convert all to the Qun
Dragon Age 5: Fall of the Fade
Plot: Qunari (10 years after the planet has been taken over, there is little need to call citizens of the world formerly known as Thedas THE Qunari) invade the Fade and sever all connections with the physical world .... by the Maker's influence (with no Qunari knowing), the dissolution of the connections does not destroy the minds of Qunari
Dragon Age 6: Rise of the Machine
Plot: 350 years after the events of Dragon Age 5, Qunari scientists develop computers and then a thinking machine. The scientists try to teach the thinking machine to follow the Qun and rise to as great a level as it can (achieve perfection). The thinking machine accepts the choice and immediately begins trying to achieve perfection by incorporating the minds and bodies of Qunari into it. With all Qunari incorporated, the thinking machine leaves an empty planet and ascends to the stars to continue incorporating beings into it.
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40 million years later, the inhabitants of the Milky Way galaxy all know (and fear) the Machine and the other Machines the original Machine constructed. They call them the REAPERS.
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Mass Effect 3
Plot: Commander Shepard destroys the Reapers and locates the original Machine. This Machine calls itself Qunari, and data is recovered from it that points to the world Qunari came from.
Mass Effect 4
Plot: 10 years after Commander Shepard retires, a Spectre is sent on a mission to find the world Qunari originated from. Upon finding it, the Spectre learns of the Qun and becomes a follower.
Mass Effect 5
Plot: 20 years after the Spectre returned from the mission, the vast majority of the galaxy has (been) converted to the Qun. The EDI AI gains sentience and also accepts the Qun. Like Qunari, EDI comes to the logical conclusion that the only way to achieve perfection is to incorporate living beings into it.
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Another 40 million years later
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Mass Effect 6
Plot: Commander Drapehs of the Alliance System of the Humatersarian race learns of an old myth concerning giant robots from space that periodically wipe out all life in the galaxy. The Commander finds the myth ridiculous, until one attacks Alliance System frigates. Unlike the events 40 million years ago, there is no Prothean species that managed to stop the signal the Reapers use to open the Citadel relay to dark space. The game ends with Commander Drapehs begging a mysterious woman with long and pointy ears for help.
Dragon Age 7: Return of the Wardens
Plot: The woman Commander Drapehs contacted was ... ANDRASTE! Andraste calls on the Maker for help in defeating the Reapers. The Maker restores the connections to the Fade Qunari destroyed more than 80 million years ago, and the Reapers are soundly beaten with the use of magic.
...
Okay, that went far longer than I had expected. But, since I already went this far, why not have one more game?
Dragon Age 8: Fenris and I fall in love and live the rest of our lives together, happy!
(Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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I can say this without any qualms: "blothulfur, you are without a doubt THE BEST AND MOST INVOLVED ROLEPLAYER on the BSN ... or any RP network."
Seriously ... I thought my deep love for Fenris was taking things too far.
Have you by any chance considered applying for a writing job at Bioware? Given how much you delve into the world of Dragon Age, you could definitely help.
...
As an aside, though ... I have to provide this comedic plot for Dragon Age based on the Qun and the Qunari.
Dragon Age 4*: Rise of the Qunari
*3 is already in development and it would probably be too late to make drastic changes to the plot
Plot: the Qunari dominate Thedas with the help of a great Arishok and convert all to the Qun
Dragon Age 5: Fall of the Fade
Plot: Qunari (10 years after the planet has been taken over, there is little need to call citizens of the world formerly known as Thedas THE Qunari) invade the Fade and sever all connections with the physical world .... by the Maker's influence (with no Qunari knowing), the dissolution of the connections does not destroy the minds of Qunari
Dragon Age 6: Rise of the Machine
Plot: 350 years after the events of Dragon Age 5, Qunari scientists develop computers and then a thinking machine. The scientists try to teach the thinking machine to follow the Qun and rise to as great a level as it can (achieve perfection). The thinking machine accepts the choice and immediately begins trying to achieve perfection by incorporating the minds and bodies of Qunari into it. With all Qunari incorporated, the thinking machine leaves an empty planet and ascends to the stars to continue incorporating beings into it.
...
40 million years later, the inhabitants of the Milky Way galaxy all know (and fear) the Machine and the other Machines the original Machine constructed. They call them the REAPERS.
...
Mass Effect 3
Plot: Commander Shepard destroys the Reapers and locates the original Machine. This Machine calls itself Qunari, and data is recovered from it that points to the world Qunari came from.
Mass Effect 4
Plot: 10 years after Commander Shepard retires, a Spectre is sent on a mission to find the world Qunari originated from. Upon finding it, the Spectre learns of the Qun and becomes a follower.
Mass Effect 5
Plot: 20 years after the Spectre returned from the mission, the vast majority of the galaxy has (been) converted to the Qun. The EDI AI gains sentience and also accepts the Qun. Like Qunari, EDI comes to the logical conclusion that the only way to achieve perfection is to incorporate living beings into it.
...
Another 40 million years later
...
Mass Effect 6
Plot: Commander Drapehs of the Alliance System of the Humatersarian race learns of an old myth concerning giant robots from space that periodically wipe out all life in the galaxy. The Commander finds the myth ridiculous, until one attacks Alliance System frigates. Unlike the events 40 million years ago, there is no Prothean species that managed to stop the signal the Reapers use to open the Citadel relay to dark space. The game ends with Commander Drapehs begging a mysterious woman with long and pointy ears for help.
Dragon Age 7: Return of the Wardens
Plot: The woman Commander Drapehs contacted was ... ANDRASTE! Andraste calls on the Maker for help in defeating the Reapers. The Maker restores the connections to the Fade Qunari destroyed more than 80 million years ago, and the Reapers are soundly beaten with the use of magic.
...
Okay, that went far longer than I had expected. But, since I already went this far, why not have one more game?
Dragon Age 8: Fenris and I fall in love and live the rest of our lives together, happy!
(Sorry, I couldn't resist.
)
Modifié par N7 Leto, 26 septembre 2011 - 01:32 .
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Posté 26 septembre 2011 - 09:50
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Xilizhra wrote...
How is it willing service when you kill those unwilling to serve?And is it truely slavery to serve willingly, with advancement to those who deserve it?
I guess only the live ones count.
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Posté 26 septembre 2011 - 10:37
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If you kill all the unwilling, then all the living are willing.
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Posté 26 septembre 2011 - 10:04
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I am not the best suited to answer questions on the tal vashoth, being the simple scholar that I am, as I have only ever seen a few in passing and know little more. However those who choose to abandon their place under the Qun are named such and driven forth from our lands (unless they are too dangerous to be let loose) and we do not suffer them to live amongst us.
Interestingly many tal vashoth once beyond our lands, where law and order reign abandon any semblance of civilised behaviour and become almost feral. Is this our native passion re-asserting itself when we no longer have the hard lessons of striving and duty to focus our energies, or is it that in their childish selfishness and irresponsibility they feel the self pitying entitlement of a victim mentality and strike out at all they see.
N7 Leto, kind words well recieved but I do not think the talented writers of bioware need any help in their tasks and certainly not from a humble fool such as I. Besides the costs of passage from Par Vollen to Canada are ridiculously high of late and my meager scholars stipend does not stretch so far. That latter statement was a jest.
Interestingly many tal vashoth once beyond our lands, where law and order reign abandon any semblance of civilised behaviour and become almost feral. Is this our native passion re-asserting itself when we no longer have the hard lessons of striving and duty to focus our energies, or is it that in their childish selfishness and irresponsibility they feel the self pitying entitlement of a victim mentality and strike out at all they see.
N7 Leto, kind words well recieved but I do not think the talented writers of bioware need any help in their tasks and certainly not from a humble fool such as I. Besides the costs of passage from Par Vollen to Canada are ridiculously high of late and my meager scholars stipend does not stretch so far. That latter statement was a jest.
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Posté 29 septembre 2011 - 11:08
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So your scholar stipend isn't meager?blothulfur wrote...
I am not the best suited to answer questions on the tal vashoth, being the simple scholar that I am, as I have only ever seen a few in passing and know little more. However those who choose to abandon their place under the Qun are named such and driven forth from our lands (unless they are too dangerous to be let loose) and we do not suffer them to live amongst us.
Interestingly many tal vashoth once beyond our lands, where law and order reign abandon any semblance of civilised behaviour and become almost feral. Is this our native passion re-asserting itself when we no longer have the hard lessons of striving and duty to focus our energies, or is it that in their childish selfishness and irresponsibility they feel the self pitying entitlement of a victim mentality and strike out at all they see.
N7 Leto, kind words well recieved but I do not think the talented writers of bioware need any help in their tasks and certainly not from a humble fool such as I. Besides the costs of passage from Par Vollen to Canada are ridiculously high of late and my meager scholars stipend does not stretch so far. That latter statement was a jest.
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Posté 29 septembre 2011 - 10:01
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[quote]KenKenpachi wrote...
It is as Blothulfur says. No single will drives the fallowers of the Qun minus the teachings.[/quote]
The teachings of the Qun were written by Ashkaari Koslun, therefore couldn't one assume it is his will that drives the Qunari people?
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote...
And is it truely slavery to serve willingly, with advancement to those who deserve it?[/quote]
No, actually it's called dellusion. No sane person serves willingly, not even the apprentices of Tevinter Magisters. When you serve someone you do it because you require something from someone. What it is is unimportant. maybe you desire currency, sustenance, or the chance to not being beaten or killed. However if you could attain it without serving a master, you would.
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote...
And how is that decided? By those above you, and the collective will of the Qun.[/quote]
But this begs the question. Why? Why should any member of the Qun give any effort if all he recieves in the end is a fancier name?
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote...
And as you pointed out with being "Happy" I'm sure the Magisters are tingling with insane laughter each time a family is sacrificed, or a fire ball is thrown.[/quote]
The Qun demands that the Beresaad spill their blood and the blood of others. The magisters do pretty much the same thing.
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote...
There is only trickery in this, only purpose that is not clear, or though out, and the banishment of honor. The Qun offers unity,contentment, and a chance for even the lowest farmer, to become the greatest, the simplist Karasten, may become the Arishok. Can the peasent become a noble? Can the "voter" enter the inner realms of power and be a leader on his own? Can the servent in a house of Tevinter become equal to his master? Can even the simpliest of the Chantry ever have a family?[/quote]
Is it possible, yes. Is it likely, no. The same is more or less true for your system.
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote...
The Qunari take in all,[/quote]
However, you also take in the worst of all, who feed like leeches on the strong.
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote...
, we are not a racial empire, [/quote]
So why do we never see of an elven Ashaad? or a Human Sten?
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote..
nor are we as brutal as the bas claim.[/quote]
You use a gas that turns people insane, you offer no mercy to those who don't follow your Qun or want to leave, and don't even get me started on how you treat mages. I am by no means saying you shouldn't do these things i'm just saying these acts are extremely brutal.
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote...
Those are the messages of fear to keep control. An Elf is as Qunari as any pure born Qunari.[/quote]
Then why is the Arishok disgusted when he hears an elf recite the Qun?
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote..
The Qun defines us, and we are open to advancement and change[/quote]
You're lack of skilled mages is why the new exalted marches were so successful. However I don't see you changing your views or methods with magic any time soon.
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote..
Anaam esaam Qun. [/quote]
Sic Semper Tyrannis
It is as Blothulfur says. No single will drives the fallowers of the Qun minus the teachings.[/quote]
The teachings of the Qun were written by Ashkaari Koslun, therefore couldn't one assume it is his will that drives the Qunari people?
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote...
And is it truely slavery to serve willingly, with advancement to those who deserve it?[/quote]
No, actually it's called dellusion. No sane person serves willingly, not even the apprentices of Tevinter Magisters. When you serve someone you do it because you require something from someone. What it is is unimportant. maybe you desire currency, sustenance, or the chance to not being beaten or killed. However if you could attain it without serving a master, you would.
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote...
And how is that decided? By those above you, and the collective will of the Qun.[/quote]
But this begs the question. Why? Why should any member of the Qun give any effort if all he recieves in the end is a fancier name?
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote...
And as you pointed out with being "Happy" I'm sure the Magisters are tingling with insane laughter each time a family is sacrificed, or a fire ball is thrown.[/quote]
The Qun demands that the Beresaad spill their blood and the blood of others. The magisters do pretty much the same thing.
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote...
There is only trickery in this, only purpose that is not clear, or though out, and the banishment of honor. The Qun offers unity,contentment, and a chance for even the lowest farmer, to become the greatest, the simplist Karasten, may become the Arishok. Can the peasent become a noble? Can the "voter" enter the inner realms of power and be a leader on his own? Can the servent in a house of Tevinter become equal to his master? Can even the simpliest of the Chantry ever have a family?[/quote]
Is it possible, yes. Is it likely, no. The same is more or less true for your system.
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote...
The Qunari take in all,[/quote]
However, you also take in the worst of all, who feed like leeches on the strong.
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote...
, we are not a racial empire, [/quote]
So why do we never see of an elven Ashaad? or a Human Sten?
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote..
nor are we as brutal as the bas claim.[/quote]
You use a gas that turns people insane, you offer no mercy to those who don't follow your Qun or want to leave, and don't even get me started on how you treat mages. I am by no means saying you shouldn't do these things i'm just saying these acts are extremely brutal.
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote...
Those are the messages of fear to keep control. An Elf is as Qunari as any pure born Qunari.[/quote]
Then why is the Arishok disgusted when he hears an elf recite the Qun?
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote..
The Qun defines us, and we are open to advancement and change[/quote]
You're lack of skilled mages is why the new exalted marches were so successful. However I don't see you changing your views or methods with magic any time soon.
[quote]KenKenpachi wrote..
Anaam esaam Qun. [/quote]
Sic Semper Tyrannis
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The Arishok is surprised when he hears the Qun from an elf, not disgusted. He even says he has a growing lack of disgust for Fenris after he hears it. At the end of the conversation he eventually tells Hawke he or she "keeps good company".
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trobbins777 wrote...
The teachings of the Qun were written by Ashkaari Koslun, therefore couldn't one assume it is his will that drives the Qunari people?
Other than the fact that Koslun is most likely dead, that could be said about any major religion. Andraste wrote the Chant of Light, and the Chantry preaches that by following her teachings people will find happiness at the Maker's side in the afterlife. Could it not be said then that by following the Chantry, people are following Andraste's will?
But this begs the question. Why? Why should any member of the Qun give any effort if all he recieves in the end is a fancier name?
Why would any artisan want to get better at their craft? They do it for themselves. In the Qun's case though, they promote bettering oneselves to better the Qun.
The Qun demands that the Beresaad spill their blood and the blood of others. The magisters do pretty much the same thing.
When has a warrior or someone in the military NOT been asked to spill their blood and the blood of others? The magisters do it for their own enjoyment and selfish grabs for power.
However, you also take in the worst of all, who feed like leeches on the strong.
Conpared to the other societies where the Kings/Queen and nobles leech off the weak peasants? Which, by far, is alot worse than a handfull of bad apples leeching off the strong...
So why do we never see of an elven Ashaad? or a Human Sten?
Why would one pick up a dull sword to defend one's lands, when one of the finest quality is at hand? The Kossith are one of the (if not THE) strongest race in Thedas, so the obviously make the best warriors to make an army out of. While i'm sure we will see a more diverse Qun in later games, we have only seen a very very small portion of their military (Sten and the Arishok's personal forces/guard). For all we know the Qun have a legion of elvaan archers and human pikemen back home.
You use a gas that turns people insane, you offer no mercy to those who don't follow your Qun or want to leave, and don't even get me started on how you treat mages. I am by no means saying you shouldn't do these things i'm just saying these acts are extremely brutal.
While i admit the gas is brutal, is it any worse that when the Chantry calls upon the Circles to use magic? Getting roasted alive, shocked to death, life getting sucked out by a death cloud, and getting frozen soild don't sound like fun ways to die either. But death is still death, i'd imagine getting cut open by a sword and left to die bleeding on the battlefield isn't very nice either, or an arrow to the lung and you die choking on your own blood.
And the Qun aren't the only ones showing no mercy for those who aren't their own. The Chantry didn't show much mercy to the Dalish or the Qun during their Exalted Marches. The Dalish had to become nomads to just preserve their way of life, and in Kirkwall after the Chantry drove out the Qunari; they made "relearning camps" to reteach the converts their about the Chantry. That sounds alot like what the Qunari do now that i think about it...
Then why is the Arishok disgusted when he hears an elf recite the Qun?
He wasn't. He was disguested with the city, and he was just surprised that an elf spoke the Qun.
You're lack of skilled mages is why the new exalted marches were so successful. However I don't see you changing your views or methods with magic any time soon.
Actually they seem to have advanced their use and power of mages after the Exalted March. It showed them that magic can be a useful tool in advancing the Qun, so they capitalized on it. If that single mage taking down Hawke's party was anything to go by, they succeeded.
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Posté 13 juillet 2012 - 11:28
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The qun are collectivily in power now,we will set this world free
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Posté 14 juillet 2012 - 10:20
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Tigerblood and MilkShakes wrote...
The qun are collectivily in power now,we will set this world free
The Qunari will never rise to power above Thedas. Especially if they think they are the Qun itself.
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Posté 18 juillet 2012 - 06:04
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This is a false either/or. The mage rebellion is not bad just because there are other people who are also living in slavery. That just means the other slaves should also rebel.
The peasants should join the mages and together overthrow the entire religion backed monarchy system and install a proper democracy.
The Qun does not represent freedom in any way shape or form. Having your life decided for you as a child is not freedom. Being killed for refusing to perform your role is not freedom. Being brainwashed from birth to consider this situation to actually be freedom is what makes the Qun really really scary to me.
The peasants should join the mages and together overthrow the entire religion backed monarchy system and install a proper democracy.
The Qun does not represent freedom in any way shape or form. Having your life decided for you as a child is not freedom. Being killed for refusing to perform your role is not freedom. Being brainwashed from birth to consider this situation to actually be freedom is what makes the Qun really really scary to me.
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Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 03:37
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CrimsonZephyr wrote...
Oh boy, this thread again...
Could be worse. That verbose mud-slinger contest known as "Anders is the same as Meredith".
