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[vallore]

If DA3 elves are to look as (bad) as those of DA2 then – please –don’t bring back the Warden, even for a brief cameo, seriously.

Personally, the last thing I would like to see is my favorite warden, an elf, morphed into one of those unfortunate misshapen creatures by the game engine, without even the benefit of very comprehensive tweaks done by an artist to bring it into acceptable levels.

[The Big Nothing]

I like every cosmetic change save for the hurlocks - they look like lipless albinos.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 27 septembre 2011 - 07:07 .

[Gabey5]

Saberchic wrote...

Wow. Just saw this thread. I gotta say, OP, that if you really want to debate it fairly, you would include Merrill from DAO and DA2 as the comparison and not some other elf.

That's really the only fair way to debate the changes--you look at the same person and examine the differences. Otherwise, it just seems that you are trying to manipulate the outcome--trying to get a desired consensus.

Merril looks like none of the elves in the game. She is the most human looking  elf.

Modifié par Gabey5, 20 octobre 2011 - 03:35 .

[TEWR]

Gabey5 wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Wow. Just saw this thread. I gotta say, OP, that if you really want to debate it fairly, you would include Merrill from DAO and DA2 as the comparison and not some other elf.

That's really the only fair way to debate the changes--you look at the same person and examine the differences. Otherwise, it just seems that you are trying to manipulate the outcome--trying to get a desired consensus.

Merril looks like none of the elves in the game. She is the most human looking  elf.

bull****. She has all of the features the DAII elves have. She has the eyes, ears, facial structure, thin body, and everything else that the new elves have.

Sometimes I think people either really dislike the new look of the elves and will say anything so they can get their precious "humans with pointy ears" back, or they just really enjoy posting for the sake of posting instead of actually using facts to support their argument.

...and yes, I think that sometimes I fall into the latter category.

I mean seriously, would people have thrown this much of a ****storm if Bioware made the Elves in DAO look like this?

[Vlad_Dracul]

I doubt that. BUT they must look pretty! Like Merrill, Athenril...Tallis. Orsino and Fenris. And NOT like Huon or other common elves in DA2.

[Vicious]

Sometimes I think people either really dislike the new look of the elves and will say anything so they can get their precious "humans with pointy ears" back, or they just really enjoy posting for the sake of posting instead of actually using facts to support their argument.

What he said.

I say keep them. They look a little more alien and unique. A couple poorly rendered ones does not suddenly mean the whole idea sucks. After all, almost all the non plot-related humans are poorly rendered and look awful too

Modifié par Vicious, 20 octobre 2011 - 04:43 .

[Gabey5]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Wow. Just saw this thread. I gotta say, OP, that if you really want to debate it fairly, you would include Merrill from DAO and DA2 as the comparison and not some other elf.

That's really the only fair way to debate the changes--you look at the same person and examine the differences. Otherwise, it just seems that you are trying to manipulate the outcome--trying to get a desired consensus.

Merril looks like none of the elves in the game. She is the most human looking  elf.

bull****. She has all of the features the DAII elves have. She has the eyes, ears, facial structure, thin body, and everything else that the new elves have.

Sometimes I think people either really dislike the new look of the elves and will say anything so they can get their precious "humans with pointy ears" back, or they just really enjoy posting for the sake of posting instead of actually using facts to support their argument.

...and yes, I think that sometimes I fall into the latter category.

I mean seriously, would people have thrown this much of a ****storm if Bioware made the Elves in DAO look like this?

perhaps change back is not the right word, but change them nonethless. The elves bodies look disproportioned. They have massive bobble head and a  body that is too thin. Merril does not have this look as she is more of a proportioned and thus looks different from other elves.

[Vicious]

. Merril does not have this look as she is more of a proportioned and thus looks different from other elves.

This probably has more to do with the fact that she is a party member and DA2 was a rush job.

If all Elves were as well proportioned as her, would you keep them as-is?

I'd bet a lot would say no. Gotta have that 'humans with pointy ears' thing back.

[Gabey5]

Vicious wrote...

. Merril does not have this look as she is more of a proportioned and thus looks different from other elves.

This probably has more to do with the fact that she is a party member and DA2 was a rush job.

If all Elves were as well proportioned as her, would you keep them as-is?

I'd bet a lot would say no. Gotta have that 'humans with pointy ears' thing back.

You are being quite dismissive. Not everyone who had issues with the da2 elves appearance want " humans with pointy ears".

read this thread completely for one

[Vicious]

You didn't answer my question.

[ReallyRue]

I like how most of the DA2 elves look - Merrill, Fenris, Tallis, Orsino, Jethann, Athenril, Varania, the elf woman on Zevran's quest, the elf woman in the encounter with the former werewolf. I'm probably missing some.

Sure, some of them looked terrible (poor Zevran), but the same is true of NPCs in general.

[Gabey5]

If all Elves were as well proportioned as her, would you keep them as-is?

Yes i would be fine with that.i have no problem with bioware wanting to make their elves more distinct and recognizable.

[Everwarden]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I mean seriously, would people have thrown this much of a ****storm if Bioware made the Elves in DAO look like this?

Yes. The problem isn't that they're different. The problem is that they're ugly. 

Though the ugliness of Dragon Age 2 elves might be more due to the rushed development than the intent of the style. Merrill, who actually got attention, looks fine. Most other elves don't. 

[Satyricon331]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
bull****. She has all of the features the DAII elves have. She has the eyes, ears, facial structure, thin body, and everything else that the new elves have.

Sometimes I think people either really dislike the new look of the elves and will say anything so they can get their precious "humans with pointy ears" back, or they just really enjoy posting for the sake of posting instead of actually using facts to support their argument.

...and yes, I think that sometimes I fall into the latter category.

I mean seriously, would people have thrown this much of a ****storm if Bioware made the Elves in DAO look like this?

Saying she has all the DA2-elf features in no way contradicts the claim she is among the most human-looking of the elves.  I'm one of the people who in the past has said her face at least is atypically human-looking, and you're wildly off the mark to say I will just say anything or I just post for the sake of posting.  

[Kye92]

I like it the way it is in DA2, I prefer to have them look differant to humans. Plus Merrill's too cute to change.

[TEWR]

Satyricon331 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
bull****. She has all of the features the DAII elves have. She has the eyes, ears, facial structure, thin body, and everything else that the new elves have.

Sometimes I think people either really dislike the new look of the elves and will say anything so they can get their precious "humans with pointy ears" back, or they just really enjoy posting for the sake of posting instead of actually using facts to support their argument.

...and yes, I think that sometimes I fall into the latter category.

I mean seriously, would people have thrown this much of a ****storm if Bioware made the Elves in DAO look like this?

Saying she has all the DA2-elf features in no way contradicts the claim she is among the most human-looking of the elves.  I'm one of the people who in the past has said her face at least is atypically human-looking, and you're wildly off the mark to say I will just say anything or I just post for the sake of posting.  

But what makes something human-looking? We all know that the elves are classed as humanoids, but what specifically makes a DAII elf the most "human-looking" of the bunch?

You can claim it's so, but as with all things without specific details to talk about it's a claim and nothing more.

A true human-looking elf is Feynriel, and he isn't actually an elf!

Everwarden wrote...

Yes. The problem isn't that they're different. The problem is that they're ugly. 

Though
the ugliness of Dragon Age 2 elves might be more due to the rushed
development than the intent of the style. Merrill, who actually got
attention, looks fine. Most other elves don't.

Those are only some. There's also Ineria, Junar, Pol, Zevran (despite not looking as close to his DAO self as he could, he is nevertheless a good looking elf), Sketch, the Elven Fanatic (whom I hate killing ), Fenris, the elven servant in MotA, Tallis, and others.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 20 octobre 2011 - 07:41 .

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Those are only some. There's also Ineria, Junar, Pol, Zevran (despite not looking as close to his DAO self as he could, he is nevertheless a good looking elf), Sketch, the Elven Fanatic (whom I hate killing ), Fenris, the elven servant in MotA, Tallis, and others.

Dragon Age 2 Zevran... is a "good looking" elf? I have to respectfully disagree with you here. His abysmal appearance is why I hope The Warden never returns (considering the Surana protagonist is my canon).

[TobiTobsen]

We should found a DA2 elven appreciation group! Or is there one already? If that's the case, show me the way!

*hugs some DA2 elves* Don't listen to them! You're beautiful, just the way you are!

[Wulfram]

I think Zevran might be OK if he had eyebrows

[Satyricon331]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
But what makes something human-looking? We all know that the elves are classed as humanoids, but what specifically makes a DAII elf the most "human-looking" of the bunch?

You can claim it's so, but as with all things without specific details to talk about it's a claim and nothing more.

Her nose doesn't taper as sharply as average (edit: I'm referring to the downward tapering that's apparent when viewed from the front - obviously from the side the nose still extends outward as it goes down), and there's less nose-forehead integration than average.  Plus, her jaw, like most companions' jaws, has a more typically human shape than most DA2 humans's jaws do, as they're too roundish or ill-defined.  (edit2: Come to notice it, her nose tip doesn't tie downward the way Ilen's, Orsino's, or the kid's nose tips do.)

But really, for our purposes, I don't need to provide specific details.  When you make such an attenuated claim as you did, the burden's on you to provide evidence of my motives or propensities.

Modifié par Satyricon331, 20 octobre 2011 - 08:09 .

[DRTJR]

I LOVE the design of the Elven in DA2 far and away more than the Humanz with pointy ears in DA:O

[OmegaXI]

I imagine the Elves will change to suite the next artistic style of DA3.

[lobi]

What bothers me is that originally someone at Bioware thought humans having sex with elves would be 'awesome' and a fairly common occurrence. Not even Shakespeare was that twisted, although Tolkien may have been but, you can blame a combination of Scandanavian folklore and, the Victorian eroticism of innocence that was still present in intellectual circles when The House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha became the House of Windsor (bloody C.S. Lewis).
My point is too close an association between elves and humans is a bad idea. Even trading with them is asking for trouble, just ask Allison Peirson.

Modifié par lobi, 21 octobre 2011 - 04:39 .